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BBKing

12-12-2009 02:02

Thank you, Tony Blair

...for reminding us why you're a complete untrustworthy b...ard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8408918.stm

frogstamper

12-12-2009 02:14

Re: Thank you, Tony Blair

He was set on the Iraq war come what may, he and that other religious nut in the White House have caused more than enough death and suffering all justified by their own perverted version of faith.
If either of these two warmongers were really that guided by their faith, why didn't they listen to God's supposed representative on Earth...the Pope?
Thank spongebob they are both gone...pompous pratts.

NoKnowledge

12-12-2009 05:53

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925599)

...for reminding us why you're a complete untrustworthy b...ard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8408918.stm

On behalf of Tony Blair and his crew......you are most welcome. :handshake

Sirius

12-12-2009 10:19

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This bit just shows what a liar that man is.

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It would have been "right to remove" Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein even without evidence that he had weapons of mass destruction, Tony Blair has said.

There was no evidence you prat, You lied along with the rest of the members of the Labour party that supported you and because of that some of our young men died. I will never forgive him or his party for that.

Earl of Bronze

12-12-2009 11:41

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I remember watching his speech in parliment back in the day, and knew he was lying as soon as he said WMD's could hit British Targets within 45 mins of Sadam giving the order. I'm also quite sure many other knew he was bullsnotting at the time....

martyh

12-12-2009 13:12

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he's just trying to retrospectively justify his actions now ,one question though ,as a dictator that so desperately needed to be removed from power what about the others ,kim jong il,Mugabe,and many more .Using the logic of "he was a evil dictator who needed to be removed from power" then they would have a pretty long list to work through

BBKing

12-12-2009 13:29

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"he was a evil dictator who needed to be removed from power"

Doesn't look right.

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"he was a evil dictator sitting on a lot of oil who needed to be removed from power"

That's better.

martyh

12-12-2009 13:32

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925708)

Doesn't look right.

That's better.

mmm..so what blair should have admitted to was SELECTIVE removal of despots for the benefit of mankind

BBKing

12-12-2009 13:41

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mmm..so what blair should have admitted to was SELECTIVE removal of despots for the benefit of mankind

'Mankind' being defined as 'BP shareholders'?

martyh

12-12-2009 14:04

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925717)

'Mankind' being defined as 'BP shareholders'?

Thanks for the enlightenment BBKing
i now feel safe and secure in the knowledge that our overlords will lie,cheat ,spin ,send our boys to their deaths and generally fight all things judged to be evil because they have something we need

RizzyKing

12-12-2009 15:09

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We all knew blair was a liar from day one lets be honest the man is as deep as a puddle and was only ever interested in getting into power and then using whatever force he could to enforce his image as a world leader. But lest we forget there was another man intimately involved in all of this and he is our current PM something else for people to remember next time they cast their vote. As far as i am concerned while it's all well and good to lump it all onto blair all the senior labour ministers at the time knew it was a war for oil and only one had the courage of her convictions and resigned and while i don't have a lot of time for clair short on that at least she has some respect from me.

Osem	12-12-2009 15:28

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If Bliar was such a liar (as most of us have suspected for years) what does that say about Brown and all their fellow cronies who did nothing about it?

Bricktop

12-12-2009 17:35

Re: Thank you, Tony Blair

I would like Gordon Brown removed because I feel its the right thing to do.

papa smurf

12-12-2009 18:07

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Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 34925835)

I would like Gordon Brown removed because I feel its the right thing to do.

like the rest of us you will have to wait for the election ,only honorable men fall on theire own sword .

BBKing

12-12-2009 19:31

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I would like Gordon Brown removed because I feel its the right thing to do.

And replaced by someone who didn't vote for the invasion of Iraq? That rules out:

David Cameron (Leader of the Opposition)
George Osborne (Shadow Chancellor)
Dominic Grieve (Shadow Home Secretary)
William Hague (Shadow Foreign Secretary) *
Liam Fox (Shadow Defence Secretary, and if anything a harder neo-con than Blair ever was) **

[plus most (all?) of the Opposition Front Bench]

Vince Cable for PM, I say.

http://www.holdthemtoaccount.com/who-voted-for-the-war/

* "The Prime Minister has put before the House the right decision. He deserves the support of honourable members in all parts of the House."

** "When we believe something is the right thing to do, as we did in the case of Iraq, we give the Government our full support"

Sirius

12-12-2009 20:11

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925944)

Vince Cable for PM, I say.

BBKing

Cracking joke :tu:

TheNorm

12-12-2009 20:47

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925717)

'Mankind' being defined as 'BP shareholders'?

Close...

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Shell and Petronas win rights to develop vast Iraq oilfield

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-auction-shell

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925944)

And replaced by someone who didn't vote for the invasion of Iraq? ...

Yes, but... maybe they didn't think the PM was telling porkies about WMD.

frogstamper

13-12-2009 05:49

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925944)

And if I remember correctly Duncan Smith was as much a cheerleader for the war as any Labour minister, apart from the 100 Labour MP's who rebelled and voted against the war there was only a handful of Tories who followed suit.
Having said that I blame the Labour yes men as weak and the Tory yes men as voting in favour mainly to preserve the ridiculous "special relationship". Neither of our two main parties come out of this well.

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Originally Posted by Rizzy

only one had the courage of her convictions and resigned and while i don't have a lot of time for clair short on that at least she has some respect from me.

She only resigned when it eventually suited her, if you remember he talked her out of it initially.
The only real moral Labour front bencher was the late Robin Cook, I defy anybody to claim otherwise. IMO he was one of a very small number to come out of the entire fiasco with any credibility.

RizzyKing

13-12-2009 14:51

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I wondered how long it would be before someone mentioned the tory's voting for it but if you cast your mind back they were also lied too about the wmd's and stupidly thought like many of us there was something concrete backing that up who knew it was a complete load of made up rubbish. Labour lied, labour took us into iraq knowing they were lying and labour are the one's who should pay for it and not just tony blair much as i loathe the man but all the senior figures that knew it was a lie and that still includes a few senior labour people now.

But please don't allow any facts to prevent some tory bashing i know how some love it so much :).

injuneer

14-12-2009 14:52

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34925944)

Vince Cable for PM, I say.

Quite agree. He's the only one that talks any sense about the economy & would make an excellent chancellor. But inevitably we'll vote in the Tories for another few years of torture. We love 2 party politics.

Tezcatlipoca

14-12-2009 16:32

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" 'Sycophant' Tony Blair used deceit to justify Iraq war, says former DPP "

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Originally Posted by The Grauniad

Sir Ken Macdonald, director of public prosecutions between 2003 and 2008, says Blair misled and cajoled the British people into a war they didn't want

Andrew Sparrow, senior political correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Monday 14 December 2009 09.22 GMT

Tony Blair used "deceit" to persuade parliament and the British people to support war in Iraq, Sir Ken Macdonald, the former director of public prosecutions, said today.

In an article in the Times, Macdonald attacked Blair for engaging in "alarming subterfuge", for displaying "sycophancy" towards George Bush and for refusing to accept that his decisions were wrong.

Macdonald's comments about Blair's decision to go to war are more critical than anything that has been said so far by any of the senior civil servants who worked in Whitehall when Blair was prime minister.

Macdonald was DPP from 2003 until 2008 and he now practises law from Matrix Chambers, where Blair's barrister wife, Cherie, is also based.

In his article Macdonald highlighted a remark Blair made in an interview broadcast yesterday about supporting the overthrow of Saddam Hussein regardless of whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction to explain why he thought the former prime minister was guilty of deceit.

(snip)

Welshchris

14-12-2009 17:00

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Bring back Maggie thatcher, she will sort the government out lol

Swinging her handbag in the house of commons will soon get everyone in shape!

Hugh	14-12-2009 17:03

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo!

(and I'm a Tory)

papa smurf

14-12-2009 17:31

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34927140)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo!

(and I'm a Tory)

lapsed ?
or liberal leftie tory ?
bet you wouldn't dare say no to her thaterships face ;)

Hugh	14-12-2009 20:47

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TRG wet (economically sound, philosophically liberal (not libertarian), personal liberties liberal) Tory - and I had lunch with Her Madgesty 3 times..........

frogstamper

16-12-2009 05:28

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34926399)

Come on Rizzy the poor old Tories are not that dumb:), while I've no doubt at all Blair over sold the entire case for war, IDS was privy to and saw intelligent files concerning Saddam's supposed WMD.
He was as eager as Blair was for the war, I'm not in anyway shifting blame from the Labour front-bench for their glorifying the case for war, but to say the Tories were misled on mass is fantasy.

RizzyKing

16-12-2009 16:52

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Froggie it wasn't hard to sell the wmd thing as the fact is both the UK and the US supplied saddam with the parts to make them so he did have them it is just a question of where they went. As for what files others then the labour high ranking saw we will never know as i know from my experience such files get changed depending on who is reading them in terms of what is left in and what is left out so what ids might or might not have read is open to question. Remember also that it was part of the old ideology of parliament that no pm would ever out and out lie in the house of commons on something as serious as this and thus would have got and did get a lot of passive support. I don't believe the torys were fully convinced by the evidence because so many weren't but convinced enough to vote for the action yes quite possibly.

TheNorm

19-12-2009 13:26

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34928398)

.... Remember also that it was part of the old ideology of parliament that no pm would ever out and out lie in the house of commons on something as serious as this and thus would have got and did get a lot of passive support. ....

Agreed. If the PM says he is convinced the guy has WMD, and no he can't reveal the source as it would compromise security, you can't blame MPs for voting "aye".

zing_deleted

19-12-2009 13:31

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The war imo made Saddam a martyr they should have done him in the first war( not to me of course)

IMO Blair and Bush are war criminals and should be bought up on charges as such . There were never WMDs it was all a lie and that was unforgivable

Earl of Bronze

19-12-2009 14:40

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34930056)

The war imo made Saddam a martyr they should have done him in the first war

The bottom line with Gulf 1, and the coalition forces not going on and kicking Saddam out of power, was that George Bush Snr. knew that the Arab Nations would not go along with that action. The UN resolutions that allowed the coalition military actions where only to kick the Iraqis back over the boarder and out of Kuwait. Anything beyond that would have been a breech of the UN resolution....

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