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Have virgin started putting the starview boxes down?

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Probably. Hopefully.

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Let's hope so. Merry Christmas, freetards. :D

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And of course not just the StarViews.

Still if you are really looking to buy one, I'd suggest heading off to Leads-I understand there are quite a few coming onto the market now, bargain prices too I believe.

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Your little box wont be working once Virgin change the encryption so try paying for your service like the rest of us.

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Yes indeed. Merry Christmas to the thieving gits who have lost there tv :LOL:

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I'm probably being a bit naive here.... but given that VM don't allow alien equipment on their network, is there a legitimate reason for owning a cable box?

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all my mates doggy boxes and starview boxes are working fine

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Only certain areas are still working, soon the Nagra 3 changeover will kill them all

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Then he WILL be in an area that has not been hit with N3 yet

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Someone's in denial that all this is happening (and no I am not talking about a river in Egypt before anyone asks :D)

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Don't you mean 'kennels'?

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Vm apparently are saying by the end of March that nagra 3 will be in all of uk.

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In which case your thieving freetard 'mate' has three months to consider paying for his telly instead of stealing it.

On the plus side, his doggy (sic) box will make a nice doorstop.

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:clap:

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There are some boxes which apparently wont go of even if nagra 3 comes into effect.;)

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No, there aren't.

ALL boxes will go down unless they're updated for card sharing.

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NO there is not, Trust me who ever told you that is in denial. Nagra 3 has NEVER been broken anywhere in the world at this time.

I will say again

Dream on :)

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And only a few models are capable of being so adapted. Anyhow I'm not sure that card sharing is going to be much of an issue, it's a major pain to set up, if you do set up a server yourself you really have to be paranoid about who you let in-or if you pay some third-party outfit, then you are still paying a subscription of sorts and there is always the very good chance of the server just vanishing into the ether. It's not like you can complain to the police in that case is it?

I just wonder if anyone will be daft enough to set up a CS system using their VM broadband connection!

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Or they have a lock-up full of cable boxes they would really like to get shot of...

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I love card sharing, mainly as it needs a fully paid up account to do it and as soon as the card files get posted VM then shuts the whole account down and bans the account holder for life :D

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No card files are ever posted, CS works purely by sharing control words in a peer to peer fashion. However, servers doing the sharing are easily traced - even easier for VM since the sharer will almost certainly be using their network and it would probably be killing two birds with one stone if it did the required investigation, knocking off the CS server and a cloned modem.

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Trust me, someone somewhere takes the info and thinks it's smart to post online.. Whether it be the daily key or the card share server IP

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Yes, CS tends to be carried out in closed circles for those reasons. Software would still require VM specific modifications , since it isn't vanilla N3, even then the most commonly available VM boxes wouldn't work with it - only 3rd party receivers. It really would be too risky and too much effort to use CS with VM but over time it might happen and VM need to be pro-active in investigating and prosecuting should that need arise.

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Yes i too heard of this box its made in pakistan in a city called Faisalabad

To hack N3 you need 2 people

A hacker to hack it then a another hacker to decode the layers info that is protecting the card. Then you get people saying its early days at moment for it to be hacked.USA and Spain ect had 2years to crack it

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Great news the freeloaders will have useless set top boxes shortly.;)

My bill is usually £100 per month and would hate to think that people can access all channels for nothing

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all great news

but its only a matter of time b4 they get boxes back up and running

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How much time, do you suppose? As has already been stated, N3 has been in the wild for about 2 years now, and nobody has cracked it yet. If I were freetard ****, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a quick fix.

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N3 may be broken eventually however its going to be a long time before that happens, They claimed they would have it back up and working within weeks when Ireland changed to it and they have not succeeded yet :tu:.

Plus this is just the first move before they move to iptv according to some. That will make it even harder to hack. All in all the thieving gits have lost as can be seen by the desperate posts on there forums about using Satellite instead :LOL:

To quote a post on one of those forums when asked what there options are now they cannot steal cable

All in all well done Virgin.

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Bless em eh dude lol :)

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The same with D+ and that changed Dec 2007 ;) and there's a lot more sat users than cable

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you really think that the people that setup IKS are stupid there severs are rerouted via multiple proxys also if there using a cloned modem they will more than likly have it setup to change the Mac every few hours

most IKS are setup by the STB manufacturers so they can still sell thier inferior products


also no coders said that N3 would be cracked two weeks after ireland got hit (well no well know coders) a few coders have said it will be cracked after N3 is fully rolled out (but i cant see it myself) i work in a tech roll and have seen N3 in action and the control the provider (in this case VM) has over it is amazing

unfortunately there will always be freeloaders but one good thing does come from it all, they push the security industry forward

personally if i was VM i would of gone for IPTV but then they do have to deal with DOS attacks as i belive its still vulnerable to this type of attack

also with new IKS systems poping up all over it will give VM a chance to put its deep packet inspection system to the test unless the operators of the IKS systems work out how to add better encryption and extra info into the header of the keyfiles but it will be intresting from a security point of view to see how VM will tackle the out of control freeloader problem but it will always be a case of cat and mouse

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IKS with N3 on cable is an unknown. Read some of the other forums and you will see as yet it has not been done in the uk. Personally because of what i learned it will be interesting to see if they can circumnavigate the system that has been put in place to deal with IKS and hacking of the N3 card.

IPTV for cable is on the horizon and being worked on as we post.

Lets see what has happened by summer shall we :LOL:

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It's not exactly unknown, the hardware will be exactly the same as N2 IKS it just needs the key/cardserver and emu relevant to N3 (either internal emu on the linux boxes or hardware cards connected to a PC based emu, this happened on the sats within a month of the major operators (D+, etc..) changing over to N3.

That's the thing with key/card sharing the encryption isn't broken.. The only good thing is that the sharing is small groups and no-where near the amount of users with broken encryption..

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However there is a added problem for them with N3 which i am not going to post here but at the moment a key part of what they need to be able to do to allow IKS is not available to them which was when they broke N2 . ;)

And here is a quote from a well known forum

:LOL:

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Admin edit (Chris): Please don't quote the hax0r5, it just causes us work having to delete it twice.

So why then are they not able to do it in Ireland its almost the same system ?

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EDITED Sorry the warning was posted as i was typing so didnt see it untill it was too late

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... and you're lucky I'm an even handed sort who waited to give you a chance to read the warning and think again about your post. ;)

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thanks

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Thats why i never post how they do it. :) I cannot stand them stealing as much as the next man.