Lesbians raped "to correct them"
 

http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Hom...Correct_Them__

Will SA ever enter the 20th century?

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No words, I'm just going to shake my head.

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You're talking very much about a two tier country.. You have on one hand the people who have actually managed to get an education and on the other side the rest..

The "rest" believe in old style cultural methods and unfortunately this is one of them..

When we lived there the live-in house girl would put her bed up on bricks so the evil spirits wouldn't take over her body as she slept...

There are so many other stories I could tell you of what they believe and also the way that the past and current goverments lie to them (for example before the elections in the early nineties a freind who was selling his house was accosted by his gardener as to why he was selling "his" (as in the gardeners) house? It transpired that one of the political parties was going round telling the people in the townships that by voting for them that they would make it legal for them to take possesion of thier employees assets and properties... That party won and unlike the Zimbabwee land grabs nothing ever happened (the goverment isn't that stupid!!!)

That country seriously needs an education system that works and in 20-30 years time that country could be great and probably free from a lot of crime that happens today purely due to cultural issues :(

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So true and the cultural differences are what make it so difficult to get to grips with Africa as a whole..But then the west had a tendency to ignore the way natives lived in Africa and the way they already had well tried governments and tribal boundaries and imposed their own boundaries and laws that had no bearing to the natives.

What could you expect from Victorians who wouldn't even dress for the climate and tried to force the natives to conform to Victorian values.They learned little then and the west still hasn't learned much more...:(

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So people need a formal education in order to tell right from wrong?:shocked::shocked::shocked:

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The problem is educating people wont change their beliefs. As stated in that report one guy stated he appoved it because Lesbians wernt mentioned in the bible.

Being gay myself i have lesbian friends and i think its sickening whats happening but the problem is religion here again and people stand to make a lot of trouble and enemies by questioning peoples religious beliefs as we know from history.

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Maybe..but cultural or native beliefs will take a lot of seismic shifting before they accept the truth.

Think of the 'old wives tales' that the so called educated of this country cling to mixed in with 'new' tales that are the result of poorly read or poorly spread info by word of mouth then add to that the mix of imported 'tales' from abroad.

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The problem is not religion but selective choosing of it. Nowhere does the bible say lesbians should be raped. This sounds more like them having a twisted prejudice and trying to use 'religion' as the excuse to carry out violence. If they didn't have religion they'd just use something else to justify their actions.

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You will probably know better than me Russ but does the bible actually mention lesbians as such?:erm:

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There's no clear reference to lesbians but it's not unheard of to interpret holy texts however they see fit.

This sounds less to me about religion and more about deep-down prejudices.

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Actually it sounds more like the usual ignorances.How many men in this country secretly fantasise that two women having sex will move over and allow a man to show them what they are missing?:erm:

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Nope they need a formal education to tell them that what they find is acceptable isn't acceptable to the rest of the world... (or even thier own laws)

As far as they're concerned by raping a lesbian to cure her they are doing no wrong.. So they are right in their view of thier own actions

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That's the worst kind of mentality - they don't see themselves as the bad guys.

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Yep, it's nothing to do with the bible either...

Although they portray themselves as Christians most of thier beliefs are passed down through the family and witchdoctors and evil spirits are a major part of thier lives, the same goes for cures and acceptable practices... Look at the african leader (can't remember who it was) who stated that he himself could cure aids so none of his people needed to use condoms anymore.. :(

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So the views of their parents and even the rest of the adult population don't have any effect?

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any body else think this very hypocritical ,it seems to me that a section of the society is singling out another section of society simply for being what they are .You would think that the last place this would happen is in SA

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Quite the contary, the parents and surrounding adults believe in this just as much as the people doing the crime..

Stop thinking about it as a single group of people within a country like the UK.. We're all merged into one culture with a few differences like religion, food...etc.. Where in Africa there's still a very large group that practice the old culture and don't try to adapt with laws/practices that they believe don't govern them

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Exactly. So how would a formal education from those same people change anything? The problem is not a lack of a formal education.

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Hmmm, you don't seem to understand the culture over there...

The people doing these crimes simply don't know better as they've been brought up immersed in this culture that's passed down to them, education would break that ignorance (education isn't just about how to write your name and add 1+1... :rolleyes: ) and make them understand that there are laws out there, that what's taught to them by relatives isn't always right..

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Exactly the same as it helped in this country. You introduce the idea to children, and eventually, they introduce it to their children. It happens slowly (over a few generations), but it does happen. Take, for example, colour in this country.

Most people (the BNP notwithstanding) are generally not bothered about other colours or races. Yet 40 years ago, they may well have attacked someone because they though other races were evil. Why is this? Part of the reason is that for the last few years (particularly the last 20), we have been taught to accept other colours.

It also worth remembering that people (as a group) tend to be frightened of what they don't know about, and they attack out of fear.

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I think Kymmy's right,during aparthied these people were denied education because they were black and ,possibly even encouraged towards these beliefs as a way to confirm them being inferior to whites

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I'm gobsmacked at the total and utter nonsense being spouted here. These types of views existed long before apartheid and in areas without apartheid, and don't necessarily exist in parts of the world without any formal(ie western) education, and even still exist in some areas where there is formal education.

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That is what people are saying, the legacy of apartheid is partly responsible. That a system exists where there are the educated and the ill-educated.

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yes these views did exist before apartheid ,they were also kept in place by apartheid ,it could take generations for any kind of change in belief to happen .It has to be remembered that during apartheid SA was ostracised by the western world, as a result the black population didn't have the benefit of mixing with other cultures as freely as the others ,so became entrenched in a belief system handed down from colonial days ,this is were modern education will benefit ,it will teach them that this kind of behaviour is no longer accepted in modern society around the world

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IIRC under apartheid they did have the option of education, but chose not to go.

BTW how can something be considered a limited view of the world, when I have been making comparisons with behaviour worldwide?

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WHAT???

Under apartheid the education system was based in the homelands of the various classes of people.. As most were illegally in townships or there legally for work then what hope could they get an education and afford to live????

Sorry but do you have any understanding of the issues in SA at that time and the constraints put on the majority of the population?? Either live in your "homeland" and have no work and starve or go live in the cities but only illegally with your family or legal on your own if you have work....

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IIRC there were news reports of boycotting of schools.

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that would be a protest against black/white only schools.This was the type of education they were allowed to have

this article was the first hit on google and reading it ,it is no wonder that black people in SA have problems now

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Yes, and I never said they didn't have access to schools (or some of them as hundreds of pupils to one qualified teacher isn't really access)

If you do read though what I typed previously is that the townships didn't have official schools (there was no need for them as the population were a workforce)

Sorry Nomadking but if you're getting your info from the news and only the news then you have a lot to learn..

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My partner had to go to school in Zimbabwe, I believe this was not uncommon amongst black families that could afford an education for their children. Although I get the impression that families that could afford this were in a minority.

Strange now to think that Zimbabwe was a better place to send your kids in the 70s and 80s.

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Yep, I did some of my schooling over in South Africa in the late 70's and the standard there compared to when I went to school here was measurably higher

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I understand that exams in some schools there were to Oxford or Cambridge standard. (Accredited)

Although I guess it was a very small minority of black people who received such education.

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Off-topic but the schooling system takes you directly to university (no colleges as in the UK)

During apartheid the only non-white schools were in none-white areas designated as homelands. A homeland is where if we take the Zulu for example the Zulu's had to live if they served no purpose for the white population. Only if you had a job did you have an excuse to stay in a white area.. Obviously very few children were deemed as workforce so as far as the goverment were concerned no schools were needed outside of the homelands as few children were official outside of them areas :(

As I've said from very early on in this thread an education in general would stop the archaic viewpoints that a lot of the poorest sectors of the population have in SA. Schools were promised before the post apartheid elections but few new ones were built and as the education system over there isn't always free it means less and less places for those desperately in need.. :(