It's official 'virgin Media' have won the war againts piracy.......but for how long?
 

well boys & girls,

Virgin media have finally won the war againts piracy on the usage of illegal set top boxes. By easter next year VM would have rolled out their new encyption system 'nagra 3' which in effect will make all those illegal stb out their useless. In Leeds nagra 3 has already been rolled out which was technically a test area for vermin to test out their latest encryption. Well the good news is that this will stop the pirates of obtaining channels without subscription but the bad news is that who will pick up the tab for 'vermin' new encryption system... yes the thats right the paying customers. Ok once the new encryption system lands what other options do the pirates have in receiving free tv.......the answer is 'cardshare' not with cable but with sky, i will say no more.



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Roll Out of Nagra3 by VM
The long awaited roll out of Nagra 3 by V88g8n Media to encrypt their cable services has begun, with Leeds being the first area of the UK to be upgraded to the new system.

According to unconfirmed reports, it will be rolled out across the South of England over January, the Midlands by February, and the North West of England by March. By Easter, all of V88g8n Media’s cable services should be running with Nagra 3 encryption.

This will make it virtually impossible for anyone to view premium cable channels broadcast by V88g8n Media except by legitimate paid subscribers, resulting in a serious blow to existing cable pirates.

The news has long been expected, after Nagra 3 was rolled out in the Republic of Ireland earlier this year, and hardware upgrades to allow for it to be rolled out in the UK have been sent out through 2009.

While cable pirates will no doubt be disappointed that their favourite premium cable channels will no longer be available for free, V88g8n are offering two months free upgrade on their TV services to new and existing customers.

If cable services are no longer wanted, then Sky has been providing special offers on Sky + and Sky HD for the Christmas season to bring in subscribers to premium channels.

Of course, there are also options to use Freeview, Freesat, or even use satellite equipment to explore the range of Free To Air (FTA) channels, which do not require subscription services.

In the meantime, when approached by Techwatch for comment, a V88g8n Media spokesperson replied “We do not comment on security issues.�

Source: Techwatch
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Re: It's official 'virgin Media' have won the war againts piracy.......but for how lo
 

Don't think a new thread is needed. There are two others where this is being discussed

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...ous-dodgy.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l-changes.html

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Cardshare?
Can you explain Funcard?
I was of the opinion that my sky card can only be used to receive channels on my sky box, ie specific to my box ?

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I doubt Cardsharing is going to be allowed to be discussed here

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Got it:

"Is Nagravision 3 hacked?

YES, but not fully. Some boxes are able to view some channels encrypted using Nagravision 3 through a technique called "card sharing" whereby the encryption status of an existing paid subscriber card is disseminated to other receivers through the use of a networked connection. Many hackers in the underground FTA testing community are working hard to further crack this security implementation as they have done in the recent past with Nagravision 2. Current underground projects are limited to channels which can be subscribed to. Channels that are not available for subscription such as Special Events and Pay-Per-View programming have so far remained unavailable.

[mod:Paragraph removed, if you wish to reinstate then please remove all links and references to products used for illagal activity]

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Yes its good news, About time the thieves lost there service :clap:

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What's the problem Ben if Nagra 3 is supposed to be watertight?;)

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The hackers will always find a way Sirius.
Buying dodgy boxes/cards is no different to buying a shirt from some guy who pops into your local one saturday afternoon asking for a few quid for a mcdonalds.

Re: It's official 'virgin Media' have won the war against piracy.......but for how lo
 

However they have not found a way yet and the box sellers know that.

The price of the so called free to air boxes have plummeted and the traders who have imported them are not to happy at losing there money :LOL:.

When you look on the other forums you can quickly work out by there denial of anything N3 who the traders are :LOL:

The rumors are by the way is that Skys card swap is being done to prevent or stop card sharing.

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Reason why we can't discuss CS here is that it can be used to obtain tv channels illegally.

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Ok, so it is a commercial decision?
Was it ever discovered which mobile phone companies bought confidential information from an ex-employee of another mobile phone provider?

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What has the mobile thing got to do with Virgin TV?

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Ofcourse Ben :erm:
Unless we want to change the topic title to " Alleged Illegal Activities ";)

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You do know there is already a thread about the mobile DPA breach? So if you want to discuss it, maybe you should post on that

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So quoting that it might have been hacked is against tc? as long as the original link to wher ethe information isnt there what harm would it do? jsut wonder, oh and if wha ti have bene reading is correct nagra 3 might be cracked before the end of the year

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What you're reading isn't correct.

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I broke Nagra 3. Hammer and chisel on the smart card, that sorted it.

On a more serious note Nagra 3 has stood up for a while now, in numerous countries. Nagra 1 and 2 were broken elsewhere, these same places haven't managed it with Nagra 3 as yet. There is absolutely no reason at all to think that we in the UK are magically gifted or skilled and will be able to bring down Nagra 3 in weeks when they couldn't given years. Why do you think the dodgy box manufacturers and sellers here are 'diversifying' into Freesat ;)

Quote from someone with a clue:

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My sincere apologies Mr Ben, :erm: I thought the discussion was about " Illegal Activities "
We cannot pick and choose what is Illegal and what is not if it is Illegal, can we? ;)

Re: It's official 'virgin Media' have won the war againts piracy.......but for how lo
 

Personally i think you were just spoiling for a fight.

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There is a way round it. I know some guy called Richard, bung him £40 or £50 a month and he'll give you whatever channels you want.

Even got his own website, if you want the details.

:D:D

JJ

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The Vauxhall Astra Nagra Mark III isn't so easy to steal though;):D

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Well I am glad the updated cards are going to be sorting out the boxes, just wish they could do the same with the modems.

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With a bit of luck more people will start paying for their channels so the cost of all this wont be passed on to the customers........................there again it might still be :(

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By Easter next year we'll all be watching iPlayer and You tube TV channels on our broadband connections and dropping our TV packages.

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Yes well this would need Motorola to learn the difference between anus and elbow and Ubee to ensure their stuff behaves.

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Won the war against piracy? Nope, NTL lost the war...

In a different way....

You get a "WD TV live" and you have all movies you want. Why pay Virgin? And you have blue ray-HD quality, max it out during the night. Virgin ain't offering that. Oooops, yes they do, free via newsgroups.... Just choose every evening the movies you fancy, let them download during the night.... No need for giganews or astronews whatever ...

Sorry off topic but its the right direction for piracy ;)

The only cost is 10TB of hard disk to store all those 20G blue ray movies....

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Marvellous..have you any other amazing revelations because up till now none of us knew about this. Can you tell me which newsgroup carries all the content of every channel I want to watch with unlimited retention? What? there isn't one..well I guess I'll just have to use that new fangled TV thing.

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firstly it aint aboutthat type of piracy as that does nto affect virign mmoney. it about pirate who steal the tv and broadband for nothing that are getting cut off soon

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I can say from my own personal knowledge, that the title of the topic is indeed more correct than many realise, the average joe who has a chipped box, will have a nice Freeviewbox sometime during the next 10months.
the traders some whom have paid for there 5 bedroom houses dealing in boxes and so forth (yes i'm being serious) will or have already moved on to other ways to make money.
Quite a few Virgin employees will loose that extra work and money aswell...

Cardsharing... well thats been about for awhile, its like that one girl who would never her let you fuk her, its invite only and a very exclusive club, 90% aint never gonna get an invite.

Virgin will realise how well they have done by the end of next year, when they measure how many new customers they have gotten and how many sky has gotten in the year, i bet atleast 75% will be ex chipped boxes average joes.

Although it may end up costing virgin more in the long run, many average joes and some higher up the food chain, had a real subbed box to mask the chipped box, i have personally been in a house doing a network install, The guy had an 8 point splitter for ntl boxes, i did drop the famous " oh your one of them flashing ntl box owners " line to get him talking, turned out the guys brother worked for ntl at the time, he was one of those who couldn't help but talk, seemed very proud of his work!... he said it was very common for houses to have more than 1 box, most had them throughout the house, told me about a landlord who owned houses/flats in derby and notts who had ntl TV, internet in every house he owned, each bedsit/flat had its own TV and Internet! of course all dodgey! use to charge £50 extra a month for the service!
my point being, all these people are going to have to get a tv package from somewhere, now thats a **** load of new punters for sky and virgin to fit over, i wonder whos gonna take the lions share.

like all dodgey and freebies in life, its been a rollercoaster ride, its highs and lows for both sides, for virgin its cost lots of lost profits and new investment for equipment, for the other side, well some just get a blank screen some time over the next year, others well they may get couple of hours of TV time a week if the guards let them, and of course the bigger fish, always have worry about that one angry punter whos decided the £150 he paid for his new door stop, needs handing over to the police with a name and address, and of course under the new proceeds of crime act its a whole new Rollercoaster ride for them.

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good post :tu:

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I read a little about this on another forum. There seems to be many people who have, & pay for, legal broadband, then use illegal boxes. Isn't there a case that if these clone type boxes do fail, punters will opt for a cheaper broadband service? Therefore Virgin will loose revenue?

Peeps throughout the forums say the sky box is much better than the Virgin box, & if push comes to shove, they will switch suppliers.

It is distasteful to think my subscription for services is subsidising illegal boxes, but if revenue falls, will Virgin hike the prices.

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Good point.

But at the same time it does free up space in the cabinets for new paying customers.

They might lose the thieves but over time they will hopefully get new customers, We can only hope.

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one word..... TIVO ;)

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I`ve just read a bit about TIVO. I would think Virgin will put some kind of blocking software on it rather than loose customers wouldn't they.

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I think what he means is the new iptv systems will use Tivo which should improve the service

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Yep ;)