Football World Cup 2010 - Pre Tournament start
 

Couldn't find a thread for this even so thought I'd start one..

The draw for the 2010 World cup is in a few hours.. the draw groups are as follows



Pot One: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England.

Pot Two: Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Australia, New Zealand, United States, Mexico, Honduras.

Pot Three: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria, Algeria, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay.

Pot Four: France, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark, Slovakia.

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Good: England, North Korea, Chilie, Slovenia

Bad: England, Mexico, Ivory Coast, France / Portugal.

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Tough group. Ah well, 6 months of John Terry saying "I think we can do it this year", a month of the newspapers forgetting other national teams exist in the UK, The Dambusters theme being played on Sky Sports then weeks of post mortems about how England failed to qualify for the the quarter finals and who should be the new manager. Ahh yes, World Cup time :D

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Also time for people who know nothing about Football to declare why we are the best team in the World and attempt to explain why.

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Anyone giving odds on which member of the BBC Sport team is first to say "1966"? :D

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What are the other national teams doing that month to be in the papers, are they even playing any matches?

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Probably have some friendlies on. But the way the papers will talk about England you'd think that's the only nation with a team in the UK.

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Oh right, they probably have some friendlies on, who will they be playing, all the decent teams will be in SA and don't you you mean the papers will talk about England like they are the only UK nation actually at the World Cup.

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Um...no, talking like they're the only nation in the UK. The vast majority of English fans don't see it because you're used to it. Maybe us Celts can get a discount off the cover price..

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So you want Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to get equal coverage at a tournement none of them have qualified for.

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I've never said equal coverage.

A reduction in English jingoism would be nice though.

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Prefer a bit of French jingoism or something, the other home nations wont get any coverage for 1 reason, they didn't qualify.

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OK you seem to be under the impression I said the other nations should get coverage.

I haven't said that.

What I would like to see is a change from the normal practice of assuming the whole of the UK is will be supporting England. Whereas many probably will, a sizeable amount won't care whether they win or lose.

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tbh honest i hope we get USA & France in our group \o/

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We??? Oh you mean England :p:

Just remember that not everyone supports England :D

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lol good point. It would def make for a tasty group though.

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The Draw live TV program starts in 20 minutes (BBC2 17:15 or on the web)

Best of luck everyone :)

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Which is why they get so much covergae.


I hope we get France :)

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My mistake, it's just when you said

I assumed you were talking about the actual countries national teams rather than which ever nation you pick out of a hat/have a distant relative from/ enjoyed a holiday at, to support.


So the majority have their coverage curtailed for the minority that aren't even participating and I seem to remember the Republic of Ireland getting a fair amount of coverage each time they qualified and they aren't even part of the Union.

Besides it could be worse. North Korea are only reporting anything on the World Cup if their team wins....

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Again, I haven't said that. The media has always been England-centric anyway and it gets worse at the World Cup. If Wales ever made it to the finals (ha! The FAW have measures in place to ensure that doesn't happen) would we get souvenir editions of The Sun? Special pull-out posters of the boyos in The Mirror? Nope.

As I've said, you don't notice it because you're used to it.

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Here Live now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8391833.stm

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Deja vu. I seem to remember you trot this argument out every time a big football competition comes around. The reason England get all the tabloid inches are as follows: The major newspapers in the UK are based in London, England. England has the biggest population of all the UK home countries & therefore target readship. England has the best football team of all the UK home countries, i.e. consistently qualifying for major championships. England's players are household names, not only in this country, but around the world and whatever you say or think, people do want to read about them. Many people outside Wales, NI or Scotland would struggle to name a single player from any of those teams. Enjoy your summer next year supporting England! :D

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Oh yes we got USA!

Group G looks immense.

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Group C: ENGLAND, United States, Algeria, Slovenia

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Group H: Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile

Group G: Brazil, North Korea, Ivory Coast, Portugal (New Group of Death)

Group F: Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia

Group E: Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Cameroon

Group D: Germany, Australia, Serbia Ghana (Group of Death?)

Group C: ENGLAND, United States, Algeria, Slovenia

Group B: Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece

Group A: South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France

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Going to be tough for Germany.

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Pick of the group games on paper?

England v USA
Brazil v Portugal
France v Mexico
Netherlands v Cameroon
Germany v Australia

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I think SA at home will play well with all thier fans behind them :)

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Brazil/Portugal/Ivory Coast is one hell of a group!

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And I remember you trotting out the same argument back - to which I said back then perhaps the newspapers should give us Celts a discount on the cover price or even charge you more - after all you lot earn the most out of the UK nations :D

Thing is though Wales has a better rugby team yet your national rugby team still gets more coverage so success seems to have little to do with it - enjoy the next few years getting beaten by Wales again ;)

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Group G and D look like they are going to be great, you can see any of the teams from group D getting through.

I don't think England could have hoped for a much better draw than that.

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its not a hell of a group...its a group of death properly.

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Apparently, the odds on North Korea are very good :D

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At 20 - 1 before the draw, I was going to place a tenner on Ivory Coast. Probably wise I didn't now.

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Interesting point, one which most of your country men don't agree with or else there'd be special editions in Wales as there are in Scotland, no demand for it obviously, that's capitalism for you.

Coverage due to being the World Champions and now World runners up, when you are one of the most successful teams in World rugby history it's difficult to get motivated for provincial matches.

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Odds on Brazil have gone down as a result of their group, Spain are now clear favourites.

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Read my post again ;) I didn't suggest regional editions, I mentioned regional discounts for us Celts :)


Total rubbish and you know it! England want to win any matches they play in. Getting back on topic England have always had disproportionately high coverage in the press even before the 2003 rugby World Cup and the er....1966 football World Cup. In the last 5 years Wales have emerged as the dominant force in domestic rugby but when all the nations play on the same day England still gets the bigger headlines.

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http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content...1/15491727.jpg

The Sun doing their part as usual.

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Dominant force lol how many World Cup finals you been in? Zero isn't it :Yes:

And the point remains there is just no call or demand for any change to the way the papers are done in Wales, if people stopped buying them/set their own up as they do in err Scotland things would change.

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It's going to be a very quiet World Cup for me unless they ban the Vuvuzela, had to watch the Confederations cup with the sound off and will probably do the same come June.

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How many 6 Nations have you won in the last 5 years?

How often do you get down here to canvass the locals? Not often I'm guessing.

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Behave Wales have only won 2 and before that you had a 10 year wait to win one, hardly prolific. Besides I know what I'd rather win, Champion of the World or Champ of 6 Nations, not exactly a tough call.

I don't need to canvass, newspapers are businesses, either they fill the demand or some one else will, no one has ergo no demand.

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Did you miss the part where I said Wales were the dominant force in domestic rugby over the last 5 years? I think so.

None of the nationals will lower their price for the regions. But if England gets priority in the sporting pages we certainly deserve it.

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Did you miss the bit about rather being World champions than 6 nations, I think so.

They don't have to, they print different versions in Scotland and even have national papers just for them, why doesn't that happen in Wales, if their was a demand for it they'd be there.

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OI! I thought this was a football thread. ;)

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I hate Rugby

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Maybe the name of the thread could be changed to FIFA world cup 2010 after all that's what it events called :)

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I would love Portugal get knocked out. that would teach them for ronaldo (or what ever the gits name is) for getting Roony sent off

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Yeah, because stamping on Carvalho's groin had nothing to do with it? And since when did referees listen to players bitching at them to make their decisions? Especially when they're literally a few feet away and looking right at the incident.

The Ronaldo scape-goating was pathetic, illogical, and disgraceful enough 3 years ago. Please get over it.

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This is why i don't like following England, all the poor excuses/scapegoating that goes on, it really annoys me. People that blame Ronaldo for England going out in the last world cup are dillusional, it had nothing to do with him apart from him being able to score a penalty unlike the England players.

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A Brazilian perspective of the World Cup groups:

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/z...do-mundo-2.jpg

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Ah it's that time again when the streets and the pubs around me will be full of engerlund fans saying that this is their year and they wont loose......only to be found a little later crying in their beer :D

Can't wait for the world cup

Germany ftw :D

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Shall we run a poll for the best reason England failed?

Options could include Fabio's ineptitude, John Terry's libido, Beckham's sending off in the 1998 WC finals, too many WAGS, John Terry's libido, David James, the FA's reluctance to sanction an official WC song, John Terry's libido, lack of options down the left wing, fans not supporting the team enough, or John Terry's libido.

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It's because of all those Foreigners cheats unlike our upstanding team of honest footballers (when I say cheat, I mean in the sporting sense).

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:rofl:

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Dare I suggest "The hand of GOD" ??

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/02/78.jpg

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I love this advert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWwuHTo4lMY

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lol..good advert

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Durban's unique new Moses Mabhida Stadium:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8544985.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9a9Q2svPU

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/03/48.jpg

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I think the 4th official should have got involved there.:)

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Another good advert to get you in the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzTTdEIrvs

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didn't realise we had a thread for the WC yet. I reckon England can win it. Ok we aren't the best but I won't let that stop deluding me into thinking we can win :D

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One of the downfalls of moving to the East Midlands is all you see and hear about is the WC :rolleyes:

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Surely that's better described as a downfall of supporting Wales?

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I think I had it right the first time..

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I love the World Cup and I'm really looking forward to it. The constant focus on Engerland is an irritation and I'm determined to find ways of ignoring it. There's a lot of football to look forward to without having to focus on a team who will:

a. Lose to the USA (Ladhills will raise the price of Engerland winning the World cup to 8/1) The redtops will question the wisdom of having a foreign manager who doesn't really understand the Engerlish way
b. scrape through qualification. This will be hailed by the red tops as the bulldog spirit showing through despite having a foreign manager (Ladhills will make Engerland joint favourites again)
b. have a player sent off by a contentious decision, usually involving a cheating foreigner who plys his trade in the EPL
c. Lose to Germany/Argentina on Penalties.

The campaign will be hailed a success by the FA when they reveal that not one member of the squad slept with John Terry, allegedly. :D

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Well we could be banned from wearing our countries shirt if the police have there way

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-Cup-pubs.html

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..whilst The Daily Star will find a blonde woman wearing an England bikini "to cheer up the nation's spirits".

..and still debating why Lampard and Gerrard play like they've never heard of each other.

And thereby making that team join the ranks of England's mortal enemies forever (such as Argentina, Germany, Portugal).

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...In the quarter finals :D

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The English tabloid press seems to know nothing about football and panders to narratives (i.e cheating foreigners). They also believe that to be patriotic is to overrate the squad. One of them reported on Messi's 8 goals in 3 games as "Rooney might face competition for his place a best player in the world at this years world cup".

Something bugs me about International competitions and England.

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A classic example being Phil Thompson on Soccer Saturday a few weeks ago.

March 13th: Phil Thompson says Lionel Messi is having a "poor season" and Wayne Rooney is "streets ahead".
March 14th to 21st: Lionel Messi scores 8 goals in 3 games and takes his season tally to 34 in 38.

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I don't know if thats being over patriotic and pro English or just simply knowing nothing about football? Probably the latter.

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I am little concerned about you views on England been in the world cup as your welsh you are part of the UK so shouldn't you support England which is also part of the UK, and vice versa English should support the welsh and scots if they was in the world cup unless they are facing each other, it seems you don't like the English which sadly is a common thing these days.

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Shouldn't Liverpool fans be supporting Man United's chances of winning the league this year? You know seeing as Liverpool and Manchester are both part of the North West of England?

Or is that 'different'?

And it would be hard for me to dislike the English seeing as my father is English, my OH is English, her 2 kids I've taken on are English and I've recently moved to the east Midlands.

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*puts on my gary L hat on * but Leicester isn't in england, its in the asian subcontinent.

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If it's not the sight of non-white kids on TV upsetting you, it's non-English people having the audacity to not support England.

Find a hobby.

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Yes it is different as Manchester and Liverpool are town's not countries, just because your family are English doesn't mean you have to like the English, you seem to not like the fact England are talked about as they are in the World Cup.

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Are you smoking crack, when did I meantion non white or white kids, plus I am annoyed as if WE the UK are meant to be as one why would we not want to support each other in a major competion?

Why is it I have seen Welsh and Scots support any other team that are facing England do you think thats right?

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Sorry, i mistook you for "broadbandings".

Well i don't think it's wrong. It's rivalry and inevitable.

Plus, being British doesn't mean you have to support British teams. There are plenty of English people who don't support England too.

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Ok I can be fine with that but don't get annoyed because England are talked about for been in the World Cup, its going to be talked about.

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Of course it's right. The UK is not one great, homogenous whole. It's a union of distinct nations, each with their own deeply-ingrained culture. Nations which have spent more of recorded history beating each other to death than existing in relative peace and harmony.

There is immense pride and rivalry between the home nations. But that's all it is - pride and rivalry. With the exception of the lunatic fringe you always get in any situation, it is simply deeply felt rivalry. And you don't simply cast rivalry aside just because your own team's not on the pitch.

As an Englishman living in Scotland I'm on the receiving end of the banter whenever we visit the in-laws ... not least from my brother in law, who, incidentally, loves to spend his Saturday afternoons down at Ibrox, where you can see more Union flags than in the whole of the rest of Scotland put together. :D

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It's just jealousy from lesser footballing nations. If Wales/Scotland/Ireland etc were in International competitions more regularly (or at all in some cases) we wouldn't be hearing this 'anyone but England' rubbish everytime England make it to the finals of a compeition. Personally it doesn't bother me and i find it amusing most of the time.

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You totally miss the point.

Every 4 years it's the same rubbish being trotted out, that the rest of the UK ought to support England in the World Cup because we "ought to be proud of them representing the UK".

Well I'm sorry but that really is crap. Spurs supporters aren't going to be proud of Chelsea bringing the premiership to London this year are they? No - because it's a rivalry which is exactly why I'm not fawning over England in the WC this year.

I find it amusing when the Saesneg assume it's jealousy - it's just reinforces the stereotype of the Englander wrapped up in his little protective bubble from the rest of the world.

Local rivalry, nothing less.

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And you're not jealous your "local rivals" are once again a part of the World's greatest sporting competition then, nah course your not, you didn't want to qualify anyway :rolleyes:

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If said rivals were in with half a chance of winning it *then* there might be some jealousy :p

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You have gotta be in it to win it and we aren't really rivals, not exactly competing for the same prizes are we.

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He shouldn't be picked imo. One, he's not good enough, hes had a pretty bad season and two i hate it when players don't bother with qualification and friendlies and just make themselves available for tournaments. Its hugely unfair on players who have gone through it only to lose their place to someone who couldn't be bothered.

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The man is a disgrace. If the difference between us winning the world cup and us not, i'd rather lose.

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I believe that Spurs will have 5 players in the WC squad. the highest from any team.

Mind you IIRC Spurs have the most homegrown talent.

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I`d much rather have Ledley King than Carragher, his positional play is awesome. Still don`t think England have a cat in hells chance of winning the tournament, the squad as a whole just isn`t good enough!

Personally i have doubts about Gerrard as well, i think Lampard is in much better form especially goalscoring. Gerrard doesn`t seem to be able to burst forward like he used to and seems to go to ground quite a lot...

You got to hand it to Harry Redknap, he`s turned a bunch of players who where going nowhere (or out the door) into a force to be reckoned with.

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I'm expecting that to change with next season and the new homegrown footballers regulations coming.

Spurs and Villa are best placed for this. Some (like Liverpool) are dangerously poor.

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Who will win this years World Cup?
 

I hope Spain win after Euro 2008.

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Fair comment and the only reason why he shouldn't be picked if he is avaliable

If the players that went through qualifying were good enough he wouldn't be picked anyway.

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Homegrown talent lol Ledly King is your homegrown talent and has been for years

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Bearing in mind there are 32 teams partaking in the WC, why are there only 9 choices in the poll? Can somebody please re-do it?

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As much as I would love England to win they won't, I would put money on Brazil winning.

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Yeah i really like it, it's perfect montage music. Though i prefer the normal version over the acoustic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxWX1yGcsHQ

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England's 30-man provisional squad for the World Cup finals:
Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), David James (Portsmouth), Robert Green (West Ham).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Jamie Carragher (Liverpool), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Michael Dawson (Tottenham), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Ledley King (Tottenham), John Terry (Chelsea), Matthew Upson (West Ham), Stephen Warnock (Aston Villa).

Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Manchester City), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Joe Cole (Chelsea), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Tom Huddlestone (Tottenham), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Aaron Lennon (Tottenham), James Milner (Aston Villa), Scott Parker (West Ham), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Manchester City).

Forwards: Darren Bent (Sunderland), Peter Crouch (Tottenham), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham), Emile Heskey (Aston Villa), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).

6 Spurs players :D shame Chelsea, Man U & Arsenal couldn't come close :D

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I predict that Peter Crouch will be England's top scorer.