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Russ 25-11-2009 11:24

Google in Obama race picture row
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8377922.stm

I'm not too sure why they don't remove this. If people were able to get their image removed from Google Street View, why not this?

Chris 25-11-2009 11:28

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Because Google is staunch in its defence of free speech, no matter how uncomfortable that might make people.

Unless it's China, of course, where making money is more important.

Bunch of hypocrites. :rolleyes:

Damien 25-11-2009 11:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34915342)
Because Google is staunch in its defence of free speech, no matter how uncomfortable that might make people.

Unless it's China, of course, where making money is more important.

Bunch of hypocrites. :rolleyes:

There policy is not because they defend free speech but because they don't want to tamper with their search results as they feel it would undermine their credibility as a source of information. They are just protecting their product. In China it's censor or you won't have a product so they capitulated on that.

punky 25-11-2009 12:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34915342)
Because Google is staunch in its defence of free speech, no matter how uncomfortable that might make people.

Unless it's China, of course, where making money is more important.

Bunch of hypocrites. :rolleyes:

What he said ^

Also we don't need Google, who people rely on finding content they need, to be arbiters on taste and decency.

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I can't find this image so looks like it has been removed.

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Found it. you have to search for:

Michelle Obama Hot Girls

to find it. Its the 5th picture in.

Russ 25-11-2009 12:12

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If you just do an image search on google for Michelle Obama it's the first image.

Flyboy 25-11-2009 12:29

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What a disgusting image. Google ought to be ashamed of themselves. I agree with the OP, individuals should be allowed to have images like these removed.

punky 25-11-2009 12:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34915362)
If you just do an image search on google for Michelle Obama it's the first image.

Odd, not for me.

Chris 25-11-2009 12:34

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Switch your safe-search to 'moderate' ... oh, the irony!

zing_deleted 25-11-2009 12:37

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your search engine appears to be google.com I have mine set to google.co.uk and that comes up as the first

EDIT Chris is right mine was moderate

punky 25-11-2009 12:38

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That wasn't showing up either, but did when I switched from google.com to google.co.uk

So much for Labour's multicultualism agenda then :p:

Flyboy 25-11-2009 12:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34915378)
That wasn't showing up either, but did when I switched from google.com to google.co.uk

So much for Labour's multicultualism agenda then :p:

Wow! What a leap. How on Earth have you suddenly spouted that nonsense from a row over an abhorrent image of the US's First Lady to this country's issues? I think that that says more about you, than it does about the author of that image.

Chris 25-11-2009 12:52

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Woah there ... take a chill pill man, then sit back and enjoy the satire. Smilies are meant to help you understand the tone with which a post is offered. ;)

Flyboy 25-11-2009 12:54

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They are also used to pretend to they are such.

Russ 25-11-2009 12:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915393)
They are also used to pretend to they are such.

Is it routine for you to try to find trouble where this is none?

Earl of Bronze 25-11-2009 14:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915393)
They are also used to pretend to they are such.

Flyboy, you do realise that not every white skinned human being is a raceist or a nazi ? Cause evey time someone says something you don't like, your first reaction is invariably to snidely comment or hint that they are a raceist/nazi.... Gotta say dude, it's boring to see you do it over, and over, and over, and over, and over in multiple threads....

Back on topic, it's a disgrace that some moron has posted that piccy on the net.

But I'm sure Flyboy will still think I'm a closet raceist.... :rolleyes:

downquark1 25-11-2009 14:02

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What a bunch of idiots reporting this, it's only going to make the picture more popular.

punky 25-11-2009 14:06

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Streisand Effect FTL.

Horace 25-11-2009 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34915378)
So much for Labour's multicultualism agenda then :p:

So much for literacy too. OT is fine here right? Right. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Flyboy 25-11-2009 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34915433)
Flyboy, you do realise that not every white skinned human being is a raceist or a nazi ? Cause evey time someone says something you don't like, your first reaction is invariably to snidely comment or hint that they are a raceist/nazi.... Gotta say dude, it's boring to see you do it over, and over, and over, and over, and over in multiple threads....

Back on topic, it's a disgrace that some moron has posted that piccy on the net.

But I'm sure Flyboy will still think I'm a closet raceist.... :rolleyes:

Wow, an even bigger leap. How did you deduce that, from:

Quote:

How on Earth have you suddenly spouted that nonsense from a row over an abhorrent image of the US's First Lady to this country's issues? I think that that says more about you, than it does about the author of that image
Your mind reading powers are top notch. Don't suppose you can do lottery numbers as well?

Hiroki 25-11-2009 15:38

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Slow news week?

I thought the picture was funny.

Horace 25-11-2009 15:41

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I guess in an artistic sense it's nothing Planet Of The Apes didn't do already - made me feel a bit sick to be honest - I guess that's down to feeling empathy though.

Russ 25-11-2009 15:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915488)
Wow, an even bigger leap. How did you deduce that, from:



Your mind reading powers are top notch. Don't suppose you can do lottery numbers as well?

From these and other posts of yours on the subject, the perception of you is that if anyone disagrees with your view on racism/racists, you consider them to be racist too. You might not be aware of that perception but it's one held by more than a handful of CF members. I'm sure it's unintentional but your reactionary posting style in these topics give that impression.

nomadking 25-11-2009 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34915495)
From these and other posts of yours on the subject, the perception of you is that if anyone disagrees with your view on racism/racists, you consider them to be racist too. You might not be aware of that perception but it's one held by more than a handful of CF members. I'm sure it's unintentional but your reactionary posting style in these topics give that impression.

I don't think there is anything unintentional about it. It happens too often.

Maggy 25-11-2009 16:24

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Well the photo has been removed so that's the end of that story..:)

Earl of Bronze 25-11-2009 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915488)
Wow, an even bigger leap. How did you deduce that

I deduced it from your previous form. Its the same comment style from you in every thread that touches on race in any way, shape, or form. Aimed at posters who dont share the exact same PoV that you do.... IIRC you admitted to being on the receiving end of racist abuse when you where younger. Well.... Seems to me you like to dish it back to whitie now that you have grown up, cause we all know that if you throw enough poo, some of it may eventually stick....

Oh, and before you post a reply in the heat of the moment. I'd suggest you go think about what I've said. A bit of introspection and self-analysis can be good for us. I did that when Russ called me a hypocrit a couple of weeks ago, and he was right, and I admitted as much bith to myself and on this forum. So take a bit of time and have a think. :)

punky 25-11-2009 18:25

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FFS, just seen Flyboy's original post.

I know you are convinced i'm a racist bigot and try and twist every post of mine to back up your own prejudice but it's really getting old now.

One...last...time...

It was a joke which is why I included the smilie. And not just any smilie it was the tongue one which, IMO, represents tongue-in-cheek posts.

And no, I don't seriously believe the fact Google UK's search results appear more racist than Google worldwide's search results to be anything other than a coincidence. If I did, it wouldn't be a joke.

And the subtext of the joke which I refer to isn't nonsense. It's well publised.

Everyone else seems to have worked all this out on their own. So please can you remove the chip off your shoulder so you can move on. I really thought you turned a corner monday.

Damien 25-11-2009 18:29

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To the people who did say it was funny. It was playing on the racist notion of black people being apes. It is a racist image.

papa smurf 25-11-2009 19:18

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why is this pic not outrageous then? surely its the same thing ,btw i'm not saying mrs obama's pic is right ,just asking why this one isnt gathering the same fuss .

punky 25-11-2009 19:20

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Its nice to know Google likes to decide what we can and can't see.

Chris 25-11-2009 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34915585)
why is this pic not outrageous then? surly its the same thing ,btw i'm not saying mrs obama's pic is right ,just asking why this one isnt gathering the same fuss .

It's not the monkey per se, but what the use of monkey means in each case that makes one offensive but the other not.

Michelle Obama's picture draws on a particularly nasty racial stereotype that suggests black people are less advanced/intelligent because they are more like apes than people. Bush's picture woudn't be understood by anyone to make a statement about white people as a race, it simply suggests Bush is a bit thick.

Kymmy 25-11-2009 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34915586)
Its nice to know Google likes to decide what we can and can't see.

Actually the original site removed the image, as google removes cache requests based on site owners requests it probably would have been gone soon anyway..

punky 25-11-2009 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34915593)
It's not the monkey per se, but what the use of monkey means in each case that makes one offensive but the other not.

Michelle Obama's picture draws on a particularly nasty racial stereotype that suggests black people are less advanced/intelligent because they are more like apes than people. Bush's picture woudn't be understood by anyone to make a statement about white people as a race, it simply suggests Bush is a bit thick.

And he looks like a chimp.

nomadking 25-11-2009 21:33

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A comment elsewhere has indicated that there is a site called 'Celebrity Apes', where famous people(mostly white) are portrayed as apes. If it is being suggested that people who happen to be black shouldn't be portrayed in that manner, then surely that is being racist. To exclude them from the same treatment as white people is by definition, racist.

Damien 25-11-2009 21:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34915662)
A comment elsewhere has indicated that there is a site called 'Celebrity Apes', where famous people(mostly white) are portrayed as apes. If it is being suggested that people who happen to be black shouldn't be portrayed in that manner, then surely that is being racist. To exclude them from the same treatment as white people is by definition, racist.

Was this image created for that site? No. What's more white people being portrayed as apes is not considered a racial slur, it's not part of racist imagery.

downquark1 25-11-2009 22:17

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These things are not racist in of themselves but are reminiscent of recent history. Now I personally believe that there has to come a time that you move on and "forgive and forget". Especially since the new generations haven't even seen such prejudice (at least on a large scale).

There are far worse pictures of obama on the internet and stupider things that google has thrown up. This is just cheap controversy spinning.

papa smurf 25-11-2009 22:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34915667)
Was this image created for that site? No. What's more white people being portrayed as apes is not considered a racial slur, it's not part of racist imagery.

this racism lark has some double standards, if depicting white people as monkeys is ok, but depict a black person and its an outrage ,just how far can someone go in respect of insulting white people before it becomes a racial slur ?

Maggy 25-11-2009 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34915693)
this racism lark has some double standards, if depicting white people as monkeys is ok, but depict a black person and its an outrage ,just how far can someone go in respect of insulting white people before it becomes a racial slur ?

Well as part of the white people whom have had an upper hand over most of the rest of the other races for sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo
long I can hardly be offended when someone has a go back..;)

It's an utterly pointless insult and so dated and old fashioned.It's time we all grew up.:rolleyes:

papa smurf 25-11-2009 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34915698)
Well as part of the white people whom have had an upper hand over most of the rest of the other races for sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo
long I can hardly be offended when someone has a go back..;)

It's an utterly pointless insult and so dated and old fashioned.It's time we all grew up.:rolleyes:

that's interesting ,how did you get this power over other races?

I've always considered all races equal , and as a white person have never tried to dominate another race ,or even an individual person .

i agree its a pointless insult but surely its equally insulting to any race /person to be labeled a monkey by another human being .

Flyboy 25-11-2009 23:02

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My God you lot must either heave seriously guilty consciences, or you just can't read and have very wild imaginations.

I still fail to see how my incredulity that someone finds the absurd image of a black woman depicted as an ape and then equates that to the Labour government's stance on multiculturalism. At no point whatsoever did I suggest that the poster was racist, a Nazi, or of any other right wing opinion. At no point did I even mention race. My issue was, why did it have anything at all to do with the party political structure here in the UK, particularly how it relates to Labour party policy? But you lot can continue to see me as the bogeyman as much as you like. Those guilty consciences will do the rest.

Maggy 25-11-2009 23:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34915711)
that's interesting ,how did you get this power over other races?

I've always considered all races equal , and as a white person have never tried to dominate another race ,or even an individual person .

i agree its a pointless insult but surely its equally insulting to any race /person to be labeled a monkey by another human being .

I didn't, it's that old colonial/missionary crap from yesteryear which some of our compatriots here in the UK and the rest of western democracy finds it hard to leave behind..as you very well know if you have any historical knowledge so I'm surprised you are surprised that I know it...;)

I am myself unaffected by being called a monkey but as I'm white I guess it doesn't have the same connotation for me.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915715)
My God you lot must either heave seriously guilty consciences, or you just can't read and have very wild imaginations.

I still fail to see how my incredulity that someone finds the absurd image of a black woman depicted as an ape and then equates that to the Labour government's stance on multiculturalism. At no point whatsoever did I suggest that the poster was racist, a Nazi, or of any other right wing opinion. At no point did I even mention race. My issue was, why did it have anything at all to do with the party political structure here in the UK, particularly how it relates to Labour party policy? But you lot can continue to see me as the bogeyman as much as you like. Those guilty consciences will do the rest.

I have to say I fail to see what it has to do with the Labour party either..:confused:

Damien 25-11-2009 23:09

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Punky was making a joke. It was unconnected. Move on and Leave it alone.

Maggy 25-11-2009 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34915721)
Punky was making a joke. It was unconnected. Move on and Leave it alone.

You are probably right but it does seem like a lot of topics have been randomly attributed to the labour party recently on CF..;)

Hiroki 25-11-2009 23:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34915568)
To the people who did say it was funny. It was playing on the racist notion of black people being apes. It is a racist image.

I can see the likeness when I look at her.

Still I don't think this was really news worthy

Earl of Bronze 25-11-2009 23:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915715)
Those guilty consciences will do the rest.

Flyboy. I have many, many things in my life I feel guilty about, but hating people because of their skin colour is not one of them. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor the most sane and stable of people on these forums.... But.... I certainly don't suffer from what I consider the mental illness of race hate.

So do yourself, and the rest of us who do notice your snide attititude, and stuff it up your jacksie....

Maggy 25-11-2009 23:35

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Please let's be polite over this issue and not resort to name calling...or any other sort of insult.

punky 26-11-2009 00:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34915715)
My God you lot must either heave seriously guilty consciences, or you just can't read and have very wild imaginations.

I still fail to see how my incredulity that someone finds the absurd image of a black woman depicted as an ape and then equates that to the Labour government's stance on multiculturalism. At no point whatsoever did I suggest that the poster was racist, a Nazi, or of any other right wing opinion. At no point did I even mention race. My issue was, why did it have anything at all to do with the party political structure here in the UK, particularly how it relates to Labour party policy? But you lot can continue to see me as the bogeyman as much as you like. Those guilty consciences will do the rest.

Flyboy, do you ever read my posts? Even when I spell it out in the clearest possible terms you just ignore it.

The fact that everybody is on a completely different track from you must prove that its you that are on the wrong track, not them. Between everyone in this thread being a racist bigot and you misunderstanding a post, i'm definitely voting for the later.

Flyboy 27-11-2009 00:20

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Yes, as a matter of fact I do read your posts. In fact I was reading one in particular, quite recently, which appears to indicate that you seem to have a habit of raising the spectre of Labour's "multiculturalism policies" at almost any opportunity, irrespective of the subject at hand, just as you have on this thread. I think the "track" you speak of is your own agenda, what that is, is unclear right now, but I am sure you will let us know when you need to.

I have not called anyone a "racist bigot," but yours and everyone else's "imagination," seems to be fixated on the fact that I have said that, or something similar. I think that says more about you and your friends than it does me.

punky 27-11-2009 00:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34916327)
which appears to indicate that you seem to have a habit of raising the spectre of Labour's "multiculturalism policies" at almost any opportunity

Mentioning multiculturalism in a thread about racism? I agree with you - that really is a quantum leap in logic.

Anyway, must dash - you've caught me between cross-burnings. Be back soon.

Flyboy 27-11-2009 01:02

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But it's not just any old "Multiculturalism," is it? It is "Labour's multiculturalism agenda."


This thread has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" at all, whether it is Labour's or anyone else's, though has it. It has nothing to do with integration, or how different cultures interact. Neither do other threads, in which you raise the issue, have much to do with that subject either. But if you had even bothered to actually read my post after yours, you will have noticed that I did not say anything at all about your intention to raise the subject of race, it was your unprecedented leap of logic, going from the rather unflattering image of an American, to the Labour party's, the UK government's, stance on multiculturalism. It was you who raised the issue (hiding behind a smiley doesn't help your cause either), therefore you must have had a purposeful intent to denigrate this country's political policies.

danielf 27-11-2009 01:40

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I see the humour bypass op was a resounding success.

Flyboy: please take a chill pill. Several people have pointed out that your posting style is erm, somewhat aggressive and counterproductive, and I have to concur. Being a bit of a liberal leftist, I ought to agree with you on occasion, but I find your dismissive attitude towards opinions other than yours rather annoying. Debate doesn't have to involve attacking other posters at the earliest opportunity. Try thinking of it as an exchange of ideas.

punky 27-11-2009 01:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34916342)
But it's not just any old "Multiculturalism," is it? It is "Labour's multiculturalism agenda."


This thread has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" at all, whether it is Labour's or anyone else's, though has it. It has nothing to do with integration, or how different cultures interact. Neither do other threads, in which you raise the issue, have much to do with that subject either. But if you had even bothered to actually read my post after yours, you will have noticed that I did not say anything at all about your intention to raise the subject of race, it was your unprecedented leap of logic, going from the rather unflattering image of an American, to the Labour party's, the UK government's, stance on multiculturalism. It was you who raised the issue (hiding behind a smiley doesn't help your cause either), therefore you must have had a purposeful intent to denigrate this country's political policies.

I really can't work out any more whether you are actually being serious or just trying to wind me up. Either way I don't give a toss and i'm not going to waste any more of life trying to explain something everyone else on the forum is able to grasp except you.

Chris 27-11-2009 10:39

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Can we please move on and stick to the topic.


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