Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

I can remember having various arguments with left wingers here on CF about this. Now Labour are even admitting they were wrong on the matter. Exactly what I and others have been saying here for years, to howls of derision from our comrades here. Any left wingers here fancy apologizing to me about this now? :dozey:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6900299.ece

Wait, there is more:
Immigration a la labour.......good for the country eh? :dozey: It seems us right wingers here were right all along....... Doubt we'll get any apologies though.....:rolleyes:


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6907991.ece

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The thing is these people always try this on at or near election time. It's their speciality! They know they're in deep trouble so now's the time to apparently acknowledge their mistakes, talk tough, promise to act and hope to con us all into voting for them yet again! If they do retain power, expect more of the same cynicism, ineptitude, lies and spin.

You may be interested in this:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ck-horror.html

;)

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got it wrong on immigration !

they screwed up every thing they got involved in :mad:

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The treasury makes a lot of money out of some immigrants (work permits, etc) but then gives more than that away in benefits, education, etc, to them...

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Culpable or inept, for the damage they have done ,the outgoing government has ensured that the labour party wont return to power until long after I am gone.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

please tell me your only 16 and will live to be 147years old

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Lol! :)

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Labour, Everytime i here that word i think of the film were they shout dead man walking, except it should be dead party walking.

They have about as much chance of re election as i have chance of flying in the space shuttle

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Still not hearing any apologies from our left leaning members who argued so passionately in favour of labours immigration policy and called us right wingers bigots and racists for saying what labour are actually saying now.......:dozey:

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i'll join the que behind you Ramrod ,

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The government apologising for screwing up? There definitely must be an election coming up.

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Yes, curious how quiet they've been lately isn't it... :D

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Could you provide an example, please, Rammy, of people arguing passionately in favour of Labour's immigration policy? If you mean disagreeing with the bunch of bullcrip that the Mail and the Express print on this issue, you may be confusing disliking xenophobia and incitement to hatred with passionately supporting Labour policy.

btw, if you think I'm a left-winger, how do you explain my service in the RAF, my 29 years membership of the Tory Party, the fact that I have attended over a dozen Tory Party conferences, helped out at General Elections and by-elections, stood for local council, had lunch with MT three times, been an Area and National Officer of the Conservatives, read the Times, the Telegraph, and the Economist - or perhaps things aren't always cut and dried, and some people have a range of views on things. ;)

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andyl was before your time, Foreverwar.

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Easy ... you're a Wet! :p:

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you might be a 5th columnist ;)

had lunch with MT :nworthy: respect

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Yes this is pretty much it. Like when there is a horrible murder and they accuse those of us against the death penalty of effectively being pro-murder or whatever. It is underhanded mis-presentation of our views (as a left winger).

I don't think many people, if anyone, said uncontrolled immigration is a good thing. We did say that Immigration is important and that we do benefit from it. The NHS being an example. Labour electioneering not withstanding it, that point has not diminished.

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*shiver*

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Immigration per se isn't the problem - it's the 'uncontrolled' bit that's the problem for most people. We don't need uncontrolled immigration to have an effective NHS or enjoy the benefits of highly qualified personnel from around the world after all. Of course you wouldn't guess that from New Labour's approach to the issue which involved few if any meaningful controls until very recently. If they didn't think it was a good idea or and/or suited their agenda why didn't they impose stricter limits for non EU immigration?

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Seconds thoughts. Not going to engage.

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oh heck death penalty and muslims
im of to bed :rolleyes:

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i've never understood that argument, paying nurses so little we have to employ cheap foreign workers isn't something to be proud about.

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Funny how in a world of variety and possibility some of us insist in talking in terms of absolutes.

Or in other worlds in a world of vibrant colour some of us stick only to black and white and can't even shade and tint those two to include differing greys.:rolleyes:

It's not an either world,it's not an other world.

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Ah. I know what's happened here. You have misunderstood the argument. Basically the shortage of nurses is because a lot of people don't train to be nurses. It is skilled work and requires training. They get paid more than minuma wage as well so it's not 'cheap foreign workers' they are educated workers.

How about doctors? They do get paid a lot and look how many immigrant doctors there are.

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Still think the BNP are wrong?

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Yes.

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Me too - controlled immigration which truly benefits the people of this country does NOT require the likes of the BNP to be supported or, worse still, in power.

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Even though exactly what they've been saying all along is now being proven true? you really have all been brainwashed.

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Not at all my friend. I've been around long enough to know that aspects of what they've been saying have been proved partially true and the BNP aren't the only ones who've been making that point. There's also no doubt that the main parties (especially our current 'government') have fudged this issue for years, let this nation down and thereby created the conditions in which the BNP can garner support, much of it misguided.

However, whilst I fully understand and share some of the grave concerns of those who oppose uncontrolled immigration, the vast bulk of what the BNP stands for and their abject lack of any other real policy ought to make them unelectable by any reasonable person.

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As Osem says there is a difference between legitimate concerns over Immigration and the BNP's view that all Immigration is bad as well as ethnic minorities being asked to vacate the country so that Britain can be 99% white.

The legitimate concerns, expressed by many on this forum, are valid and are to do with problems of mass migration into small areas which could adversely affect a town. Those of us who sometimes disagree with these views, like me, would question how often this truly happens and how much is media spin. As well as trying to emphasise that well-managed immigration is a good thing. Pointing to the amount of Doctors and Social Workers who are Immigrants, as well as the successes we have had in the past.

The BNP's "concerns" are not valid. They are against all Immigration fundamentally because they believe that minorities are a danger to Britain, and to the ethnic make-up of Britain. If you look at BNP policy they don't seem to mind white immigration or members. As long as they descend from the correct racial group they don't care. They would cause critical under-staffing in the NHS and social work. They would basically revoke 'Britishness' to those who are Asian/Black no matter how long they or their family have lived here.

It is rather simple. The BNP are racists using Immigration as a ploy to win votes.

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I apologise for my left wing tendencies, does that make you happy :LOL:

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Whose been brainwashed? Depends on perspective..

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:rofl: You're good value, I'll give you that.

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Nah......I don't think you mean it :D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8356226.stm

Brown's jumped on the migration bandwagon now. After years of shouting down and branding as racist xenophobes anyone who raised an objection, no matter how well reasoned, he and his spinners have concluded it's time to show how sensitive and understanding they are of these concerns and how they're going to get it right next time... After the election that is of course...... :rolleyes:

Their apologies for past mistakes ought to fall on deaf ears, they're just part of yet another cynical pre-election campaign of spin, deceit and false promises. They've had 12 years to get this matter right! It took them almost a decade to determine that the Home Office was not fit for purpose and so far as I can see very little has changed. They talk tough and sound sincere but we've seen it all too many times before and they're taking us for fools.

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As my dad said about 20 years ago while watching Question Time.... You can tell a politition is lying, cause his lisp are moving....

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...re/8364739.stm

Yeah right ! I wonder if this guy ever chats to his own staff, the ones who appear on Sky's Border Patrol every week spend their lives rounding up illegals then having to let them go because there is no detention space available, knowing full well that nearly all of them will simply ignore the official reporting orders issued to them and disappear all over again.....

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The government get tough on immigration. :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8368709.stm

Gotta love the government, they honestly couldn't be more incompetent if they tried, they just have the reverse midas touch and everything Gordon Brown wishes well ends up in flames or under 10 feet of water, sometimes both.

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It wouldn't be so bad if they were just incompetent. Since Bliar created 'New Labour' they've taken the art of lies, spin, distortion and cynicism to new levels and they're still at it hoping and praying that there are enough gullible people out there to keep them in power. The only thing that surprises me about any of this is why, after all the lies, anyone would ever again believe anything Brown and his cronies say...