'Thirteen shot dead' at US army base
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8345713.stm

Very early reports and I've not much more than this.

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http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553

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:(

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Live coverage

EDIT: I believe the death toll has risen to 12

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12 dead and 31 injured they know of.
The death toll could increase.

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One of the shooters have been identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

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He's a Muslim convert, hence the first name Malik and his (I would assume) Spanish last name Nadal.

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Here, here!

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Link please.

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Ok we'll see how this pans out.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-ar...t-hood-2009-11

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Latest figures is 12 dead, 32 wounded, also one gunman dead and two other "suspects" in custody..

I asked as a mod not to go down the religion route until it's confirmed as too many people jump on that bandwagon, I thank members for currently respecting that request until it is confirmed either way as to it's relevance or not.

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I really wish/hope he isn't Muslim because the American/World media will have a field day and it will more than likely to infuriate Americans more than ever.

Let's just hope it gives more support for bringing troops home so there's no more need for this stress/trauma etc.

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I think if it is a terrorist attack, they might want to whitewash it.

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Something though doesn't add up, he's a Major (so obviously spent quite a bit of time in the army) and he's a mental health professional. Sounds to me that there's more chance that he's cracked up and gone on the usual American with a gun spree than it being political..

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Probably. It takes a long time to get to Major. Probably gone postal... (and not British postal... that's just on strike lol)

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I want to know what the score is with the other 2 suspects if one guy went mental he would normally do it alone. Th e kxxv link males it sound like there was more than one shooter

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I've read that the other 2 suspects have been released.

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Or it could be the result of some weird "super-soldier" experiment and he got loose.

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I agree with this wild theory. if he's serious that is :)

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The gunman isn't dead, he was shot and survived. Apparently, he is a Muslim, but it's unlikely he did it because of religious beliefs.

I get a feeling this was an act of terrorism.

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From the BBC link.

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That's all cleared up then. looks like America isn't at war with Islam.

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They never were Gary they are at war with terrorists who happened to be islamic fundamentalists. ( Not ness this guy )

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This was the gunman
http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan

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You, like some areas of the US media. may be jumping to conclusions on insufficient evidence.
AP

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Although I have no reason to disbelieve you, but could you provide a source for this information, please?

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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/fort-hood-s...ory?id=9007938

After a nights sleep I'm still not convinced that this was a terrorist attack and he's just gone wacko at the thought of going to Iraq.

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The obvious lack of evidence aside, does the ensuing comments not worry anyone?

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If it was a terrorist attack, do you think they'd want to cover it up?
killing of American soldiers on American soil would not be good :)

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Sorry, Kymmy, it was contained within the quote and I thought it was important to show the absurdity of some people's prejudices. Obviously I was not subtle enough, but will try to be moreso in the future. oops:

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Not really because its largely true.

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Why would they want to cover it up.. or are you paranoidly expecting tomorrows headline to read the following

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/11/26.gif

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under..

Nothing happend in Texas on the 5th of November


In other words my answer is as rediculous as your question...

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Well the suggestion is that he lost it.

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will it make him a martyr?
did he kill them for himself?
should we sympathise about how he was unhappy?

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Yeah, I did delete that from my post as it was misleading.

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But not as misleading as:

?

As there seems to be very little information being released, how is it you seem to know more than everybody else?

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What? I'm talking about the quote you posted and you referred to.

Texas is a conservative state. The only thing inaccurate is that they don't use the electric chair any more. They do lethal injection. Although i'm not sure how military punishments differ from civvy street if at al.

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Because people would be angry? need an excuse to dust off their shotguns?

Quote:

Nothing happend in Texas on the 5th of November

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebr...ennycraig1.jpg Three, Two, One, and you're awake..

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The main thing that says this wasn't a terrorist attack is this is an American born Muslim, who spent years in the army to reach Major. That's no easy task. If either of those weren't true, i.e. if he was a recent convert, or a new enlist, then you could put terrorist attack into the realms of possibility, but you don't just join the army and wait that long just to shoot kill that few people. If this was a long term plan you'd expect hundreds of deaths.

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Gary, can I ask - why the happy emoticon on that statement? :confused:

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Oh, it's nothing drastic. I just fancy Kymmy.

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Sorry dear but you're the wrong speci.....woops I mean gender.... :rolleyes:

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I meant the happy emoticon at the end of a line stating that killing of American soldiers would not be good.

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That's the smiley I just told you about.

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So Flyboy, are you going to

1. Admit you are unable to read.
2. Prove i'm wrong in that Texas is actually a very liberal state and doesn't practice capital punishment. Therapy and rehabilition is a cornerstone of their justice system.
3. Continue to hide behind your cowardice

?

I certainly know more about Texas than you, that's for sure.

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Maybe he thinks he will be winning favour with the muslims on the forum (he probably thinks we're all pro this event)

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Listening to foreverwar will make you paranoid. it was just a smiley. whether it was on the end of the sentence. below the sentence, or right down the bottom of the page, I think it would still be an issue for someone.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8346078.stm

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I wonder if the idea of interning/explusing "5th Columnists" will now start to emerge in the USA?

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Your links been updated

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It still does not mean that this was a crime motivated by Islam.

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Didn't say it was, I don't believe people should be able to get away with trying to justify their actions by hiding behind some God or other.

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Excellent - a modern-day version of McCarthyism; that worked so well the first time round.

How would they identify these "fifth columnists", I wonder?

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Good question. During WWII, Germans living in the UK were shipped off to the Isle of Man; Japanese living in the USA were sent to special camps (I hesitate to use the word "concentration"). Hmm, I wonder what criteria people would use today?

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As l read, he was scared to go to Afghanistan, in that case he is a coward, he trained as an American soldier for pride of his country, and what he did was disgaceful, and does not derserve to be kept alive,.:)

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Arthur, are you heading off to Afghanistan any time soon?

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Woah he's a coward? He's Muslim and a psychiatrist, if anything he should stay in the USA to help those who come back from the 'war'.

In other news;

http://www.wftv.com/news/21541363/detail.html

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He was a trained medical professional, so most likely enlisted as an officer, in all likeliness as a captain. This means his chance of seeing active service was pretty slim, he may have imagined he would see out his commission on a US base.

Also he was a base psychiatrist, what he signed up for, and the reality of war are entirely different, and he was in the unique position of having to hear everything bad about war, all those stories you read about and think "I couldn't cope with that" he had to listen to day in and day out, it's entirely possible that upon hearing he was being deployed he came to the realisation that he would be experiencing first hand the horrors of what he's been helping people deal with for years, and that caused him to break.

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Or he didn't want to fight his own religion. when I say own religion I mean own people. and when I say own people I mean whatever you know it means.

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His own people - do you mean Americans? (as he was born and raised in Virginia, and then joined the US Army after High School).

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perhaps he meant he was unhappy at the thought of shooting fellow muslims .

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Why is it, people take this out of context, He was a trained American officer, prepared to go to WAR, that is what you train for, whatever his religion, faith, he join the armed forces to defend YOUR country, or look after the vulnerable, YOU don't get scared at the last minute, then go round AND shoot and KILL your countrymen or women do you.

EVEN his family have said, they find it despicable, what he did, :mad:

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i don't think this debate needs an armchair general .

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Playing Devil's Advocate, it may have improved his ability to help traumatised veterans, to be able understand first hand what they had experienced. Perhaps, I might be being naive; I don't know.

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The Americans he shot dead and injured. if he didn't want to go he could have done a few things. such as shooting himself and not the countries soldiers he joined.

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You mean his own country's army?

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Yes.

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Actually to be more precise he didn't want to be deployed to Iraq.;)

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Which people didn't he want to fight? You said he didn't want to fight his own people, but he was American, which makes Americans his own people. :confused:

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Hope he gets executed,pronto.DON'T SIT THERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, THE **** NEEDS TO BE EXECUTED, SIMPLE REALLY.

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He didn't get scared at the last minute, he apparently spent ages trying to keep himself from being deployed, including trying to get medical dismissals.

You'll find a huge amount of medical enlists do so thinking they will never see active service and will live out their commissions in a base in a nice safe country just treating those that return from warzones.

I'd say that after hearing some horror stories the last thing on your mind will be "wow, I really think if I experienced this first hand, I'll be able to help people more!" rational thinking will have gone out the window and been replaced by "oh god I really don't want to have to experience that".

He did do a few things, reports are saying he had been trying to get out of deployment for a while, but the US army is extremely short on psychiatrists and they are a vital part of troop services at the FOBs so they wouldn't let him resign his commission. I'd say he couldn't face up to the reality of deployment, snapped and lashed out at the very people who wouldn't let him get out of his deployment.

His choice of targets speaks volumes, there are plenty of places on an army base he could have found huge groups of people to take down, but he chose the readiness centre, the place you go to finalise your deployment that has the power to keep you on base or force you to deploy. Obviously he saw those people as the ones that were forcing him to deploy, and therefore the enemy.

I'm not saying there's any justification in what he did, just that it's not as simple as "I don't want to deploy... lets shoot some people!", there are a ton of steps inbetween that will have caused him to be broken enough to even consider doing something like this. People are all too quick to try to rationalise things, but these were not the actions of a rational person.

Yeah, lets just execute him now.

Or how about first we try to understand, so as procedures can be put in place to ensure that no one ends up doing this again, and THEN we execute him (or otherwise incarcerate him).

You cannot prevent tragedies like this without first realising why they occur, and you can't do that when the guy that did it is lying on a slab infront of you.

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His parents were Palestinian. he was raised a Muslim. "very serious about his religion.� Major Hasan had wanted to marry an equally religious woman"
“He wanted a woman who prayed five times a day and wears a hijab."

He wanted to leave the army some years ago.
was that after 9/11/2001?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html

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Some say the Isle on Man's not that bad you know.... :D

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well this chaps not the first yank to go apes--t with a gun and i doubt he will be the last.

imo they need to find out why he did this [preferably before he is lynched] if it was because he was/is mentally unstable then he needs help ,if it was however an act of terrorism then i'm sure he'll end up on death row .

its also just possible he was terrified at the prospect of deployment and it sent him over the edge
i know faced with the prospect of going into this hell hole i would be scared ,very scared ..

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It was in the last five years - BBC
Here's his bio in the Washington Post

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the telegraph [not sure if its on the approved list] has reported this

Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists


Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...errorists.html

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For goodness sake!!!

Do you really think that the US military would have allowed him that?

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Allowed him what, to worship? anything else they didn't know until now, did they?

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To be associating with "people of interest." Not hardly likely to happen, is it.

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If they knew they wouldn't have no. they obviously didn't know.

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Oh c'mon...one of their officers, a psychiatrist, who gets to hear all the innermost thoughts of those returning from the front, is not kept an eye on?

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Why? because he's Muslim, because he's a psychiatrist? because it later transpires that he shot a load of people?

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No, because he "gets to hear all the innermost thoughts of those returning from the front."

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Oh.

:tiptoe:

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I hear they have an entire team of agents following every serviceman around.... just in case!

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Really? What a waste of time. :geez:

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They have to. they call it learning from their mistakes.

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What, they really do have teams of covert agents following every service man and woman, who have returned from Afghanistan and Iraq?

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This thread is descending to the level of a pantomime..:rolleyes:

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Oh no it isn't! :D




(actually, you're right, it is)

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No, just the ones who get to hear all the innermost thoughts of those returning from the front. and only if they're Muslim.

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Irony has left the building.......

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Well Sense and Logic left long ago. What the hell would Irony want to hang around for?

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No doubt you'll be back. :D

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At times, you seem to be trying very hard to convince people that you are the first surviving brain transplant donor. ;)

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Sorry. I'll create a sig to let everyone know I'm not pretending I hold your title :) :D

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Dear Gary, once again you are displaying the depth and width of your intellect and wit - if you were the first, how could anyone else hold that title? ;)

Anyhoo, back to the thread topic - latest update from CNN