Man blames rape attempt on devil.
 

A man caught on CCTV trying to rape a woman in Glasgow blamed the incident on the devil, a court has heard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8343127.stm

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Show him what hell looks like for 10 years, then deport him.

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Doing so would probably violate his human rights....

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I don't think our prisons are closer to heaven.

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On a spiritual level I see what he's saying but really, it's no moral or legal defence.

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Russ, If we accept just one case on religious grounds, you open the floodgates for all sorts of excuses. Its against the law, Jail him.

No Excuses, No Vaseline.:td:

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So, it's not a case of the Alcohol bringing out the nasty side of his personality? It will be such a relief to those women whose husbands come home tanked up on Lager and knock seven shades out of them that it's not the Alcohol causing them to get a beating, but Satan.

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I would prefer ground glass in his Vaseline :mad:

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I do not believe Russ was trying to say that we should accept the case on religious grounds..

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It's just a poor excuse for his actions. probably thinks he'll get off more lightly for blaming something other than himself.

evil actions are your own doing. the devil he talks of is his own evil self.

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I haven't said he shouldn't be jailed.

Don't you think it's a little (more than a little actually) pointless of you to try and sell that one on me? Please don't try to impose your beliefs on me.

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WTH are you going on about now?
you quoted evil actions are your own doing. the devil he talks of is his own evil self. so I presume you believe in the devil. am I to assume that you believe the devil did make him rape the woman and not his own desires?

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I`m certain he wasn`t. I was just pointing out the pitfalls of such a scenario.:)

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It would be difficult to believe in Jesus without also accepting his nemesis. And no, I do not believe the devil 'made' him do anything. He may have offered the man the temptation to do it, but nobody held a physical or spiritual gun to his head and commanded him or controlled his actions. So far neither has he said the devil made him do it which, for not the first time are words YOU have added.

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I'm not biting Russ. and it wasn't the fairies that advised me :D

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Sweetie white mice maybe ? :angel::D

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My dog, would you believe :)

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There no requirement or expectation for you to bite. If you're feeling a bit let down that I've pointed out where you've added words to this story then that's what happens when you put your own spin on a story like this.

The man says the devil created the situation - to an extent I'll go along with that if he's talking about the temptation but it's inadmissible in court and has no justification on any level. Depending on someone's spiritual beliefs it may explain his actions but does not excuse them.

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His reported words were:

"I believe in the bible and in Christ. I abide by the rules. I was drinking and it was Satan that created this situation."

Satan didn`t order him to do it, but the implication was, that Satan set him up to do it. Perhaps he would like to be tried as a weak minded fool, & get a lessor sentance. We all have the "Devil" in us sometimes, when we do things we wouldnt ordinarily do, but attempted rape isnt one of them.

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The point is on spiritual/christian level he is correct (we believe satan puts temptation in the way of us all in the hope we'll take it). But again I stress it's totally wrong to use that as a defence in court and on a moral level, no matter what our beliefs may be, we are ultimately responsible for our actions. We make the decision to commit acts.

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Absoloo......Absolutel.........Dead right. Bring on the vasaline, (with broken glass).:D

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Russ I just added my view, as did you.
Satan did not create any situation, as you say. the situation was there and he acted on it out of his own free will.

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and big bad Bubba :)

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Why is it when people comit stupid things like this ffs they come up with stupid explinations?

I remember being told about a guy who used to drink at our local pub before people got to know what he was like and he never returned.

He went to prison for sexual assault on a 13 year old boy years ago, he basically kidnapped him from Swansea and took him to Cardiff to comit the act and the reason that he give was "the boy was being friendly and he thought he was gay and wanted it" What the hell are these people on?? Thats like saying if we are friendly to one another now we are making sexual advances to each other.

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Don't be so insolent. That's not what I said and you know it.

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Just lock him up and forget about him.

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Maybe he was trying to show he had mental problems? After all, while belief in deities is not a sign of mental illness, people who do have mental problems have been known to state that they have been commanded to do something by God.

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And in this case, the Devil.
he daren't say God put temptation in his way for this one :)

anyway I think he'll plead insanity and go through psychiatric evaluation. where a normal rape case goes by DNA and the word of the victim.

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It is a possible excuse for him to use, & for all we know he could be unbalanced. It will all come out in the end, but in my view, sexual assault should be punishable irrespective of the mental state of the attacker.

I hold very, very harsh views on the criminally insane.

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Given the choice between sending him to the Scrubs and Eritrea, I vote for Eritrea.

However, i'm not overly optimistic on his chances of being deported? We have our multiculturalism to think of!

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Multiculturalism eh... I now wait for someone to tell us to forget blaming the devil and blame immigration instead.

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Well Floods were blamed on gays lol

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So you want the country's prisons hosting foreign nationals (and thus you and i paying for them) instead of just shipping them back to wherever they came from? That's a very surprising change of political stance you've made there.

Bearing in mind the only things you know about this guy is he's black Eritrean and attempted rape due to his religion.................

Are you telling us Christianity is a foreign, non-British religion and thus incompatible with Great Britain?

Christianity is perhaps the most dominant religion in Africa so i can sort of see why you've got your generic "It's PC gawn mad!" quips mixed up.

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Did you phrase that wrong?

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[QUOTE=Niles Crane;34904460]So you want the country's prisons hosting foreign nationals (and thus you and i paying for them) instead of just shipping them back to wherever they came from? That's a very surprising change of political stance you've made there.



Bearing in mind the only things you know about this guy is he's black Eritrean and attempted rape due to his religion.................

so rape is a part of the christian faith is it??

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No, it's face value. If you're implying i might believe this man's reasoning or that he even believes it himself, then again; no.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;34904466]Over your head, as expected.

Clearly not. So go ahead and explain how this man is of another culture and what part of that culture condones rape.

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The way you've said it says he attempted to rape someone due to his religion.
that's how it looks to me and even Papa. I bet it reads that way to many others too.
I'm not having a dig. that's why I asked if you want to rephrase it :)

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I have always stood for deporting foreign criminals. had the guy actually raped the woman I would be calling for the death penalty. But, as I`m off to Spain for a couple of weeks, I felt generous, so, 10 years hard Labour, in a cell with big Bubba.

Don`t care about his colour, religion, or anything else.

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Well that's exactly how it's meant to look. If he didn't believe in the bible and Christ, he wouldn't believe in Satan.

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[QUOTE=Niles Crane;34904468]No, it's face value. If you're implying i might believe this man's reasoning or that he even believes it himself, then again; no.

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and clearly over yours ,i asked a question [brain in gear before engaging mouth ]:dunce:

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I know, that's why i'm surprised you'd want him in a British prison for 10 years, instead of immediately deported and in a Eritrean prison for 10 years. It's even more surprising, as i think it's a pretty good bet he'd have a much worse time of it in Eritrea.

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and he wouldn't try to rape someone?

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;34904480]I've answered your question. Eyes in gear before engaging mouth!

Please do me the honour of answering mine. I'll simplify it for you:

What part of being a Christian black man from Eritrea is relevant to multiculturalism in the UK? The Christian part? The black part? The male part? The Eritean part?

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By his logic, clearly.

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[QUOTE=Niles Crane;34904491]why the hell is your every post about BLACK this and black that ? get over your colour obsession .until you do i'm ignoring you .

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This guy can blame his actions on anyone he likes. Satan, God, Bin Lid, Blair etc, it wont make any difference when he is sentenced. He is responsible for his own actions.

It appears that he is blaming the Devil for orchestrating the crime. Back in the middle ages, (or today in the Middle East) someone may actually listen to him.

Pity its not 1609, then we could smoke him on a cross.:D

Lets keep this light hearted, its not worth getting annoyed about.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;34904497]I hate to reference such a ridiculous and pointless news story, but this response is much akin to Stephen Fry, with an added essence of fultile attacking the arguer when unable to attack the argument.

Most of my posts in response to you and others of your ilk are "black this, black that" because your posts and threads are "black this, black that".

Please do us all a favour and get over your colour obsession, then i won't have to pick you up on it. If you want to display your ignorance unchallenged, then this probably isn't the forum for you.

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what is that annoying squeak .

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And there I was thinking that our government relaxed immigration rules to push a multicultural agenda by allowing increased numbers of ethnic minorities. Although it could be another Tony Blair and Labour government i'm thinking of.

p.s. I do appreciate the effort you have put in to try and flame me, although it is rather pathetic. D-, must try harder.

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Unless this man's culture is different and/or has direct relevance his attempted rape, then like i said; it's just a generic "It's PC gawn mad!" quip with no real relevance. You might as well bemoan an increase in birth rate among the born and bred British.

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Either

1. Point out where I have said that his culture or religion has a direct relevence to the rape

or

2. STFU and stop trying to paint me as some little Englander in lieu of any real discussion or facts.

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1. So you admit your reference to multiculturalism is pointless and redundant then?

2. Yes, some real discussion and facts would be good from you too, instead of irrelevant comments about multiculturalism. Oh, and i've painted you as nothing. If you don't want to be challenged, then perhaps you should follow your own net speak advice.

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I don't think this goverment loosening immigration controls and then failing to deport people as some messed up Labour-initiated social experiement is neither pointless or redundant at all. This has been publicised for years particularly recently.

I don't mind being challenged on me beliefs. I just don't like users like you trying to paint me as your preferred villain by reconstituting my posts in whatever way makes sense in your mind.

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This is not only aimed at you, but both those who are apparently anti-multiculturalism or pro-multiculturalism:

Going from what we know, the thought that this man is anything to do with multiculturalism is odd. As far as i'm aware, Christianity is part of British history and culture. As are black people. As are Africans (Eritrea in was formerly under British rule, as well), whether they were born in Africa or not. So unless you're disputing this, then there's nothing we know about this man which indicates his culture is any different than the average British man. As far as i'm concerned there's a big difference between multiculturalism and immigration.

Yes, and i don't like people being painted as outsiders or of another culture, in their own country. This painting almost always comes in response to or reasoning for a negative aspect of the person or peoples. If somebody posted a thread about a black, foreign born African, Christian man saving a woman from being raped is anybody going to be mentioning a single thing about multiculturalism? No, and rightly so.

This isn't particularly about this man, it's about every other similar person in this country, of which there are millions. At one moment, they're told to integrate and do as the Romans do, at another they're deemed as tools of a government plot of "multiculturalism".

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And that's the reason i'm going to ignore your posts from now on.

Good day to you.

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That's very odd. You've clearly ignored them already or completely misunderstood, otherwise you'd realise i was specifically stating i'm not attempting to attack you personally and my objections also apply to those who have no relevance to you or your opinions.

I thought a proper discussion about the issue was about to unfold. Never mind.

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Yet again you either misread the whole story, misunderstood it or just added your own version to make it religion-bashing.


Plenty of people today would listen to him, myself included. I would agree with him if he's saying the devil set up the circumstances. But to use it as a defence or an excuse? No way. The devil put the temptation in front of him (just as he does with everyone in any given situation) but it was his own decision to act on it. He had the ability to ignore the woman he attacked. He chose not to. He is to blame.

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No, I've read it the way it reads.

He doesn't do it to me, because I don't believe in him.

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Nowhere does it say he attempted to rape someone due to his religion.

Regardless of whether you believe in him, this is what the devil does to all. The difference-maker is whether or not we act on the temptations, that's what makes use guilty or not guilty as in this case.

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Unless I had written it the way he did.

No he doesn't.
he only does it if you believe in him.

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Russ, Gary was responding to me not the story.

You know that's what the devil does to all, regardless of belief, because you know the devil exists. To those who are atheist, they know the devil does not exist, so is completely irrelevant.

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Thank you for clearing that up Niles. :)

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OK so we're clear he didn't rape anyone "due to his religion"? Good.

Well we get told enough times "it's all rubbish" etc so I just thought I'd try imposing my views on others for a change. Seems like some don't like it.....

Whatever the beliefs, if this guy is saying the devil made him do it or even if the devil is responsible for the rape then he'll find sympathy and understanding to be very scarce.

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I was trying to clear that up earlier while you wasn't here.

Yes, of course you did, Russ. :rolleyes:

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The nutter was jailed for 4 years.
the devil had all charges dropped.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8396415.stm

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Not deported then???? How very disappointing

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errrmmm since hes an assylum seeker shouldnt he really have been deported?