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Kymmy 24-10-2009 10:55

Formula 1 2010 Season [may contain real time spoilers]
 
As the last race of the 2009 season is upon us and already there's major talk/rumours of transfers/donington/rules/teams for 2010 I thought it's about time we had a new thread :)

Once the drivers are confirmed I'll put up the same poll as last year

webcrawler2050 24-10-2009 11:56

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8322334.stm

Button in frame for McLaren drive

That would be one hell of a season if this happened. Thoughts?

Kymmy 24-10-2009 12:12

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Already posted in the other thread...but remember that the news article is just a rumour, Button's agent is saying that Brawn are dragging thier heals over 2010 drivers and Kimi who is McLaren's first choice is uncontactable regarding this matter (he's probably peeved at Ferrari)

Jon T 24-10-2009 12:20

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I know one of the guys that Marshalls at Donnigton, or should I say ex-marshall.......they were given their P45's on Thursday.

sherer 24-10-2009 13:01

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lets just hope Silverstone can do a deal. With Moto GP at the circuit too things are looking good on the investment front as long as Bernie doesn't want stupid money for it

SnoopZ 24-10-2009 14:09

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Bernie says F1 doesn't need the British GP and if Silverstone won't pay the going rate we could lose the race.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...24093032.shtml

Hom3r 24-10-2009 15:58

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Yet again Bernie is thinking about his own pocket before the fans.

Bye bye bernie, don't forget to shut the door on the way out.

I cannot say what I want to say about bernie on this forum, as I'ld get banned for life.

webcrawler2050 24-10-2009 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34896910)
Yet again Bernie is thinking about his own pocket before the fans.

Bye bye bernie, don't forget to shut the door on the way out.

I cannot say what I want to say about bernie on this forum, as I'ld get banned for life.

With you on that one - we need a British F1 - I aint willing to spend £100's on a plane to go to monaco and I aint prepared to spend a fortune on staying and then the ticket. Thus this year, I'm going to where it maybe, Silverstone or Donnigton. To be fair, Silverstone are "faffing" around - Donnigton aint got the cash. So it's a two way thing aswell.

Turkey Machine 24-10-2009 16:12

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Silverstone want more guarantees about their contract, but by the sounds of things Bernie's not giving it to them. The problem there is that if Bernie does say "sorry Donington, you've had your chance", then they've not only wasted the opportunity, but they've got no MotoGP, no F1, a building site, no money, and no track to race on. Better they build the bloody thing first and worry about money later. There's plenty of time to find money after the work's been done.

Silverstone could host it for 3 years guaranteed, then Bernie can re-open negotiations with Donington and/or Silverstone about hosting rights.

Better yet, why not Brands Hatch? All it needs is run-off extended in a couple of places and it'd be perfect!

hedgie 25-10-2009 10:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34896910)
Yet again Bernie is thinking about his own pocket before the fans.

Bye bye bernie, don't forget to shut the door on the way out.

I cannot say what I want to say about bernie on this forum, as I'ld get banned for life.


Could not agree more, I doubt there is better example of greed and arrogance on the planet.

Given the recent near fall outs with the board of CVC maybe there is hope. Would CVC want to be the ones to take a British GP away?

Ravenheart 29-10-2009 17:50

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Quote:

Formula 1 commercial rights holders Bernie Ecclestone has categorically insisted there will be no British Grand Prix at Donington Park next year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8332525.stm

Turkey Machine 29-10-2009 18:16

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Rosberg's outta Williams, but where next?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8331563.stm

hedgie 29-10-2009 22:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34900078)
Rosberg's outta Williams, but where next?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8331563.stm

Other websites are speculating he has signed for Mercedes and could be placed at either McLaren or Brawn.

hedgie 31-10-2009 10:13

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Kymmy, one for confirmed for the poll :)

Bruno Senna at Campos........

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79887

Kymmy 31-10-2009 10:26

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Yep, just read it myself :)

BBC report @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8311919.stm

I think that Bruno is one of the very few "relatives of famous drivers" who could be succesful given time... That's the crux though will he be given time??

Hom3r 01-11-2009 13:26

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Will anybody here be watching the F1 season next year if there is no British GP?

I will have to think hard.

---------- Post added at 12:26 ---------- Previous post was at 12:21 ----------

Mandelson demands British GP fix


http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/88...l#post34901472

Kymmy 01-11-2009 13:34

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Yep, I'll be watching it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34901472)
Mandelson demands British GP fix

How can they "demand" a british GP, it's a world wide event by a private company??

alferret 01-11-2009 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34901472)
Will anybody here be watching the F1 season next year if there is no British GP?

I will have to think hard.

Without a doubt I will be watching, British GP or not, although it will be shame if we dont host a GP.

SnoopZ 01-11-2009 13:55

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I'll be watching it whatever,I hope they get the British GP sorted though.

Matty_ 01-11-2009 16:21

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Cause we`ll still probably watch it but you know with F1 it allways "go with the doe" :p:

How long till we have 4 or 5 middle east races?

Jon T 01-11-2009 16:50

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Donnington's owner has died: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8336737.stm

Kymmy 02-11-2009 12:47

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Williams have now named thier 2010 drivers

Quote:

Brazilian Rubens Barrichello and German rookie Nico Hulkenberg have been announced as Williams' new drive pairing for the 2010 Formula 1 season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8337807.stm

Turkey Machine 02-11-2009 14:22

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Bridgestone won't be renewing their contract from the end of the 2010 season to supply the tyres.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8337284.stm

SnoopZ 02-11-2009 14:43

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Red Bull are sticking with Renault as their engine suppler for 2010.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...02115313.shtml

hedgie 04-11-2009 07:30

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Looks like Sauber will get a grid slot after all. Toyota are set to pull out of F1,:( hopefully Kobayashi will get a seat with one of the other teams.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80002

Ravenheart 04-11-2009 09:40

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Toyota confirm they're quitting F1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8341602.stm

Turkey Machine 04-11-2009 10:11

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What the hell's this sport coming to? If Toyota actually reduced their costs, became a team that bought in an engine supplier, for instance, then maybe that would see favour with the board.

Kymmy 04-11-2009 10:23

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Hmmm, that's bad news for Kobayashi :(

SnoopZ 04-11-2009 11:06

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This should pave the way for Sauber to take the 13th grid spot now.

The tyre supplier Bridgestone also pulled out the other day too.

sherer 04-11-2009 11:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34903263)
What the hell's this sport coming to? If Toyota actually reduced their costs, became a team that bought in an engine supplier, for instance, then maybe that would see favour with the board.

I thing is they can't bring in another team with their engine as all the new entries were fixed so only those with Cosworth engines got in.

Renault are due to discuss their future this week to so not sure what will happen to them.

Sauber are now part of Quadbak who are a bit shady to be honest.

Maybe if F1 didn't need 60 computers running and an engineer in front of each one during a race we wouldn't be in this mess

NoKnowledge 04-11-2009 21:33

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Renault's thinking of pulling out too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8343221.stm

Edit > This is in disarray, The FIA wanted to reduce costs but the teams led by Ferrari didn't want this. The FIA need to act now as in tonight.

The tyres situation - will Michelin step in? wasn't the reason why F1 chose Bridgestone over Michelin was, Michelin didn't perform as well.

This is a global competition and if Michelin were to come in, it will look like they are second best to me.

sherer 05-11-2009 11:55

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Michelin pulled out as they couldn't see the point in being a single tyre supplier. With one in there the only time they would get publicity was during a failure etc. That's why Bridgestone came up with the stupid two tyre rules so they were still talked about.

Renault have been thinking about leaving for awhile. In fact the reason they didn't get punished for crashgate was because if they did then they would have left the sport instead

Kymmy 05-11-2009 13:08

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Ferrari have now opened thier big mouths

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8344166.stm

Quote:

Ferrari has said that those in charge of Formula 1 have "waged war" against the major car manufacturers, leading to the withdrawal of several teams

NoKnowledge 05-11-2009 13:09

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I like it, Ferrari need to step up.

SnoopZ 05-11-2009 18:58

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Renault will decide by the end of the year whether they're staying in F1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8345394.stm

Matty_ 05-11-2009 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34904246)
Ferrari have now opened thier big mouths

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8344166.stm

I wonder who Ferrari are refering to when they say "The guilty party was only uncovered when all the other characters died"? :scratch:

hedgie 11-11-2009 11:23

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Rumour Mill Update;;)

Source Joe Sawards blog !

Kobayashi to race for Lotus
Renault to use the Gordini brand as the their sporting focus. What chance a rebranding of the F1 team ?

M

mr_bo 14-11-2009 10:36

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Jenson visits McLaren,

Quote:

A McLaren spokesman said: "Having just landed at Heathrow, Jenson made a small detour to Woking to say a quick hello."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/default.stm

2 British world champs for a British team that can afford and know how to build a fast car, interesting.

I think that would be a good thing.

Flyboy 14-11-2009 22:05

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Hmm, don't know about that. The internal competition would be difficult to handle, I would have thought. Look at the trouble Alonso caused, it cost them over one hundred million pounds and a loss of all their points for the 2007 season. For the competition to be kept interesting, I would like to think that they were competing not only as teams, but as drivers as well.

Kymmy 16-11-2009 13:03

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8362295.stm

Quote:

German car giant Mercedes has bought the Brawn Formula 1 team in a move that is likely to see Jenson Button join McLaren as Lewis Hamilton's team-mate.

Flyboy 16-11-2009 13:18

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Now that is a shame. This sport needs grassroots teams like Brawn to keep the competition alive. It will look even more like a prestige car showroom now.

Pierre 16-11-2009 16:11

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On the contrary with Honda, Toyota, BMW and possibly Renault all pulling out it's quite encouraging for a big manuafacturer to invest in the sport.

Hopefully there will be several more teams including USF1 and Lotus next year to mix it up a bit.

Personally I'm hoping Antony Davidson gets a drive somewhere.

Looks like Jenson will most likely end up at Mclaren - that will be fun. The last time Mclaren had an all brit team was back with Brundle and Blundell if I remember correctly.

Flyboy 16-11-2009 16:46

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I feel a repeat of Alonso and Hamilton coming on. I hope I'm wrong, but as JB will be paid far less than Hamilton, so, I think some friction is inevitable.

Hom3r 16-11-2009 19:07

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I'll give you evens thet JB will be with LH next year.

Turkey Machine 16-11-2009 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34910552)
On the contrary with Honda, Toyota, BMW and possibly Renault all pulling out it's quite encouraging for a big manuafacturer to invest in the sport.

Hopefully there will be several more teams including USF1 and Lotus next year to mix it up a bit.

Personally I'm hoping Antony Davidson gets a drive somewhere.

Looks like Jenson will most likely end up at Mclaren - that will be fun. The last time Mclaren had an all brit team was back with Brundle and Blundell if I remember correctly.

Corrected, 1980, John Watson and Stephen South.

Not sure if it's a good or bad move for Button to be looking to drive that Macca, but with Mercedes engines, a great car to base next year's model on, and a team-mate guaranteed to not be a pushover for the title, I'd love to see him stick it to Hamilton!

hedgie 17-11-2009 07:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34910608)
I'll give you evens thet JB will be with LH next year.

With Rosberg and Heidfeld at Brawn..:)

Even the though the race team and engine factory are both in the UK whats the betting the team will be registered as German.;)

No obvious room for Raikkonen on the grid. Would he go to Renault alongside Kubica or will there be pressure for a French driver in a Blue and White Renault Gordini ??

sherer 17-11-2009 09:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34910721)
Corrected, 1980, John Watson and Stephen South.

The team would have been a US team then too as Teddy Mayer owned them.

Depends on the personalities of the drivers too I think Hamilton and Button might be able to race against each other better than with Alonso and Hamilton.

McLaren only produce a good car every other year so looks like next year is the year to be there.

A lot will also depend on how the car drives will it suit both their styles

j52c 17-11-2009 09:51

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...laren-contract

If this is true then it is Lewis and Jenson next year.

Maclaren will still be supplied with Merc engines through the 2015 season but don't be surprised if the following season Maclaren are using their own engines.

One thing for sure JB will be a better partner than Kovi.

Kymmy 17-11-2009 11:03

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I said it in the 2009 thread, although I don;t like JB (and never hid that fact) I'd love to see him at McLaren. A team with a truely British theme to it would really get the press who have had a lot of bad things to report about F1 this last year (and of course a few good things) behind the sport more and more in this country like in Italy, Brazil...etc..

---------- Post added at 10:03 ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 ----------

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8363770.stm
Quote:

The new Manor Grand Prix team have signed the German Timo Glock as their lead driver for their debut season in Formula 1 in 2010.


hedgie 18-11-2009 11:23

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Raikkonen is officially taking a sabattical.

Source autosport.

Brawn are still stating negotiations are ongoing with JB and that the McLaren media specualtion is not helping......

Kymmy 18-11-2009 12:34

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8363892.stm

It's now official(ish) JB is with McLaren

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 12:41

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[2pennies]Jenson at McLaren won't last. I don't even rate him. He only did what he did because of the legend that is Ross Brawn.

Jenson should have stayed with Brawn.[/2pennies]

Mr_love_monkey 18-11-2009 12:52

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hmm.. I don't rate JB either - he did very well when his car was better than everyone else's - but if they'd all started off on an even keel he'd be nowhere near the top of the points.

I think the second half of the season showed his driving ability, whilst good, isn't good enough.

Flyboy 18-11-2009 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34911430)
Raikkonen is officially taking a sabattical.

Source autosport.

Brawn are still stating negotiations are ongoing with JB and that the McLaren media specualtion is not helping......

Could this be the same "sabbatical" that Häkkinen took?

---------- Post added at 12:21 ---------- Previous post was at 12:20 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34911457)
hmm.. I don't rate JB either - he did very well when his car was better than everyone else's - but if they'd all started off on an even keel he'd be nowhere near the top of the points.

I think the second half of the season showed his driving ability, whilst good, isn't good enough.

Could that be the reason why he is moving to McLaren? Either to get a better car, or to use the car as an excuse for not performing as a champion should?

Pierre 18-11-2009 13:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34911457)
hmm.. I don't rate JB either - he did very well when his car was better than everyone else's - but if they'd all started off on an even keel he'd be nowhere near the top of the points.

I think the second half of the season showed his driving ability, whilst good, isn't good enough.

What, you mean the same way Hamilton only won because his car was better than everyone elses?

People seem to forget that, at the start of the season, while Jenson was doing well because he had the best car, Hamilton was at the other end of the grid because his car wasn't any good.

Only when his car improved did Hamilton start moveing up the grid.

Very rarely has a driver with an inferior car won a championship, in fact the only person that regularly made a car outperform itself was Schumacher in the late 90's when he raced the arse off an inferior Ferrari, but he still failed to beat the Williams of Villneuve and Mclaren of Hakkinen. Only when Ferrari got the car right did Schmacher start winning his championships.

IMO, all these people who are saying that Button only won because he had the best car do not understand F1 very much.

Yes, he had the best car and yes he won, he should have been winning. Later in the year when the other teams caught up he still managed to hang in there and continue to score points, that's what won him the championship.

Towards the end of the year Redbull had the best car -guess what - they started winning.

We'll see next year. I don't think Hamilton will dominate button. As long as they have identical equipment.

Hom3r 18-11-2009 14:00

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Raikkonen rejects F1 for rallying

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8365967.stm

Only because he was asking for way to much

Flyboy 18-11-2009 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34911473)
What, you mean the same way Hamilton only won because his car was better than everyone elses?

People seem to forget that, at the start of the season, while Jenson was doing well because he had the best car, Hamilton was at the other end of the grid because his car wasn't any good.

Only when his car improved did Hamilton start moveing up the grid.

Very rarely has a driver with an inferior car won a championship, in fact the only person that regularly made a car outperform itself was Schumacher in the late 90's when he raced the arse off an inferior Ferrari, but he still failed to beat the Williams of Villneuve and Mclaren of Hakkinen. Only when Ferrari got the car right did Schmacher start winning his championships.

IMO, all these people who are saying that Button only won because he had the best car do not understand F1 very much.

Yes, he had the best car and yes he won, he should have been winning. Later in the year when the other teams caught up he still managed to hang in there and continue to score points, that's what won him the championship.

Towards the end of the year Redbull had the best car -guess what - they started winning.

We'll see next year. I don't think Hamilton will dominate button. As long as they have identical equipment.

I agree, in the most part. F1 is just as much about teams as it is about the individual. Schumacher would not have won as much as he did at Benetton, if he didn't have the best pit team in the business. The car is as important as the driver. If it was the cars that were winning the races for JB, how comes Barrichello was still winning?

sherer 18-11-2009 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34911473)
What, you mean the same way Hamilton only won because his car was better than everyone elses?

People seem to forget that, at the start of the season, while Jenson was doing well because he had the best car, Hamilton was at the other end of the grid because his car wasn't any good.

Only when his car improved did Hamilton start moveing up the grid.

Very rarely has a driver with an inferior car won a championship, in fact the only person that regularly made a car outperform itself was Schumacher in the late 90's when he raced the arse off an inferior Ferrari, but he still failed to beat the Williams of Villneuve and Mclaren of Hakkinen. Only when Ferrari got the car right did Schmacher start winning his championships.

IMO, all these people who are saying that Button only won because he had the best car do not understand F1 very much.

Yes, he had the best car and yes he won, he should have been winning. Later in the year when the other teams caught up he still managed to hang in there and continue to score points, that's what won him the championship.

Towards the end of the year Redbull had the best car -guess what - they started winning.

We'll see next year. I don't think Hamilton will dominate button. As long as they have identical equipment.

very true, and until the powers that be remove the over reliance on the car and the wind tunnel programme we are stuck with never really knowing who is the best driver each year

Flyboy 18-11-2009 18:08

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Breaking news:

VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES SIGNS REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION JENSON BUTTON TO MULTI-YEAR DEAL

webcrawler2050 18-11-2009 18:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911567)

Going to be very very interesting, how the "internal" issues with be dealt with. However, it's a British team, with British drivers. Going to be a very very interesting drive.

Flyboy 18-11-2009 18:11

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These stats are telling of the prospects of who will dominate the next year's season:

Jenson Button (GBR)
Date of birth: 19 January 1980 (29)
World championships: 1 (2009)
Wins: 7
Pole positions: 7

Points: 327
GP starts: 170

Lewis Hamilton (GBR)
Date of birth: 7 January 1985 (24)
World championships: 1 (2008)
Wins: 11
Pole positions: 17

Points: 256
GP starts: 52

webcrawler2050 18-11-2009 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911569)
These stats are telling of the prospects of who will dominate the next year's season:

Jenson Button (GBR)
Date of birth: 19 January 1980 (29)
World championships: 1 (2009)
Wins: 7
Pole positions: 7

Points: 327
GP starts: 170

Lewis Hamilton (GBR)
Date of birth: 7 January 1985 (24)
World championships: 1 (2008)
Wins: 11
Pole positions: 17

Points: 256
GP starts: 52

I'll give you that. Everyone is "expecting" Hamilton & Button now, to Shine!!

but there are other variables to take into consideration..

What if McLaren, do the same as last year, totally mess things up and bye-bye.

What is Hamilton buckles under the pressure, the same goes for Button..

There are so many variables, on paper we all know who the most likely person is to win but, I know who I want to win but I am not putting my money on anyone, of course, Ill be following McLaren as I have done since the days of MH & DC.

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911567)

I don't get it,

whats the difference between yours and post#51

webcrawler2050 18-11-2009 18:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34911574)
I don't get it,

whats the difference between yours and post#51

Ones from BBC - the other is from McLaren..

Flyboy 18-11-2009 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34911574)
I don't get it,

whats the difference between yours and post#51

oops: Ooops! Missed that one:doh:

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911577)
oops: Ooops! Missed that one:doh:

I thought my eyes were failing me.
I thought there was something more toit

Turkey Machine 18-11-2009 19:38

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Why do I reckon JB's sold his soul?

Also, the BBC are reporting that Rosberg seems to have signed a deal with Brawn / Mercedes as guaranteed, despite them not having confirmed anything yet.

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 19:55

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Just going back over the news of the BrawnGP part buy-out. I have heard that BrawnGP are to be called the Silver Arrow Mercedes, but on the BBC site it says it's to be called Mercedes Grand Prix.
Anybody?

Kymmy 18-11-2009 19:59

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The team name can be different from the owning companies name. The full press release on the brawn site details it fully

http://www.brawngp.com/readstory.asp...C1%AA%C0rZ%7Cg

SnoopZ 18-11-2009 20:00

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I heard it was Mercedes GP.

Kymmy 18-11-2009 20:02

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Silver Arrows is the original name for the cars and dates back 75 years.

In other news The company that ran the Donington bid has gone into administration

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/8366581.stm

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 20:08

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34911620)
The team name can be different from the owning companies name. The full press release on the brawn site details it fully

http://www.brawngp.com/readstory.asp...C1%AA%C0rZ%7Cg

Ahhh so, the behind the scenes (the mechanical and testers and designers) guys are the Silver Arrow team and the big front (the one that brings the money in) is Mercedes GP.

Am I in the right ball park?

webcrawler2050 18-11-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34911630)
Ahhh so, the behind the scenes (the mechanical and testers and designers) guys are the Silver Arrow team and the big front (the one that brings the money in) is Mercedes GP.

Am I in the right ball park?


Sounds about right to me!!

Flyboy 18-11-2009 20:39

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34911620)
The team name can be different from the owning companies name. The full press release on the brawn site details it fully

http://www.brawngp.com/readstory.asp...C1%AA%C0rZ%7Cg

Not so sure that's quite within the rules. I am probably wrong, but isn't there something to do with the constructors, who must own the intellectual rights for the chassis and the entrants have to be same.

dev 18-11-2009 21:02

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34911570)
What if McLaren, do the same as last year, totally mess things up and bye-bye.

They won't do what they did last year for 2 reasons:

1. The current cars aero package can be mostly carried over and so no total redesign is needed
2. They started next years car earlier because they weren't busy trying to win a title this year.

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34911608)
Also, the BBC are reporting that Rosberg seems to have signed a deal with Brawn / Mercedes as guaranteed, despite them not having confirmed anything yet.

From what I've read, it's common knowledge in F1 circles that Rosberg signed a deal with Mercedes before the takeover of Brawn and is likely to be announced as a driver soon.

Kymmy 18-11-2009 21:18

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911651)
Not so sure that's quite within the rules. I am probably wrong, but isn't there something to do with the constructors, who must own the intellectual rights for the chassis and the entrants have to be same.

So how do you explain the Torro Rosso team that's owned by Red bull (yes I know that Torro Rosso is Spanish for Red Bull but the team name is different than the company name)

No matter what the team is called the owners can have a different name, for the constructors championship the team name is taken.

Flyboy 18-11-2009 21:32

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Hmm, I seem to remember that there was some controversy over this at the time. Perhaps it was settled in the usual way.;)

NoKnowledge 18-11-2009 21:50

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34911673)
Perhaps it was settled in the usual way.;)

Russian roulette? :shrug: :p:

sherer 18-11-2009 23:52

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as long as it's the same team the name of the holding company and the team name doesn't really matter.

Ferrari are Ferrari Spa ( i think) but the team is Scuderia Ferrari, McLaren is McLaren Cars, which is owned by The McLaren Group but the team is Vodaphone McLaren Mercedes

hedgie 19-11-2009 11:04

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With the Button McLaren move now finalised, it seems Raikkonen could after all stay in F1 and pop up at Brawn. :confused:

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Although Raikkonen said recently that it was McLaren or nothing for him in F1 next year, Button's shock exit from the former Brawn GP team may have changed the situation.
autosport.com - F1 News: Raikkonen would consider Mercedes

Flyboy 19-11-2009 11:14

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Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34911677)
Russian roulette? :shrug: :p:

If only all F1 disputes could be handled that way, I think there would lot less of them. :D:D

sherer 19-11-2009 12:06

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34911872)
With the Button McLaren move now finalised, it seems Raikkonen could after all stay in F1 and pop up at Brawn. :confused:



autosport.com - F1 News: Raikkonen would consider Mercedes

if they wouldn't pay Button who won the WDC for them I can't see them paying even more for Kimi. Kimi didn't go to McLaren as they wouldn't pay him enough

hedgie 19-11-2009 12:55

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34911899)
if they wouldn't pay Button who won the WDC for them I can't see them paying even more for Kimi. Kimi didn't go to McLaren as they wouldn't pay him enough

Hence the confusion :confused: in my post ?

Do Mercedes need a top driver ? Are Rosberg & Heidfeld really Top Gun material ?

Some press reports have stated that being in a winning car is more important than the money for Kimi !!!

So Lewis & Jenson believe McLaren have a winning car yet Raikkonen would prefer Brawn (Mercedes) :confused:

Other press releases, including one from Nick Fry at Brawn state that the media speculation regarding their offer to Jenson was no where near the true package on offer so maybe they have enough cash for Kimi ? :confused: :confused:

webcrawler2050 19-11-2009 14:44

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34911927)
Hence the confusion :confused: in my post ?

Do Mercedes need a top driver ? Are Rosberg & Heidfeld really Top Gun material ?

Some press reports have stated that being in a winning car is more important than the money for Kimi !!!

So Lewis & Jenson believe McLaren have a winning car yet Raikkonen would prefer Brawn (Mercedes) :confused:

Other press releases, including one from Nick Fry at Brawn state that the media speculation regarding their offer to Jenson was no where near the true package on offer so maybe they have enough cash for Kimi ? :confused: :confused:

Yes Mercedes do need a "top" driver. The Roseburg, hasn;t exactly shown what hes made of yet.

Tough choice for Raikkonen, maybe he just needs a break after been stabbed in the back by Ferrari? who knows.. either way, I want to see him in F1 and Mercedes should pull their finger out, if they want a return on their investment. Otherwise, Merc, I think will be at "the back of the pack"

sherer 19-11-2009 16:49

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Kimi has already been paid 20m before he's even raced this year based on Ferrari buying out his contract. If he had the desire he could have raced for free at McLaren. They said McLaren couldn't afford him so i think that says it all

webcrawler2050 19-11-2009 18:48

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34912034)
Kimi has already been paid 20m before he's even raced this year based on Ferrari buying out his contract. If he had the desire he could have raced for free at McLaren. They said McLaren couldn't afford him so i think that says it all

Indeed I think Mercedes are waisting their time with the current "lineup" they, seems to have thrown millions at it already, so it doesn't seem to make sense, whey they are cheaping out on drivers. Of course, they could always bring Schumi back LOL

From what I see they want German drivers, I understand that decision but at the same time, Roseburg is just pants and or not been given a decent car to compete.

hedgie 20-11-2009 14:55

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Frank Williams and Patrick Head have sold a minority in the team "between 10% and 49%" to an investment firm headed by Toto Wolff.

autosport.com - F1 News: Williams says he will stay in control

Flyboy 20-11-2009 15:14

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34912503)
Frank Williams and Patrick Head have sold a minority in the team "between 10% and 49%" to an investment firm headed by Toto Wolff.

autosport.com - F1 News: Williams says he will stay in control

Talk about journalists hedging their bets. I don't suppose there are any chances of them coming up with a more accurate figure.

Kymmy 20-11-2009 15:17

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Of course, I believe it's now between 10.1% and 48.9%

Flyboy 20-11-2009 15:22

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That's better, it's a little clearer now. :D

webcrawler2050 20-11-2009 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34912503)
Frank Williams and Patrick Head have sold a minority in the team "between 10% and 49%" to an investment firm headed by Toto Wolff.

autosport.com - F1 News: Williams says he will stay in control


I say good on him. Nice to see to be honest. I so want Williams to do "more" they have the potential me thinks!

---------- Post added at 16:04 ---------- Previous post was at 14:40 ----------

BBC Sport - F1 - Michael Schumacher 'will drive for Mercedes F1 in 2010'

Michael Schumacher 'will drive for Mercedes F1 in 2010

EDITED: I note BBC F1 have changed it too "
Mercedes want Michael Schumacher to drive in F1 team"

Hom3r 20-11-2009 17:45

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34912538)
I say good on him. Nice to see to be honest. I so want Williams to do "more" they have the potential me thinks!

---------- Post added at 16:04 ---------- Previous post was at 14:40 ----------

BBC Sport - F1 - Michael Schumacher 'will drive for Mercedes F1 in 2010'

Michael Schumacher 'will drive for Mercedes F1 in 2010

OMG:shocked:

There goes a flying pig:D

Kymmy 20-11-2009 17:51

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34912608)
OMG:shocked:

There goes a flying pig:D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/03/38.gif

Flyboy 20-11-2009 17:51

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Not a good choice. It is unlikely he can now beat the younger fresher talent on the grid today. He hasn't driven competitively since two thousand and six. It has not been a very successful course for many drivers who take "sabbaticals."

Turkey Machine 20-11-2009 17:54

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I cite N. Lauda as a successful driver who took a sabbatical. ;)

webcrawler2050 20-11-2009 18:00

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I doubit will happen. Would be interesting and certainly throws a spanner in the works.

sherer 20-11-2009 18:01

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well seeing as that article is based on quotes from Eddie Jordan I don't give it much credit

Kymmy 22-11-2009 13:57

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9th December is the deadline for the British GP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8371266.stm

SnoopZ 23-11-2009 13:44

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Confirmed, Nico Rosberg to drive for MercedesGP in 2010.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8374154.stm

webcrawler2050 23-11-2009 13:48

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 34914319)
Confirmed, Nico Rosberg to drive for MercedesGP in 2010.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8374154.stm

I understand that Brawn want "German" drivers, however, Rosburg, is in my opinion a poor choice. He isn't nothing special, I don't see Brawn winning and races / championships with Rosburg, however, I could be mistaken...


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