Drunk student shows no respect for soldiers
 

:rolleyes:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...pub-crawl.html

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They should let him visit the local army barracks and introduce him to the lads in the mess behind closed doors, where the squaddies could instil a bit of respect into him:D

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Words fail me :(

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He has ruined the rest of his life. People don't forget something like that.

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Put him in colchester military nick for a week that will sort him out.

He's just ****

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Slap in wih the lads in the local regement. :D

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Better still ban him from alcohol for life and make him clean every war memorial in the country.. Violence insn't gonna stop him from doing it again if he gets in that drunken state

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Mind you they don;t have to be drunk to be idiots :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8309714.stm

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It's horrible and out of order that he did this but it's a bit much to say it will ruin the rest of his life :rolleyes:

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I wonder if the lads in the local garrison will be on the lookout for this contemptable little turd....

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to be honest i think the company who organized this "pub crawl"should feel a little guilty.They are actively encouraging students to go out and get absolutely bladdered.Now I'm not averse to a bit of a drink myself and like a good knees up but this type of binge drinking is dangerous for these kids ,they have not much experience in how to drink responsibly and could suffer lasting damage to their health
apart from that these kids are supposed to be university students ,the academic elite of this country ,these people are going to be running the country and in high power jobs in 15-20yrs time lets hope they've grown up a bit by then or god help us all

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Some good points there..I think it was extremely irresponsible to organise an event like this.

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I think to say that he should be taught respect isn't right. He clearly did not do this as a conscious act to disrespect the dead, he just got really really drunk. Past the point where he is aware of his own actions or consequences. I don't think anything was going though his mind.

He seems horrified at what he did. He has to live with it and the fact he made it into a national paper. He will have a hard time living it down.

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I think the lad deserves a bit of sympathy since from the photograph he clearly is suffering from pixelated penis.

Who knows what affect such an affliction can have on behaviour. There's potential for a phd here for somebody as I've never saw any photographic evidence of people with unpixelated penis' performing such acts. :D

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Damien, I have to strongly disagree. No matter how drunk anyone gets, they are always responsible for their actions!

Drivers who drink to excess and then get caught behind the wheel of their car are still held responsible. People who stay up all night, then fall asleep behind the wheel of their motor vehicle are help accountable for their actions, if they cause an accident.... So why should people who get blattered of their faces and urinate whereever they feel like get a free pass.... We are responsible for our actions at all times, not just when its convenient.....

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I do hope so.


In fact i hope he is now wondering if someone will find him and explain to him how to behave in future

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:clap:

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quite agree EOB ,so let this be a lesson to all you students

it's not big(especially in his case)and it's not clever

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Yeah baby I'm all for that. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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I am not saying he is not responsible for his actions and he himself agrees.

I am saying though that I think you need to actively want to disrespect this soldiers for that to be valid. In other words I think he meant no malice in his actions, indeed I don't think he was thinking about it. Which makes it slightly less aggravating. This is not a evil or sick person willingly defacing a grave, it's a stupid guy doing something stupid when he is drunk.

Obviously he will have to pay some penalty but I don't think he deserves the anger that will be directed at him as if he logically wanted to make a statement about the soldiers.

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Surely they will have better things to do like getting ready to fight in an unwinnable war?

You know I agree with that, even though it was a horrible thing he did it's not like he actually knew what he was doing or meant any malice towards the soldiers memory

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Well maybe you should look a bit closer at the photos as he is aiming at the top of the memorial with its wreaths and not at the side, a real pity it was not electrified.

Being drunk is not an excuse for what he has done.:mad:

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Not an 'excuse' but it's not evidence that he feels any malice or disrespect to the soldiers. It's an very stupid act that was committed under the influence of alcohol. People are acting like he is a spiteful, evil, sod.

He seems to be genuinely apologetic. He just needs the suitable punishment and not a pitchfork routine. Just chalk it up to a lack of judgement and move on.

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As I said above he was aiming to get on top of the memorial not the side of it, and if it was not for the soldiers it remembers I would not like to think what would have happened to him under the regime we defeated in 2 World Wars if he urinated on their memorial.

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Well I wasn't there so I can't say if or what he was aiming for (if anything).

He was drunk and has been shamed for it so he would have learnt his lesson.

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do drunken students show any respect for anything ?

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I was a drunken student once and urinated against a church wall, so no, I don't think it goes through your head what you're thinking and it's not a middle finger to anyone, you work like a dog, you find a vertical surface and go ;)

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What do you think is a suitable punishment, being thrown out of uni?

Philip Laing, 19, has left his student digs after being ordered to stay away from Sheffield Hallam University while tutors decide whether to expel him.

http://dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view...ial-for-heroes

Btw I tend to agree with you, he messed up really bad but then we have all done stupid things when slaughtered, I mean he was so wrecked he even gave the reportors his name! I'd have said a suitable punishment would be for him to clean the memorial every Sunday morning until further notice but then I guess he'd prefer the beating some members here have suggested rather than being expelled.

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Maybe an apology. Which he has given. Then a couple of days community service with the Royal British Legion. He certainly does not deserve expulsion, and the fact his name has been printed in the national press is pretty bad public humiliation for him.

I mean there is no evidence he is a bad guy, just that he did something stupid.

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1. Yes. He should be punished.
2. The punishment should fit the crime.
3. This continues to expose just how ridiculous our legal system is: Lad gets drunk on night out, pees on war memorial, gets photo taken, gets caught, is going to be prosecuted, ends up all over the news, might get kicked out of Uni, is publicly shamed and villified. Youths torture and kill small child, get new identities and state pays for them for the rest of their lives.....super.

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Time for a bloody revolution me thinks ? ;)

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His actions were deplorable but the "hang em high" brigade are now on his case and he doesn't deserve what's now inevitably coming his way.

It seems likely he could be thrown out of university. That's a disgrace. The punishment needs to fit the crime. He's going to end up with a criminal record, no university course, no job, no future. All because he got too drunk and did something he shouldn't.

Whilst remaining appalled at what he did, if he is chucked out of university it is a step too far. Where has the compassion gone in our society? He made an error of judgement. Who hasn't? Give the lad another chance.

I know of three "old soldiers", not one of them supports chucking him out of university.

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I heard on the radio today, that the British legion are looking for more volunteers, especially younger people to help with their poppy day appeal.
Maybe this could be a way he could show how remorseful he is, by giving up some of his free time to help such a worthy cause.

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Just as long as we keep a sense of proportion about this case it could be the making of this young man.Now he has to prove that he is better than this incident.

I am wondering whatever happened to being allowed to make mistakes and learn from them when you are young.:(

And I still lay some of the blame at the feet of whomever it was that organised a pub crawl in he first place.:rolleyes:

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I think the young man is genuinely sorry for what he did, i`d like to punch the **** out of him for being so disrespectful, but you live and learn, we all do stupid things when we`re drunk don`t we?
Hopefully he might learn this time to have a bit more respect for his elders.
Thats the way i was brought up.;)

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No and thay never will :(

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That drunk he didn't see the wreaths sorry give me a break he knew what he was peeing on and the only reason he is sorry is because like so many like him these days they think it is ok to do anything you like if you don't get caught. As for beating the hell out of him why what purpose would that serve i think it is time to bring in lifetime bans for some people on some things main ones being drink and driving always makes me laugh when we have people that are completely lousy with either get little bans repeatedly. But lets not try making up excuses for him we have all been drunk and all been busting for one but even at my worst i would know a memorial when i saw it and so did he.

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Sorry, but having been a student, and still being friends with students, I take offence at the prejudice shown in these two posts. Yobs exhibit the kind of behaviour shown by this person, and most students (in my experience) are not yobs.

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So looks like he might end up in jail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8342191.stm

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Shocking overreaction if it happens. This would be why jails are full.

Again. Stupid, idiotic, move. However considering he was very, very drunk and that he seems to be remorseful at his actions as well as having to be humiliated in the national press I think it's best to let him get on his degree. Do a week's service at the Royal British Legion.

He doesn't deserve his life ruined and a prison sentence.

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I agree jail should not be the option here.

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Even I think that's a bit harsh.

These pond life though... :afire:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8331269.stm

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It was a stupid, irresponsible act which needs addressing. But for crying out loud, prison, who will that help? Give the boy some community service, sell some Poppy's, help some pensioners, punish him, I`m sure he already feels lower than whale poop.

I`m ex Army & I don't like this sort of disrespect, but Lets keep this in perspective.

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Agreed !

I think a fine, n hours of community service, and perhaps being sent to talk to the Chelsea Pensioners would do him a bit of good....

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Contrast the suggested sentence for this one crime with the sentence for someone with many more crimes to his name.:rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0VFOxXuhA

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8342810.stm

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I agree with that one, I was talking to a Chelsea Pensioner last Saturday in our local town who was collecting for the poppy appeal, he was 93 and didn't look a day over 70, I had a good 10 minutes with him and got talking about this **** bag in Sheffield, he said the same as you let him talk to the Chelsea Pensioners.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8380214.stm

That 250 hours community service should taking up scrubbing all the war memorials they can fit in.. Preferably with a toothbrush

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And perhaps a good Beasting for at least an hour each day of his Community Service ? :angel:

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Sorry I don't see the point in this beating, surely the people who's names are on the memorial wouldn't like to see thier names sullied anymore byt beating the idiot.

Pity the people can't be sentenced to things like two years national service :rolleyes:

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Unless it was a typo I think EOB was referring to 'beasting'* as opposed to beating - I may be wrong of course, EOB may just be a total sadist...... ;)

*"the imposition of arduous exercises, either as training or as punishment; being beasted"

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beasting

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Thanks Osem, I was indeed refering to to Beasting as punishment. :)

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congratulations your officially an old fart :D welcome to the club ;)

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:clap: :LOL:

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Put a foot wrong in the Army & you would probably be in for a "Beasting", drilled for an while, doubled, any crap they can throw at you to give you a hard time. Osem is right.

I agree with the punishment though.

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Not old... well not until Sunday ;) but I do have pictures of my father doing his National Service :p:

Apologies for mis-reading the beasting into beating.. This monitors on the fritz and is a bleeding a bit at high res :(

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That or you have the eyes of a 60 year old ! :p::angel:

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Always had perfect eyesight (and by my current shooting groupings still perfect nerves as well :p: )

But already repaired this monitor twice and now it's giving up the ghost :( still my new 23" tft is in the post arriving tomorrow

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Now you're an old fart, 20-20 vision will soon be a thing of the past, a bit like a damned good sh............... ;) :D

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I think you'll find, according to Doughnut's thread, that rather than being a thing of the past, it's something that is a quite frequent occurrence as you get a bit older.....;)

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Ok, I'll bite.... What size at what range?

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Mangaged to get on a military range earlier this year and got 3" @ 200m on the old L85A2 with an old Susat (he had no ACOG's :( )

Not as good as my best when I was a weapons tech but don't get a chance to shoot much these days apart from putting some rabbits on the dinner plate up our field with a precharged

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<yorkshire accent on> Ae, when I wer't lad, we didn't have none of them fancy telescopic sights - we had proper rifles, then, like SLRs, which could knock a man down at 1000 yards (you couldn't see them, but if they got in the way, they were in trouble)<yorkshire accent off>

(They didn't half give you a nasty bruise on your shoulder, though, if you didn't tuck them in tight):D

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Yep, I joined up in early 1990, still had the old L1a1 and it's the first rifle I ever stripped down for a job.. Though not the first firearm I ever shot... ;) I was 8 when I first shot a .357 snub nose, though it did have a reduced/rubber round in it as the neighbour kept complaining that his old garage couldn't cope with any more holes... Oh the joys of being brought up in a gun orientated culture ;)

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I went in, in '88 and was trained on the old Banana as well. The re-trained on the L85 (bag of poo) and eventually the L96A1. Oh and had some fun with a m82 on a couple of occasions as well.... Like you I was shooting at a young age as well.... First on an .22 Air Rifle, then a .22 Rimfire Rifle and finally a shotty.... The joys of having family that owned a farm. :D

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Are we thinking of shooting this student now as this is well of subject.:D:D:D:D:D

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He doesn't deserve a bullet. :P

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Mind you the Chinese get it right, they'd charge the cost of the bullet to his family ;)

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Indeed.... Then harvest the internal organs for sale and transplant, then suck out any Botoxin and sell that to vain westeners to inject into their faces. Oh the irony ! :D

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LMAO. The thing is, ITS TRUE. I`m an old SLR man, It certainly packed a punch, if you hit someone with a 7.62, they didn't get up again.

<yorkshire accent on> E bar gum lad, you forgot t mentiont ringin inth ears. )<yorkshire accent off>:D

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And another one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-memorial.html