So whose buying an Ati 5xxx gfx card when they are out :).
 

As i have already been promised a 5870X2 when they are released (looking like november time) i was wondering how many others are thinking of getting one of these nice looking cards. They genuinely seem to be a real step up from whats about now and with a 5870 coming close too at worst and beating a gtx295 at best in some games has to be worth the £270ish price they are set to be released at. If nothing else there are hot topics on these cards on many forums so thought it was about time CF got it's :D.

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I have an 8800GT 512Mb right now. It's slowly degrading... Performance is going down the pan.

So, 5870 is looking great to me, or even just a reduced price GTX275/85/95 when they come out :)

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depends on cost ill buy it when its sub 200 notes

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You cheapskate zing :D.

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why when the 4870 is fine for pretty much eveyr game available and all we get are console clones :(

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Is the 5 series dx11 compatible? Not bothered looking myself! Just in from playing football, now watching football and typing this on my iPhone. I've heard then new ati cards are the nuts as ms have incorporated a lot if interesting features in dx11 that ati have built and designed for maximum potential.

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DX11 compatible indeed. nVidia have nothing on them yet.

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possibly middle next for Nvidia which will mean the 5800 series can be properly tested and have loads of time to come down in price ready for me to start bothering lol

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:eeek:Hopefully this xmas Santa Zing will deliver me one of these cards for xmas.;) Maybe two if i'm a good boy :D

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Well i agree pc gaming at the minute is not brilliant but dx11 seems to have got developers interested again so maybe it will kickstart some decent games. I think dx10 and the way it got nerfed by nvidia played a big part in putting developers off pc gaming and did a fair bit of damage so i was happy this time to see ms set a standard and stick to it.

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I have an 4890 already.
As zing said.
No need to upgrade.

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Well i don't pay for my gfx cards so going from a 4870X2 to a 5870X2 is not a question of need for me purely a gift and i will no doubt enjoy the extra performance whether that be in dx11 games or more likely being able to completely max out settings on most dx9\10 games.

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i don't see the point in upgrading my graphics at the moment nothing is stressing my graphics, except crysis and that very rarely gets played now.

next time i upgrade my graphics i will look and see what the diff is between nvidia and ati, but by the sounds of it ati might be able to fully compete with nvidia on performance rather than just price.

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Well it isn't looking like there will be a competitive nvidia part for dx11 till late q1 or even q2 next year they seem to have royally screwed up something.

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yep but it will be next year before i upgrade my graphics anyway so will see what is about when i do it.

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There was a rumour out there that nVidias GT300 cores were only yielding 2% per wafer of actual stable cores.

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I may get one next year. Only got my 4870 1GB a few months ago

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Sounds like a lot of decent ( todays standard ) cards are going to be begging for new homes just now :D Spare a thought for my lowly 8600 GT :)

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Bop you should be able to have a field day in the second hand market soon maybe getting urself a real bargain :).

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Fingers crossed, I know quiet a few of the forum 'gadget freaks' they might throw this dog a bone :D

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HHHmmm did I just get called a gadget freak?

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:angel: :D :shrug: I just whistled to see who's head would pop up ;)

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No your ok Thomas not a gadget freak just an old fashioned freak :D. I have already promised my son my 4870X2 otherwise would have seen if i could do have done you a deal :(. I don't think your going to struggle to get a decent card for a good price though give it a month and ithink there will be plenty.

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He's old fashioned maybe !!! but a gadget freak definitely, you want to see his :erm: collection of .................... stuff :


I'll be keeping my eyes open :tu: thanks anyway.

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Are these that much better than NVIDIA's offerings and the previous generation, both drivers and hardware?

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All we have right now are leaked benchmarks nothing official but at the minute the single gpu 5870 is comparable to the dual gpu nvidia 295. Have to remember that the 5870 is being benched on early drivers and will get a little better with mature drivers. But short answer is yes they are better then most nvidia cards with only the 295 having an advantage in some but not all games.

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My early incarnation (before dilligaf1701) was gadget_boy ;)

Yup it could be said I have one or two gadgets about :)

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i just cant wait to see what nvidia bring to the table when they release a new card, as it will have to be very good to keep customers looking at these cards.

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Depends what they have in development. You never know where the initiative will be as it switches. Look at the AMD dominance in the cpu market lost to the C2D same thing happens in the GPU market.

I think with how games ar ebeing written (or not) the most important thing for me would be effective driver support rather than terraflops or pixel shaders etc

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The drivers aren't immature. Aside from the configuration of the shader clusters, it's pretty much the same architecture, only everything is doubled.

The drivers for the 5xxx series should be as stable as the 4xxx series.

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There are quite a few differences between the 4 and 5 series cards and as such the drivers will be different as well. Simply saying everything has been doubled is a very simple way of looking at it and isn't strictly true either as many of the features have had a redesign since the 4 series.

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The only major change in architecture comes in the form of DX11 support and the features inherantly involved with it.

As i stated, the shader clusters have been reconfigured and have been optimised, but architecturally, the same hardware is being used in the 5xxx series except it's fabbed at 40nm.

Saying everything has been doubled may be simple, but it's what's actually happened.

Naturally there are going to be changes as they improve the card and it's features, but as a new architecture, it certainly isn't one.

Aside from the amount of "working" shaders increased in the clusters, the main power comes because a) Shaders have been increased by 100% (in theory you'll get more than that because they have more shaders in the cluster able to do the simple tasks b) TMUs doubled from 40 to 80 and c) ROPs doubled from 16 to 32

The hardware is already supported in the drivers, eyefinity has been supported now for a while in their drivers, the only things they'll really need to work on are the implementations of DX11 and a few tweaks and optimisations.

We shouldn't be seeing issues due to driver immaturity. Nvidia on the other hand, that is a new architecture for the most part and will have all of the problems that come with it.

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Atm Using The GTX 295 and I see no Reason For Most of you To Upgrade?

I run Every Game Perfectly But ran Nearly Every game fine on My old comp

New comp 8GB DDR3
AMD PHENOM II X3
Nvidia GTX 295

Old comp

4GB DDR2
AMD Phenom I x3 8550
Nvidia 8800

Dont fix something that aint broken

But hell Buy it for bragging rights :)

Re: So whose buying an Ati 5xxx gfx card when they are out :).
 

There are out now. Here's a review:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643

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£300 on the shelf I promised myself I would not pay that kinda price again and there is no way I will. Give it time and they will drop to £200 hopefull maybe in 6 to 12 months but they have no competition at present

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It's well worth the £300 price tag.

It out performs Nvidia's best single GPU offering and is also cheaper than it.

Bang for buck, which is what AMD/ATI is all about.

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sorry but it is not cheaper £300 compared to anything from £250+ for a gtx285 and £300 for a gtx295 which outperforms the, 5870 but only just but that is a dual gpu card.

it is good and is worth the money now but i won't be buying one as my gtx280 is still performing well enough for me, will see what happens next year.

my next upgrade is to core i7 then next year graphics, but by then these will be cheaper and the next model will be out by then from both nvidia and ati so i can, then choose which performs best problem is only 2 cards sli'd is beating this on it's own so nvidia need to pull the thumbs out.

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I dunno what to think on initial looks at benchmarks I thought it looked top but they crossfired it. As a single GPU it needs to be under £200 quid if you ask me. As damien says the 295 GTX is competition at this price break

Perhaps with better drivers maybe we will see

damien the only way you will want sli/cf is if you buy a new TV . The res the one you have now uses will not challenge a single card

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Buy me 2 and I will call you friend :D

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Is it a complete 295 killer no it isn't and only the most optimistic expected it to be. That said it runs the 295 close in a few games and does manage to beat it in some so it is by no means a slouch on performance. Also there will be some performance improvement with later driver releases and overclcoking these might squeeze out that advantge the 295 does have over it at stock. But thats forgetting dx11 support not massively important now but who knows in a few months, lower power consumption and should be a little less heat as well.

I also think £300 is overpriced with £250 being more realistic and it will drop in time how fast is the issue too long and the refresh will be coming and people will hold out for that. If you have one of the top end cards of the last generation i don't think there is enough here to make anyone upgrade straight away. All in all it's a good card offering the best single gpu performance by a margin and is only going to get better so i think ati have hit the mark they were aiming for.

I will still wait for the x2 to come out as thats when i am getting my card but this looks ok for now if your on something lower then a 4890 or gtx280.

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well DX10 games hardly look any better than if you play the same game in DX9. So I am doubting DX11 will make a huge difference but I hope to be proved wrong

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Hardware Tesselation
Better HDR Texture Compression

And so on...
It should be good, and this year alone 5 games will be supporting it, including the new STALKER.

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External interference with the dx10 standard did massive damage to that and turned developers off it also the lousy (and mostly undeserved) reputation of vista played it's part as well. I think dx11 will be far more widely adopted by developers and of course win7 is being warmly recieved so completely different to dx10 at this point. That said all dx api's are usually the same story so much potential so short in the practical execution but iam hoping 11 will be something good god knows we need something on the pc to get some decent games out on it rather then ports from console.

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didnt like the last STALKER lol

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With you on that Zing i didn't think that much to it either hopefully the next one will be a big improvement.

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I had my wires crossed with the cheaper remark, i was referring to the 5850 (which is better and cheaper than the GTX285) not the 5870

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Not only that, but DX10 was harder to code form which is one of the reasons why DX 10.1 came about

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DX10 is not harder to code for at all.

The new driver model was.

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The only thing stopping me upgrading at the moment is compatibility with older games. I play Grand Prix Legends a lot, which is a game from circa 1998 and has had numerous updates from the community to try and fix the relentless push by the GPU manufacturers to break older game support in new drivers and video cards.

That and I can't justify it because I'd need a new rig to support the thing. My Celeron 800 wouldn't cope. ;)

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There wasn't a new driver model. The driver model is part of the OS and the update only came about implimented with Windows 7, hence the term WDDM 1.1, as opposed to 1.0 which was vistas implimentation

DX10 actually wasn't developer friendly, DX10.1 sorted that.

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I meant the jump from DX9 -> 10, with the driver model change from XP to Vista.
The entire reason DX10 cannot be implemented in Windows XP.

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this card does look soo sexy .... shame I just dont have the £££ to upgrade my 4850 to 5870 :(