Originally Posted by v0id (Post 34868688)

what's an awre bin? :/

Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34868702)

A wire bin? :shrug:
I think the O.P has dyslexia. Not trying to be funny or anything.

Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34868702)

I think the O.P has dyslexia. Not trying to be funny or anything.

Originally Posted by Wayfair (Post 34868841)

how many people write your posts tdadyslexia.

Originally Posted by Welshchris (Post 34868815)

I think ur flogging a dead horse here no offense as it could cost BILLIONS to bring all the buildings in the UK upto spec on this money that a lot of councils, Privite Landlords and Housing associations dont have.

What ur trying to do is a good thing and i totally agree with it but i just cant see it happening.

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34869942)

i doubt it would cost that and in any case they don't often bring in retrospective laws mostly its just that it has to be done at the next refurb and all new housig fitted

plus look at all those extra jobs it could create ;)

as to cost it cost about as much as carpeting a house or flat so some where between £1500 to £3000

but for most landlords and housing associations they should get a lot of that back in reduced insurance premiums over time and in any case if every one had to have it the cost of putting it in would drop as more companies competed for the work


all in all i think its worth the cost any how especially for multy occupancy houses and flats and still worth it for houses as well

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34869972)

The big plus for any landlord is that at the whereas if there is a fire without such a system in place there is every chance the building will be gone.

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34869942)

i doubt it would cost that and in any case they don't often bring in retrospective laws mostly its just that it has to be done at the next refurb and all new housig fitted

plus look at all those extra jobs it could create ;)

as to cost it cost about as much as carpeting a house or flat so some where between £1500 to £3000

but for most landlords and housing associations they should get a lot of that back in reduced insurance premiums over time and in any case if every one had to have it the cost of putting it in would drop as more companies competed for the work


all in all i think its worth the cost any how especially for multy occupancy houses and flats and still worth it for houses as well

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34921825)

To true!

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921888)

Daniel, the OP is dyslexic (the user name is a bit of a clue ;) ), not fair pointing out spelling errors in that way, really. ;)

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921879)

Most landlords will do everything that is necessary and more to protect their assets (that includes the tenants as well as the properties)

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921879)

As a landlord, in most cases it is cost prohibitive to install systems such as sprinklers and in some case impossible,

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34921915)

[By Bold] Rubbish see Eclipse Fire Protection.


Don't you meen "no matter how much money we have" ?
Is still a lode of Rubbish.

No it is better to have them both, tipicull landlord with that kind of comment.


No it is a legal requirement already, and I bet you know already that it is a legal requirement ?


No, but if the building has been converted in to flats or a HMO then yes it does need a Fire escape!



You require a Fire Alarm System plus Fire Extinguishers and Emergency Lighting it is a legal requirement for the above!


I would hope so, and I hope your smoke alarms are not the DIY battery tipe? If thay are you are breaking the law, you must have a Full Fire Alarm System with Emergency Lighting as well as Fire Extinguishers in a House of Multiple Occupation (HMO)!


[My Bold] You scrooge, that is just doing the bare minimal required by law, tipicull landlord.

[My Bold] Will not hold up in court, you and you a lone are responsable for the Emergency equipment!

[My Bold] Oh so you are breaking the law see above!


So you are trying to say that you are refilling the Fire Extinguishers or replacing the batteries in the Fire Alarm System each month that is just Rubbish.

[My Bold] Don't you mean the bare minimum

Rubbish, you must have the rongh insurance then.

So you hav not bought Fire Resistant carpeting then? so you are breaking the law ones more! All carpeting and window coverings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO! Plus all furnishings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO as well

What a load of Rubbish.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34922621)

[Snip] believe it or not I actually agree there should be more done to improve the safety of some places.

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34922750)

That is good to here!


So have I seen some bad properties, and I have had a number of them instructed to upgrade there properties by the Fire Brigade.


A HMO and B&B is not a residential letting, it is a private letting technically.


So all your Furniture and Furnishings comply with the Furniture and Furnishings (Fire) (Safety) Regulations 1988

Plus see: Fire safety law and guidance documents for business

So wear have I got it wrong on what I said?

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34922863)

[Snip] you still have very little understanding of residential lettings regulations.

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34922984)

Ok then what is the link/url to residential lettings regulations?


Yes some are done by the owner/landlord, and some are done by letting agents.


B&B is under the same as HMO's


Yes and so is B&B's


No, it is for HMO's as well plus B&B's see quote below.


[My Bold] So it does applie to HMO's and B&B's as well, quote from top of page on Fire safety law and guidance documents for business.


The old furniture 9 times out of 10 is from a okshon, but all furniture in a B&B & HMO most have the Fire Resistant lable on it, if the lable comes off the item must be replaced, that is the lawe now!


I am sorrry but you are wrong see your quote below.


[My Bold] You are breaking the law you most have a full Fire Alarm System plus Fire Extinguishers and Emergency Lighting in a HMO or a B&B


I have the sneaky feeling that you have the old landlord pack.

From landlord property standards pdf
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I would hope not!


Oh you are so wrong.



You can get the Fire Sprinkler heads replaced and keep the old System see Eclipse Fire Protection for help.



As I said see Eclipse Fire Protection for a quote, or see the Fire Sprinkler Association for a quote.


Please see above. ;)

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34922760)

Flyboy has stated that he no longer does commercial letting and as this is the case his lets are not subject to the same rules ,

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34923026)

i take it your not in the HMO sector then Flyboy :D


i told him that :dozey:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34923018)

Look, you are clearly not interested in a rational debate, as you still have not demonstrated any grasp of events on this thread.

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34923031)

Sorry your wrong, for one he has a HMO plus he has flats as well.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34923037)

I stopped renting to students about fifteen years ago. It go too expensive and there wasn't much profit in it for me. I had four houses near a university and they abused my trust. I would generally leave them alone as long as they paid the rent and left the houses in the same condition as they found them. I did check on them from time-to-time and found out that they were sub-letting living rooms etc. Murals painted on walls (I wouldn't have minded so much if they were any good), furnishings and white goods abused and serious disrepair. All the properties had heating, plumbing and electrical cover and they didn't bother calling British Gas to have the drains fixed, which meant that they wouldn't come out because the problems had been left for so long. When they left I withheld their deposits. Two of the students' fathers threatens legal action until I showed them the before and after pictures and told them they were lucky I was not suing for more than just the deposits. The whole cost of making good on all four properties was over ten thousand pounds. It would have cost almost that to pursue them through the courts (the law is not weighted in favour of landlords). I sold the properties and made the money back.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34923037)

I stopped renting to students about fifteen years ago. It go too expensive and there wasn't much profit in it for me. I had four houses near a university and they abused my trust. I would generally leave them alone as long as they paid the rent and left the houses in the same condition as they found them. I did check on them from time-to-time and found out that they were sub-letting living rooms etc. Murals painted on walls (I wouldn't have minded so much if they were any good), furnishings and white goods abused and serious disrepair. All the properties had heating, plumbing and electrical cover and they didn't bother calling British Gas to have the drains fixed, which meant that they wouldn't come out because the problems had been left for so long. When they left I withheld their deposits. Two of the students' fathers threatens legal action until I showed them the before and after pictures and told them they were lucky I was not suing for more than just the deposits. The whole cost of making good on all four properties was over ten thousand pounds. It would have cost almost that to pursue them through the courts (the law is not weighted in favour of landlords). I sold the properties and made the money back.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34923043)

the problem is you keep telling us information we already know

Originally Posted by die5el (Post 34923075)

Do these Epetitions really work so far i don't know one that has and there has been plenty over the years

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34923052)

i know that situation only too well ,back in the late 80's early 90's i used to do full refurbs for a landlord who owned about 60 properties most of which were student lets for newcastle uni ,it was not unusual for me to do the same property at the end of the summer term having refurbed it the previous term and when the uni introduced the regs governing student lets it became cost prohibitive so he moved soley into private lets were the regs are much more relaxed

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34923113)

I have reduced my property holdings over the last five years, but have recently started to invest in the market again. Just bought two more in the last month, a one bedroonm house and a two bedroom flat. One I will develop and sell, the other I will refurbish and let.

Just remembered what one of those fathers said to me when I told him how much it was going to cost me to put right the damage his darling princess had caused. He said, "well, it's just a skim off he top of what you make, Your only in this for the profit." Well, derrh, of course I'm only in it for the profit, why else would I do it. But, like many, he had a poor grasp of what those profits were. When you think that the revenue earned from the property; about eight hundred a month (seven thousand two hundred in the year), take out interest, insurance, fees etc. the profit was about three or four thousand pounds, on that one property. Then take into account the dilapidation costs, I was looking at about a thousand pounds profit for the year. Wasn't going to be Donald Trump any time soon. :(

I do have some low cost accommodation and I also work with organisations such as NACRO and some social services departments, to provide some transitional accommodation to some very vulnerable people. Some are ex-offenders, just leaving prison and needing to re-enter society. Some are young people just coming out of care and needing somewhere secure and consistent to live, until they establish themselves. I don't get too directly involved with these tenants, but sometimes I have to and to be honest, most of them are the best tenants I have ever had. But conversely, some have been some of the worst I have ever had, but, thankfully, it doesn't happen very often.

These tenants are the only ones who have a direct line number to my maintenance supervisor and I have told him that these are the highest priority calls. They also have been told that my PA's number is always open to them and I am always, like I am with all my other tenants, open to their input, whether positive or negative (the negative ones don't happen very often, usually it is things that are beyond my control, but you can't please everyone all the time :()

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34923116)

i should also add for the benefit of Tdadyslexia that given the work you do for the social services your property would have to meet stringent standards before you let to them and they are quite strict as i know through my own experience doing the refurbs

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921879)

To install a modern day sprinkler system in a block of six flats, would cost between about fifty and one hundred thousand pounds. That's a lot of carpets.

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34921915)

What a load of Rubbish.