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This looks awesome

Introducing Project Natal, a revolutionary new way to play: no controller required. See a ball? Kick it, hit it, trap it or catch it. If you know how to move your hands, shake your hips or speak you and your friends can jump into the fun -- the only experience needed is life experience.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/projectnatal/

Bye bye PS3

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That looks as rubbish as the Wii, but without the controller.

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Impressive...

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I have played tennis on the Wii, I was knackered by the end.

A good rival to the Wii controller.

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I don't see the PS3 going anywhere, I can't see this being any good anyway, the Wii has already shown that motion reaction is only good for party games

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I seem to remember seeing at E3 that Sony are making their own too so as Graham said; PS3 aint going anywhere. Both will be crap and will sell well because of hype. So far there's no games that I've read about being compatible with Natal are worth getting for it.

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PS3 already does this to a degree with the PSeye. Its all just a gimmick imo and wont be in any really decent games I dont think. That being said it is intresting to see what will be done with it.

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Rumour has it, it's gonna cost about £50 and released in Nov 2010

http://www.zath.co.uk/project-natal-...ice-announced/

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should be great ..................... for kids :)

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Yeah aged 8 to 80

:D

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Jonathan Ross I guess is in the upper age range..seems to be enjoying it though : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvYFAYqRRw

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If you think tennis is hard on the wii, try the boxing.

I felt I had done 10 rounds with mohammed ali

Albeit 10 rounds condensed into 1 minute..the galling thing was, my little young nephew kicked my ass :)

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I got a twitter from him this morning;).

I guess its a perk of him being a celeb.

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Play.com have it as coming soon, and taking emails to alert when it is due.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-...l/Product.html

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Available for pre order on Play.com (£130)

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=mcpotw&page=title&r=X360&title=1029 6372&source=9316

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Er, at that price for a gimmick, I'll pass.

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Microsoft Confirms Kinect Pricing, Analysts Debate
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2...sts_Debate.php

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The bundle doesn't sound too bad, but the standalone price = epic fail IMO.

Kinect seems to me to be aimed at the casual / party-game market, currently dominated by Nintendo's Wii... and I think £130 is too high for that.

[And come to think of it, for that market, the bundle price is too high too, going up against the Wii. Still, it's not just MS charging too much, Sony's "Move" is overpriced too I think]

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Those who don't have the new 360 slim will also need a spare socket to plug the kinect(sic) into, and most likely have to disconnect a wireless adapter to use the rear usb slot.

It's not worth the hassle

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/n...ice-point.html

Lame...

Although I think he's correct about "Move"... by the time you've bought all the bits for that, it's also overpriced IMO...

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I wasn't aware the Rear USB port on the 360 did anything different to the two front ones?

The only reason you need to use the rear one on the Wireless Receiver is due to cable length and the litte lugs to attach it to the rear of your console (unless you have an extension) isn't it?

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Tonights episode of Smallville, had this in it.

Chole and some Super hero guy were playing it, and you could clearly see then name on the unit.

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Now after it's official release date the price of Kinect is down in some places to £115

http://www.t3.com/news/xbox-kinect-u...2%A3115?=48197
There's also mention in the same article that you can get the New Xbox 360s for £169.99 (excluding delivery) using a code on the MS site.

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yeah i saw it on pre-order today £127 , noway i am i paying that

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As with all new technology they put it out at silly price, then after christmas or maybe just before they will knock £10 then £20 and then they will be under 100, look at rock band when that came out.

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Am out at the moment to. Nothing on it that i'm intrested in yet. Will keep an eye on it though. Same probably goes for Move to. More a case of wait and see how they develop.

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I second your post :)

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Kinect was worth £100 max for me, so I'm not interested at the current price. And they removed the on-board processor to reduce manufacturing costs.

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OK. So I have had Kinect on preorder now for 3 months at thehut.com and they have just sent an email (when they are closed conveniently) saying:

"I am really sorry to advise but due to the high demand for Kinect Bundle we are unable to dispatch your order in time for the release date. We expect dispatch of your order to be in early December 2010."

Now I am really really annoyed about this. One week before release and they drop me in it. Anybody have any thoughts about who may have Kinect's still in stock for preorder or I guess I will be going to town and buying at store open:(

---------- Post added at 19:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:55 ----------

Well I've just cancelled everything at thehut - games and all and ordered at Game.

Still very annoying!

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I'm still not bothered about Kinect. The tech's impressive, but if I wanted to play party/kiddie/granny games I'd just dust off my Wii, especially given the price.

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People on another forum I go on are saying they won't be getting it till December either.

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Mind me asking where they had it ordered from?

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Zavvi

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I wasn't too convinced by kinect up till now. Yes it sounded great but would it actually deliver?

Well the Kinect tour was in Glasgow on Sunday there and I got a shot of Bowling, which is part of the sports game. I have to admit I was very impressed by it.

All my movements were captured and acted out by the on screen character and I was able to perfom spin and all sorts in the game by twisting my wrist and shoulder.

Very likely to pick this up at christmas now.

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Gamestation Swindon are confident my 250 GB S and Kinect bundle will be available for midnight launch.

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Which is owned by thehut now. Think they just screwed a load of customers.
Oh well guess Game are my saviours for once!

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Ah, I didn't know that.

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Don't TheHut also deal with Tesco Direct's gaming distribution too?

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PSA: Xbox 360 S Kinect bundle doesn't come with Kinect AC adapter | Joystiq

The reason I went for the S was two fold: one, my DVD drive was playing up on my Pro and two, the dedicated Kinect port; I didn't want to plug Kinect into the front of my console, I'm already using the extra port you gain from having the HD DVD drive connected, or use another mains power socket. It's still cheeky on MS' part not to include all the cables though.

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With the s console you don't need a separate ac adaptor as the s console has the dedicated kinect port, that powers it.

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Indeed. There's absolutely no need to include it. The whole point of the Kinect port on the "S" is so that you only need the one cable.

EDIT:

I've just read that story at Joystiq. What a pointless piece of "news". Why on Earth would MS include the AC adaptor with Kinects that come bundled with an "S"? :confused: :rolleyes:

If someone has purchased a Kinect & 360 "S" bundle, what use would the AC adaptor be to them?

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I know. The dedicated port is part of the reason for me buying the S bundle, but for £300 they should have included it because if I wanted to move Kinect to use it with my old 360, I can't due to the lack of a mains power cable.

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But you have a new console and kinect, why would you need to move it to your old system. Just move the console, its not that heavy.

There is simply no need at all for Microsoft to include a power adapter.

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Kinect stripped to pieces, check out its tech:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Micro...Teardown/4066/

http://kotaku.com/5682075/whats-inside-a-kinect

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But you bought a bundle, consisting of a nice new 360 S along with a Kinect. It doesn't need it.

The majority of people buying a bundle consisting of a 360 S & a Kinect will surely be people who do not currently have a 360: Single-unit owners will be greater than multiple-unit owners, and most who already have a 360 will buy a Kinect on its own.

Why should Microsoft include a totally unnecessary cable in the 360 S + Kinect bundle, just to satisfy a small number of people who have bought the bundle while also owning an old-style 360 that they may also want to connect the Kinect to?

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It's a power cable that will cost MS pennies, so they should have included it.

I'm interested to see how the bundle comes, because Gamestation didn't know if it was just both solo items being sold together, but then this would mean a different SKU for Kinect without the power cable, or if they will come together in their own packaging.

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They should not have included it as it is not required by the new console.

The 360 kinect bundles all come in one box.

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There must be demand for it, because MS have already released it as a standalone accessory:

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft...oduct/9A4CFC08

$35, so £35 then.

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Gamestation text me today to let me know my in-store bundle is ready to collect from tonight's midnight launch and my posted on Saturday online order is now actually in transit, so they did sit on them until today, which was what I expected.

I have come to the decision that I will be returning the online order to the store for a refund, as it was my backup and I wanted to use my in-store credit towards the bundle, and I will not be purchasing my in-store order and will get a refund on my deposit.

I can't make use of the controls I was interested in and I have no interest in the Zune bloatware. You don't get a power cable with the bundle, which ties Kinect to the S and means I'll have to buy the $35 power cable, so probably at least £29.99 when they release the UK version, to be able to use it with my old 360. If I really do want it all later down the line, I might as well buy both solo items.

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had my uk version of kinect since the 8th november, it includes the power supply for users with the old xbox 360 ..... ive got the new slim version so got no need for it ..... anyway finally got round to using on friday/saturday and i must say im well impressed with it , had me and the wife in stitches playing the dodgeball part of kinect adventures arms legs flailing all over the place great fun , my kids love it , also got kinect sports to try think ill be knackered after the 100m sprint lol :)

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Ah so the sensor sold without a bundle comes with a power adapter cool

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It would have to come with one...

The only reason the Kinect + 360 bundle has no power adapter is that is does not need one, as the 360 S has a Kinect port.

Standalone Kinect units could be purchased for use with an "S" or an old-style 360, so need a power adapter.

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I caved in and collected my Gamestation bundle yesterday, although I didn't open it until later in the evening as I was still deciding whether I really wanted it or not, and I can't believe how much room Kinect needs.

My 360 is in the kitchen, which is quite spacious, and the initial setup had me standing about 8 feet away from the sensor. The problem with this position is room to the left, right and above. On my left is the breakfast bar and about 1 foot above my head is a ceiling beam, the only one and it's the lowest ceiling point in the kitchen. Both of these present problems: lack of left space means not enough room for two players and the beam above my head will easily be hit when jumping and arm swinging.

I'm going to play around with the Kinect Tuner tonight and see what I can do, before I pack it all up and return it.

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Why are you planning on returning it?

Would they still give you a full refund if it's been used? :confused:

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I'm sort of tempted by Kinect, but I think mainly due to the "new gadget factor".

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I'm tempted too, but I don't think I will until it drops to under a £100.

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Yeah, £100 is certainly the "sweet spot". I'm surprised MS launched it at what seems to me the rather odd price of £130, rather than £99.


I know a few people on other forums with the Kinect, & they love it.

Still... I loved my Wii when I first got it, & it rarely gets used now.

I'll give it a while, see if the price drops & see what other games come out. Also be interesting to see if/when MS update the dashboard to allow you to use Kinect to control other things such as DVDs & streamed videos. That'd be more use than using it for Zune Marketplace content!

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Apparently the innerds cost £35 so even though there's R&D to pay for it looks like there is some room for movement in the price.

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I'm returning it because I don't have enough room to use it in single player, let alone two player, and the gloss finish of Kinect and the console is awful; all you have to do is look at it and it gets scratched and that's before all the dust in the house has attached itself to it and fingerprints are all over it. I wonder why Sony stopped making the PS3 in gloss. The S console isn't that much smaller than the old console and it wasn't much quieter than my old Premium console either, whether it's the power pack or the console, one of them was making enough noise that I wouldn't describe the S as whisper quiet.

I've e-mailed Gamestation about returning it and am waiting for a reply.

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Nice idea but a bit restricting, interested in the drivers for using it on a pc though

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So you are returning it mainly cause it is shiny and you think it scratches easily? haha you better not tell Gamestation that.

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lol :) this must be the customers they hate, id charge him a 10% restocking fee as well hehe

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No i believe he said he didn't have enough room to use it, that's the problem with it, you need a mansion to have enough room to use the thing,it was a nice idea but Move PS3 all the way :)

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well ive got no mansion maybe a little exaggerated there roger lol :), but i have a ample sized living room and kinect works absolutely fine in it , as does move in the dining room

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Thats not all that he mentioned though. The glossy black and ability to attract dust and scratch easy was also referenced as a reason for returning it.

You still need a good 6-8 foot for Move as well.

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The console's finish is not my reason for returning it, the fact it wants at least an 8x8 foot square just to play solo is the problem, but as I had a chance to use it I thought I would post my observations about the S console.

If I can't return it, then I'll have to sell it at a loss because I would prefer to get something for it than have it sitting in its box on the floor. I should have stuck with my original gut feeling and just got a refund on the deposit, but sometimes you don't know until you try.

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you wont be at at a loss if u re-sell it , i trade on ebay all the time even kinect +adventures is selling for £150 so you wont loose out

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I considered eBay, but their fees are quite expensive and this is more noticeable on higher priced items. Kinect isn't exactly the sell-out MS were talking up either and unlike the 360, PS3 and Wii lauches there are plenty of Kinects in the shops, so I'm not sure how this will affect its popularity on eBay. I would need to sell it for more than £300 to break even and at least £300 to not lose too much.

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so are you selling a slim xbox 360 with kinect or just kinect?

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Its not a full console though so you can't compare it to the 3 console launches. Microsoft announced yesterday that they have already sold over 1 million Kinect devices, so to me that says it was a success. Its probably still on sale in many places as they were able to manufacture a lot more kinects than what usually happens when a new console is released.

£300 is that the bundle with the console then? or are you just hoping to make a huge profit?

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The 250 GB S and Kinect bundle is £299.99 and it all comes in one box and is not two solo items.

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why dont u just sell the kinect you would easily get £125 upwards just for that alone

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I could do, but it will only really be useful to people with the S console, because the bundle doesn't include the Kinect power cable.

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How big is the Kinect sensor? Only reason im asking is, if its longer than my Samsung Blu ray player, then I simply wont have room

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It's 280mm wide , 65mm deep , 75mm high :)

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So ideally my BR player needs to be or exceed, if only slightly 280mm wide :) . Thanks for that

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Not really as it sits on a stand which is 80mm wide so you have plenty of room.

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As you have no legal right to a refund simply because you don't like something or have changed your mind [unless purchased online, & the goods are unused], then you're at the mercy of Gamestation's own returns policy... and I very much doubt they'll give you a full refund for a piece of opened & used hardware.

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Ok cool, just need to measure the length from my chest of draws to my bed, if thats about 5ft them im all set :)

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You need six feet for one player.

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Yep 5ft not enough .

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After going through Kinect's set up process I don't have enough room to use it, even though the 360's in a generous sized room. How was I going to know that without setting it up. The box says six foot for single player, but the set up had me around eight foot away.

I would rather sell it at a loss so someone can make use of it, than have it all sitting on the floor in its box.

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6ft is a average recommended play space , the big the better really , im lucky in the fact i didnt have to rearrange my furniture and we have around 10ft of space in the centre of the room, it also states on the box 8ft is needed for 2 players

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No you don't i play about 4 ft from the tv as i don't have much room, works well enough for me :)

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you got a 360 as well roger , my xbl is fitze2573

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Yeah but it's in the cupboard gathering dust lol only use once in a blue moon and don't use it online, only really use ps3 online as it's free, don't get much time to play that either lol

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lol :) i have noticed

Kinect
 

Well we have two Kinect systems up and running in a modest 1970's 3 Bedroomed house. They key to it for us was that the boys have "high sleeper" beds with the TV and desk underneath. The TV is in the corner and the Kinect looks diagonally across the room.

The only problem was lighting, trying to avoid too much glare. This needed the lights arranged to bounce of the ceiling to avoid the deep shadows.

It is a really great piece of kit !!

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I got given Kinect for christmas along with Dance Central and I totally love it.

Only just got enough room though. Its amazing how accurate it seems to be at tracking movement. Really want to get Kinect Sports and Fitness Evolved next.

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We got one for Christmas - again, enough room for one player but not for two :(
So far K Adventures is fun but not sure now for how long. Kinectimals is cutesy but enjoyable. Still haven't started with Fitness Evolved - maybe tonight!

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had my kinect since launch got kinect adventures, kinect sports & fitness evolved not played them yet, but kinect adventures was fun the twins and the wife loved it

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ive got it on its way with Your Shape ,Sports and Dance central. Gonna use it to get fit :-)

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Anyone here has the Red Ring of Death after using Kinect?

Apparently people have (on the news), but MS say it's not related.

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Maybe it's due to the Kinect drawing too much power and some early xboxes not having adequate protection against that?

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:erm: Correct me if I'm wrong, but used with the older 360 the Kinect has it's own power supply.

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Kinect has exceeded MS' expectations, shifting over eight million units since release. They expected five million in this amount of time and I didn't think it would make that total.

http://kotaku.com/5726193/so-this-ki...ith-the-humans

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the new slim s model which i have has its own built in power supply for kinect

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It does. I was speculating on one possible cause. After all, it still draws some current, and I did sometimes find that plugging my iPod into my old xbox would cause the RROD.

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bit of info on that http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12121999