You are Prime Minister...
 

Right, let's see what kind of ideas everyone has...

You are running to become Prime Minister of this country.

It's election time and Labour have just lost.
Your own party has just won. You are their leader.

You can choose 3 things that you will bring to make this country a better place. What will they be?

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I do not envy the prime minister's job of running the country, but if I were elected I would change the following.

1.) Stop the welfare and income support programs.

A.) If people were forced to work for their wage Britain's Economy would once again flourish and even the poorest families could expect to live charmed lives.

B.) The money could be put to better uses such as providing a highest standards of Health and Dental care. Schools, Colleges and Universities could recive the much needed funding they have been crying out for. The number of Fire Fighters, Garbadge Disposal Workers and Policemen could be increased not only with the extra money provided but also the extra workforce in need of jobs.

C.) With more people paying taxes the goverment could afford to indulge it's self by offer better pensions and free ellectricity/gas to the elderly during the winter seasons or possibly all year round. Free entertainment would likely become a major benefit to increased tax revenues.

D.) It is very likely that people who are not used to labor (back breaking, mentaly draining or otherwise) will fall into depression... Luckely their would be just enough money left over to supply the nation with antidepressants. . . I'm kidding :rolleyes:.

2.) Put a great deal of effort into finding and researching safe and renewable energy sources and then actually follow through with it.

A.) We would approach this not from the over used envirmentalist viewpoint (though they would be an important factor) but from a survivalists viewpoint.

B.) Petroleum and Coal are two of Britians main forms of energy. While Petrol is used to fuel Automobiles and Power Plants, Coal is used to heat homes and in ferwer cases to fuel powerplants. Many Gas companies also import their gas during the winter which is a costly process.

C.) Steadily increase power and fuel taxes to make businesses increase their own prices forceing the public to take the matter seriously. Leak information to the press about likely (though secretly fabricated) resource shortages to make people work harder towards the common goal.

3.) Introduce free software download from goverment controled databanks.

A.) Software would include PC Games, Music Tracks, Movies and Information related. Though they would only be avaliable British Citizens.

B.) The majority of this software would be paid for by the government from the tax revenue, now that everyones working.

C.) Since the process requires British Citizenship, people would have to travel to their nearest databank which would likely be held within Public Libraries and in the case of education software some schools, colleges ect.

D.) Having nonetworked databanks eliminates the posability of hacking and means that people would bring their own usb storage devices, eliminateing the elements of download traffic.

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Those who cannot find work?

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jobs vill be found for zem

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1/. Set an exact length of term for each government, and move to PR

2/. Get the police out on the streets with zero-tolerance policies

3/. Unemployed to work in their community or carry out (and pass) training courses or no benefits

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i know what i'd do if i became prime minister..ban people called Xientie posting in forums

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Work can easily be created by the Goverment in the form of emergincy services (Fire Fighters, Policemen ect). Also the increse in work force will require more public transport, which means more buses, more drivers, cleaners, bus mechanics.

It is very likely that many crafters i.e. your plumbers, joiners, stone masons ect who are no longer as numerous as they once were will benefit from the increased workforce.

Also it would not take businesses long to see the workforce boom as a chance to branch out and make more money. That it's self would start a construction frenzy that offers new jobs to willing construction workers.

Ultimatly the Goverment can create more jobs if it knows people are going to fill but it shouldn't have to since it can count on greedy corporations and companies to cash in on the abundant workforce.

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MMMmmm - I think I should look at the emergency services to work in :)

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You could try, but I doubt you would succeed :p:. Besides, isn't everyone entitled to their own opinions? Yours, mines, theirs.

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yes they are ,your absolutly right, and i'm sure you'll be a very good prime minister one day:rolleyes:

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What about the disabled and the elderly?

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they would be the new firemen he's on about ;)

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On the slim... Very slim chance I became the Prime Minister the chances of making such changes are even slimer. They are the changes I would like make, but they conflict with the changes I could possibly make :angel:.

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what i would like to do though seriously is reform the tax system ,while i dislike paying them i realise it is a necsesity so instead of paying a tax for this and a tax for that i would have one single tax based on earnings ,so no council tax, no vat,no road tax, ect
i believe in the long run this would be a much cheaper system to implement and much easier for people to cope with

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Babies, Children, Students and the Elderly will be excused from the reform.

Disabled men and woman who are able to work should be incouraged to do so. So who can't walk can work at computer stations ect. Their is a job for everyone in this world and a person to fit that job :D.

How can they be firemen? Are you drunk or something?

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Are you going to fund my special computer?

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There is not a job for everyone and your scheme seems to address this be creating masses of public sector jobs for which many people will simply not the qualified. Not to mention the wages of all these increased staff will be more than the respective benefits..

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i wish i was your plan would make more sense

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If you are a medical student (as you state in the New Members thread), you seem to have a rather worrying lack of a grasp on disability. You can't just divide the disabled into those that can work and those that can't. You have to take some account of their disability.

You would also need to find them a job that they were able to do. One example is Thomas T (above). He is legally blind (sorry if I am wrong Thomas, can't remember if you are blind or partially sighted). As such, he would need extra equipment and facilities where he worked. Such as screen readers and speakers/headphones for his PC, possibly a Braille keyboard. People with other disabilities may also need other changes to the environment or helpers. For instance, I work in a Uni computer lab. We had a quadraplegic student join one of our courses. We had to have a special workstation built (designed to accomodate his wheelchair which was a rather large vehicle) and he also needed a carer/secretary as he didn't have enough movement to manipulate a computer keyboard).

I've rambled a little but my central point is that there are a lot of potential jobs, but there are a lot less that are suitable for the disabled (no one would argue, for instance, that a wheelchair bound person would be a good brickie).

I think that it is good that the government has passed laws to force companies and other organisations to provide facilities for the disabled (although interestingly it was the Tories rather than the so called caring Labour Party that started the DDA), but they can't force employers to create jobs that aren't there.

The fact is that there *isn't* a job for everyone in this world.

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I knew this would be an interesting topic. (Gets more popcorn and sits back.)


If I was Prime Minister I would:

1) Re-assess the benefits and jobseekers system. Too much money is being handed out and some people are abusing the system big time. Money should be spent on opening new job oppportunities whereby if you don't find work, you get put into work or else you don't get any money - And thats tough luck if you don't want to work.

At the same time we need to put a stop to the ever-increasing university fees.
People deserve a free education and costs are now very expensive and the way the system works means that some people who are poor currently get to go in free whilst people who are slightly better off get dried out of all their savings as prices are too high.
Who wants our children to grow up in a world of debt?

2) The Policing in our country needs a complete shake up.
Too much time and money is wasted in tackling small crime.
In some cases someone who murders someone will do less time than someone who has done far less evil things.
Sentences need to be kept and not shortened down.
Too many rapists are let out and go and re-offend as soon as they are out.
Money needs to be spent on building bigger prisons or ideally buying an island and shipping all murders, rapists and child molesters there. Put some mines all around the island and they'l never escape. A safer world for all.

Most money for 1 & 2 above would come from stripping the hundreds of MP's of their freebies and second homes. It's a job like any other job and they don't deserve all these extras at our expense.

3) Health care should be available to all people who pay taxes. Not to anyone who flies in or comes to England on the back of a lorry to get free glasses.
Anyone who comes to the UK should be monitored for 6 months to make sure they are giving something back to the country or else ship them back.

Oh.... and free 100mb broadband for all. :)

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As primeminister I would:-

1) protect the environment by:-
a) extracting methane from the atmosphere to use as fuel
b) growing more trees to absorb carbon dioxide
c) reducing industrial and car emissions
d) pumping oxygen and ozone back into the atmosphere to reduce pollution
e) setting up desalinisation plants around the coast
f) setting up cleaning and dredging schemes for rivers and waterways
g) growing more crops nationally by hydroponics to cut the use of fertilizers
h) providing a national gypsy site scheme
i) deterring fly-tipping & the dropping of litter
j) making biodiesel fuel from waste vegetable oil
k) growing crops for biofuel
l) encouraging & developing hybrid cars & other vehicles
m) setting up a national bio-economic network for protecting bees and other economy-related species
n) promoting the growth of endangered species on protected government sites by cloning or other means

2) protect the economy by:-
a) setting up fish farms round the UK
b) growing more of our own food
c) increasing the amount of manufacturing industry
d) giving government contracts to UK companies
e) setting up Eden project style farms in the cities
f) setting up storage facilities or processes for surplus food
g) getting employable workers into a job
h) setting up training in trade skills
i) creating more hydroelectricity plants nationally
j) turning waste building land into allotments
k) encouraging people to grow their own food
l) rationalising salaries nationally & cutting MP/Executive salaries
m) having a nationwide recycling scheme
n) setting up our own recycling facilities
o) setting up repair facilities to make old products last longer
p) importing more raw materials & fewer products
q) making people work for their benefits
r) building public utilities like power stations in safe places
s) nationalising the banks & ending the bonus culture
t) making all financial institutions subject to Bank Of England regulation
u) nationalising and regulating all buses and trains
v) developing a national high speed internet system
w) better development of road, rail & motorway networks
x) controlling immigration better
y) protecting school playing fields from sale

3) protect the population by:-
a) building more prisons and increasing the severity of sentences to deter crime
b) increasing the number of police on the streets with all officers having a police dog
c) re-introducing National Service to provide training and defence skills
d) fitting solar panels and wind-turbines to all houses to provide home power
f) re-routing river confluences to prevent flooding
g) building up coastal water defences to cope with rising water levels
h) reforming the national curriculum to teach children survival skills
i) not building inappropriate properties on river flood plains
j) re-designing houses and other buildings to be ecofriendly & exercise orientated
k) securing the nation's food and fuel supply
l) setting up NHS gyms nationwide
m) building better care homes
n) increasing the number of medical staff in hospitals
o) reducing massively the percentage of alcohol in alcoholic drinks
p) compulsory detoxing of all drug offenders
q) building buildings of a higher quality with more facilities
r) ensuring that all people can read, write and speak English to a high standard and are mathematically competent
s) reintroduce technical schools at secondary level to develop artistic/musical/technical/design/performing arts skills
t) encourage the learning of foreign languages

With that list it's probably a good idea if I didn't get the job!! LOL!!

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now don't be greedy ;)

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Wow! That is quite a list ntluser!

I agree with you on re-nationalising public transport services.
It would mean more consistant, better quality services for all.
And in my opinion, less accidents.

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big list, quite a bit of thought gone into ntluser although it has to be said that some of it is already being implemented like the national recycling scheme ,although it is implemented by local authorities it is i believe national .Car emisions are falling all the time
However wind turbines and solar panels on every house ,i'm not sure that would work ,some people can't even have a sky dish on the roof
building public services and utilies in safer places?we need them in cities and towns not in the middle of no-where which would probably be a protected area anyway
but i like some of your ideas

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As Prime Minister I'd immediately begin the process of changing the current voting system so that the majority might actually have some people in parliament who represent how we want the the Country to be.

As it stands we realistically have a choice of 2 corrupt parties who have the sole purpose of attaining/retaining power.

I know I'm probably living in cloud cuckoo land. but is there anything wrong with aspiring to live in a land where you can vote for a free thinking, public spirited individual as opposed to Mr BA in politics towing the party line. To be honest most career politicians give me the dry boak. They have no opinion about anything until they have a consultation with the current Spin master. I would rather have politicians with real conviction than the unprincipled crowd we are likely to have in the next parliament.....

I agree with some of the proposals from other CF posters....., and disagree with others but at least in my ideal parliament they would all have a chance being heard.

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1) Remove My Enemies from Life

2) Abolish Voting

3) ????

4) PROFIT!!!!!

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Erm not sure of how to word this but here goes

1. Improve the NHS
We shouldn't have to wait for appointments or fight for medication.

2. Improve the benefits system
More help for those that need it and more support to the unemployed......don't just ship them off on a course to make your figures seem better, actually help them into work for once. Also figure out way to weed out those who are just "playing the game".

3. Tighten Immigration.
And for those already in the country I think they should at least learn English and attempt to adapt to the way of life here.

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1 Abolish distinction between personal capital gains and labour gains.

Currently there is a separate allowance for capital gains, for which only those with assets can benefit from. I would scrap this allowance and increase the income tax allowance by the same value. Whilst at the same time, I would scrap the distinction between National Insurance and Income tax and have just one rate but with a view to eventually reducing it to a low percentage.

At the same time I would eliminate the capital gains tax exemption on residential houses as this currently exaggerates the swings in the housing market and if people have to sell their house at a loss, at least a rebate from the government would enable them to start afresh.

Consumption taxes would be increased where needed to fund changes but not on zero rated essentials. This would mean that the wealthy would have to pay more tax, rather than use some elaborate tax dodge to avoid paying.

2 Be friendly to Russia

Don't want to be, but it will become more important in the future to keep energy supplies flowing.

3 Make prison sentences minimum not maximum

At the same time prisons would offer living conditions which give them the bare level required as per human rights - something like POWs have

If a prisoner, on release re-offends then they also have to serve their previous sentence as they haven't been rehabilitated enough

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Well the OP said choose 3 things, so here goes

1. Abolish the 'whip', have MPs elected on the basis of their policies for the areas they represent & allow free votes on every bill introduced by those MPs.

2. Abolish the road fund licence & put the tax directly on fuel, so that the biggest users pay in proportion - but make sure the income is used not only to improve roads, but also to subsidise public transport.

3. Abolish all forms of 'league tables' & 'targets' in government - allow the NHS, Police Force, Education Service, etc to follow best practice & reduce the bureaucracy required for 'performance monitoring' .

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1. Ban morons (you know who you are!) from posting on forums. They can still use the web, but only for booking train tickets.
2. Bring in proportional representation (thank you Harmitage for reminding me)
3. Free cheese for all, except the morons from 1.

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Here is a list of jobs I found on Google http://www.career-descriptions.co.uk...of-careers.htm. Now I can sew a lot of disabled / elderly people that would be suited for some of these jobs, maybe not them all :rolleyes: but I'm sure there is at least one job that will be suitable for every person.

Of course there are those who are mentaly disabled/handicapped some prefer disabled, others handicapped, a few settle like being called special.

Of course I have seen a lot of special adults work through their disability and still manage to find love, get a job, have children and generally just live as normal a life as possible. It really depends on the individual and their own willpower.

I thought I was supposed to be the Prime Minister? Not a medical student ;).

I'm sure their would a board or comitee of folks who would sort through every individuals needs and give them the job that's perfect for them.

Though I do realise that there are few shades of grey when dealing with humans, a lot when dealing those who have problems and several if ther problems are special needs. But again it all depends on the individual and a Prime Minister must be their for the entire country not individuals.

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1. Cut the number of MP's in half, we don't need as many as we have

2. Bring in a form of PR

3. Have a really good hard look at what benefits being in the EU actually gives us and if not satisfied, get out.

4. Give the Scots a vote on independence

5. If still lumbered with Scotland, give the English a vote on Scottish independence

6. Re nationalise the railway

7. Drastically cut the nuclear defence budget and after consultations on whether we need it at all get a cheaper and fully independent alternative.

8. After making sure our current military commitments are catered for I'd make plans to cut conventional defense spending right back, once we are out of Afghanistan we wont make the mistake of trying to police the world again, we are a tiny island with limited needs for armed forces, what do we need with new aircraft carriers and the like.

9. Get rid of quangos

10. Make people accountable for their actions again, doesn't matter if you MP or chav you screw up your for it and it'll take far more than sorry or a letter from your mum to excuse it.

11. Bring back compulsory national service

12. Revamp the justice system with proper sentencing and proper rehabilitation, for instance no prisoner will leave jail still addicted to drugs or unable to read or write.

13. Get to the bottom of waste within the NHS

14. Give energy regulators teeth to stop us being screwed by foreign companies.

15. Make sure what remaining military we keep is look after properly, no sub standard equipment or living in rat holes and no quibbling over compo payments for the injured.

That'll do for now I guess, once you start though it's hard to stop

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Only three things? There are a lot more problems to address than that.

1) sort our the pensions timebomb - the country simply cannot afford to have all it's civil servants, local authority staff, NHS and related employees on the overly generous final salary type schemes. Increased spending isn't resulting in better services, it's propping up these slush funds and preventing better services.

2) sort out criminal justice system - no more namby pamby sentencing. Make it understandable to victim and criminal alike. If the sentence is 6 years, that's the time you serve.

3) make party election manifestos a legal obligation, not a wish list that can be cherry picked and ignored at a whim. If an elected government back tracks on it's promise it is forced to hold a new election. That way politicians might actually become accountable to their electorate.

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Some MPs tried to get out of the expenses thing with a letter from their mums :erm::D

Sounds horrible to me. Not every child in a delinquent who needs to conscripted into national service. Some are perfectly responsible people who just want live out their lifes without unwarranted interference from the state.

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I think this depends on what they are. I don't think it's realistic for a Government to be held accountible for all of their manifesto as Governments have to respond to events. Events which may well change the feasibility of their policies.

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A list of jobs is not equal to their availability. There is a recession and massive job losses in this country at the moment. It's not possible for everyone to get a job in the best of times, let alone during a recession. Would people be unable to get unemployment benefit then?

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But that is the fundamental problem with today's politics. It's precisely because the politicians say one thing and then go off and do something else, or don't do anything, that there is widespread distrust and suspicion.

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1 Overhaul the taxation system so that "everyone" pays a fair proportion according to income (rather than the lowest earners paying a higher proportion of their income than the highest earners).

2 Limit the banks interest charges to a certain percentage above the base rate (hopefully this will stop them making loans to those who cannot afford it).

3 Tai-Chi for everyone before they start work or school.

Plus everything Gaz said. :D

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I thought this is how it worked. Top earners can reach 50% of their pay!

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Didn't say they were, all would benefit from it though and if you don't fancy it, tuff I am in charge :cool:

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You better be careful, don't want to make my enemies list before/during my reign of terr..I mean "progress". ;)

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LOL @ Xientie Stop the benefits and welfare program what a stupid idea LOL!.

So people like myself who is ill not through their own fault and cant work wouldnt be able to live there really are some small minded people.

these r mine.

1. Stop the immigration from other countries to the UK and help British Citizens over immigants to the UK.

2. Bring back corporal punishment. I do think if this is brough back to schools especially such as the cane then kids will start to have more respect and crime will start to dip after a few years.

3. People who have kids just because they dont want to work will be forced to work atleast 20hrs a week and childcare will be found for them.

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I am VERY surprised how many people are advocating changing the voting system to Proportional Representation :o:

This silly system was the ONLY reason the BNP got 2 MEP seats. Whilst I agree we need some sort of reform we also need to keep out the lunitic fringe from all sides.

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My three would be -

a) Provide enough economic and political education to enable people to realise there are very rarely simple answers to very complex problems, and any solutions could take decades to implement and have an impact, and they can only be dealt with one step at a time (to make sure the changes implemented are having positive effects) - there are very rarely overnight simple quick fixes.

b) Provide equality of opportunity for all, regardless of sex, sexuality, ethnicity, religion, disability, etc.

c) MPs would be Independent, representing their constituency, selected by lottery for a maximum term of five years (think of it a long jury service).

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I would put in charge my 3 favourite politicians, and let them have fun trying to sort it all out. Don't ask me why, but I always like the baddies best! :batty: 1) Peter Mandleson 2) Michael Portillo 3) Boris Johnson. :D

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If l was PM for this country, l would implement with immediate effect;

1) BAN all immagrants from walking into this country, if you don't have a job or house/flat, you cannot come in.

2) The NHS is for the public who have resided in this country before 2005, after this date, you will have to pay for the health care.

3) Council poperty will only be given to those that ARE on the housing lists, and NOT who have just come into the country.

4) Employment Centres MUST give the first choice to people who have just been made redundant, or those on jobseekers with families.

5) This country must allow a benefit system that fits the persons needs, ie his last employment paid £16.000 per year, this is what the government will pay on a weekly basis. (other countries pay this, why can't we)

6) IF you are an immagrant, and you break British law, you WILL be deported,

7) IF you are in prison for a trivial offence, you will be allowed community service, to repay your debt to society.

9) IF you are a member of the armed service, no matter how long you serve, you will allowed FREE travel, flights, entertainment, football, medical care, private or NHS fastrak, to repay our debt to your commitment to our freedom.

10) OAP's will be given anything they need to live out there days, no more poverty.

11) NHS staff, ie GPs, Drs and Nurses will be given decent wages.

Where will all this money come from to back this all up, STOP the stupid wages paid to our MPs who sit on there backsides doing nothing but push a pen, go on very long holidays, my wages for this position, would be £20.000 per year, that is enough to live on, wait for our vote, stop all the finance that this government give out to other countries, where this country's need is far greater,.

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Lol, How would you arrange this. Free football, flights and entertainment?

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Other countries can do this because people in other countries are willing to pay for this through considerably higher National Insurance contributions.

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Just thought of another law to scrap:

Having to pay extra to eat in but not pay extra if you sit outside or take away.

We are doing shops a favour by eating in their premises. It shows to other people it is a popular shop.

So ban all taxes that ask you to pay extra to eat in.

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They would be allowed this by contacting the various organistations, the club, airline etc.
They companies etc would get the money back via the government, that simple.:)

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I am going to a Arsenal game this weekend, £100 for two tickets pretty much. The Government is going to need a lot of money.

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:)
Hi Foreverwar, thank you for your comments, your comment ie Service personnel WOULD inlcude ex service personnel, the service personnel of this great country dserve much better than they they recieve now, if you have served in the services and have retired, you get the same, if you required treatment in your old age, you would get whatever treatment you needed NHS or private, your choice.

Your 'grandchilden' this barrier of 2005, this would apply to immagrants only, and no matter what way you came to to this country sailed a boat, dingy, if you want to come into the UK, you would need a JOB and a HOUSE/FLAT, if NOT you don't come in.

This great country of ours is bulging at the seams, I would stop this. I would stop this country being used as a moneybank for oversea's visitors who only want the freebees.:)

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Damien, are you service personnel, and prove it with your service number, if you have one, you would get it, if you haven't - forget it.

Many think might think that this special gift, might be expensive, but it is not, many clubs up and down the country do certain schemes, l believe some clubs in Scotland allow the unemployed into grounds at a reduced rate.

I want to give back something from this country to our armed forces for there hard work for the freedom we have today, and not the disgraceful treatment they get at the moment.:)

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hi Arthurgray ,i was in the royal engineers but didn't see active service do i qualify for your freebies?

if i was a company executive on 100k a year i lost my job does that mean my dole would be 100k p/a simply because it was the lifestyle i was used to?

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The wealthiest actually pay a smaller proportion of their income in tax if you include direct and indirect and the more money you have it seems most would rather pay an accountant than pay tax.

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Hey, I like his ideas - I am ex-services, and an IT Director; I am going to be rolling in it if I get made unemployed when Arthur is PM....:) Free holidays and entertainment, and loadsamoney for not working.

Vote for Arthur - you know it makes sense!

btw, Arthur, you said the "government" is going to pay for this -how? Binning all the MPs will give each nurse £157 per year pay rise - how are you going to pay for all the freebies, and my exorbitant, but very reasonable in your opinion, unemployment benefit?

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Hi Martgh, pure and simple to answer both your questions; I said ALL armed services would get the freebee.

and two, If you were a company exec. and you knew you were going to lose your job, you would be reading the Times and Telegraph on the Exec page for a positions long before you got laid off, and with the talent you would have, you wouldn't be on the dole,.:)

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Hi Foreverwar, In this great country of ours, we have MPs on thousands and they get expenses to, l would insist they do exactly the same as the normal working guy does, and earn a good living,. If we got rid of inmates of prisons on silly offences, that would save £2.500 per week per prisoner, got rid of all the luxuries they have, that would save us a lot of money also. I would also get rid of the CC.:)

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hi arthur,good fun this thread isn't it it's like playing political Sims

i don't think non-combatants like myself should get your freebies we didn't do anything to deserve it so it's a waste of money imo plus i don't go to football games can i go to the opera instead ?

the company i worked for(a bank) went bust because i was incompetent and gave all it's money away on loans that people couldn't afford to pay back ,i've hid all my bonus money in offshore accounts do i still get 100k dole money cos i can't get another job ,not realy trying to honest, 100k a year from the gov plus my offshore accounts will do nicely ta very much ;)

aggree with you on the prisoner idea though

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Never said I was in the service. I am far too much of a coward to be in the Army :erm:

I am all for better treatment but not that kind of excessive treatment. For a start the country can not afford it. Secondly its out of proportion to their efforts. It's not to degrade their service, which everyone should respect, but w hat about the countless other public servants?

Surely we need to include the Police, Firemen, Paramedics as well?

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Maybe free entry to war related events, eg. events, museums, air shows, etc would be better.

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Ah but the FPTP system is how we ended up with Labour Claming a mandate with only 30% of the vote. :dozey:

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Man U vs Man City matches....;)

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Hi Foreverwar, As you said you are ex service personnel, this would apply to you, and you would get the ticket, l would say one thing, someone mentioned Banks and how they throw away money on loans to people who cannot pay them back.

Do you know how much crap l get through my door on loans from banks, trouble is they give money away in loans, but if the person cannot pay within say six months due to work etc, the banks are quick enough to bring the DC's in and get tough on you, I would stamp that out, and bring in an arrangement to help both sides sorting the debt out in a amicable manner, my son nearly commited suicide over a certain bank, that l won't mention.

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As I've never served in the armed forces Arthur I wouldn't qualify for all your freebies, "but" I did spend five years in the cubs and sea scouts, would this allow me to have reduced benefits? say free UK and European air travel, but not long haul destinations?;)

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I served overseas and in Norn Iron - do I get upgraded to Club Class? :D

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Hi Frogstamper, the answer to your question - would be no, you would have to be in the armed services.:)

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Mr Irony has officially left the building.........;)

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Set the wage for MP's to be the same as the average wage for the rest of the UK (maybe with say 10% extra)

No expenses, for those living outside London I'm sure some housing could be sourced for them, and any donations etc have to be published to see just who is helping them financially.

Lets see how many of them are desparate to get into Politics after that.

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I actually agree with a few of Arthur's points except for

Why? Why should they? Honestly they do the job for their own gain and they know all the risks so why should they be treated differently to any other person??? Still annoys me how a lot of them get compensation for being injured in a job they know all the risks for.

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You annoyed people in the army get compensation for death and/or injury :erm: That's kind of harsh. They deserve that compensation, it is after all in the service of the country. Same with the Police and Firemen.

I simply do not agree they warrant free flights/football matches/entertainment. Far too expensive. I would like to see a discount for servicemen (any service: Army, Police, NHS and so on) offered at more places.

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I never understand this logic, their job is not akin to the "average joes" job. They need to be smart, they need to work long hours (which they do, sometimes weekends. Even Parliament recess which people complain about is not a full vacation as they return to work in their constituencies). You are consistently n the public eye, generally disliked by the population, and it's not exactly an easy job to get.

£65,000 is not exactly overkill for such a job.

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Hi DerekS, the way l would sort the wages for MPs would be quite simple, we know the old fiddle such as 'family' members working for £40.000 per year, this would be stopped, for the simple reason would be, if they work for 'my' government, they would have to apply for it, and they would receive the same wage as, £15.000.

We all know that MPs have there so called members working for them is a load of old cobblers, l would stop this, as this is there way of fiddling money out of you, and you pay my wages in your taxes.:)

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:bump:

So elections are coming up once again.... Would you make any more changes to the running of this country if you were the Prime Minister?

I would do the following few more things to my earlier posts:

1. Build a block of flats in central London. These would have a bunch of bedrooms, bathroom facilities, and an I.T. and conference room downstairs.
This would be where all MP's would stay whilst on business in London.
No big costs on second homes or hotel fees, just basic accomodation.

2. If you are on benefits and not actively seeking work, you are given a job automatically. If you refuse to do it, you don't get any more benefits.

3. Have one day a week where all public transport is free. This would encourage people to leave their cars behind.

4. Have the equivilant of flight marshals on buses to patrol the idiot teenagers that smoke or create hell for everyone else every day.

5. Encourage businesses to stop work on a wednesday and only work in the mornings. Wednesday afternoons would be advertised as a time for families and for sporting activities.

6. Allow school halls to become shelters overnight for the homeless and employ staff to run these.

7. To pay for all these changes, new taxes would be introduced:

- Any newcomer to this country would have to pay a yearly rental fee for living in this country. All british citizens would not have to pay this fee.

- More people taking up work would mean more money to the government.

- If you drop litter in the street you will marched to a cash point and will have to pay an instant £50 fine.

- If you use public transport or walk and do not own a vehicle you will not have to pay an environment protection tax that would be £100 a year.

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Oh ! So while you sit in your house, safe and warm, while other men and women are wearing the uniform, leaving their loved ones behind, and getting their limbs blown off, comming home with PTSD after seeing their mates immolated, or, getting slotted by some ****** assed > insert nationality of Muj fighter here <. And yet you are getting annoyed that young men, and women, are getting compensated for the loss of limbs, being maimed, and dying. So that gutless, whining turds like you can gob off on internet forums about how they are such a waste of money.... Good thing we dont have to rely on you to keep civilization from going down the toilet any faster than it is....

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I agree with him to an extent, although not on the compensation issue, that in all of these ideas there is a subtext that those in the military should be elevated to some higher form of citizenry. Discounted travel, free entry to football matches, discounts in stores, priority for government services and so on are all suggestions made in this, and other, topics.

There are plenty of other people who contribute massively to society. Police, Doctors and Nurses, Firemen, Teachers. Yet the amount of people that seem to think that the army are alone in their status is irritating.

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The examples you give tend not to have the same "wastage" rate as the armed forces, nor is it part of their everyday job to expect that "wastage" rate (imho).

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But I don't disagree with compensation as a result and a decent pension as well as money to the family of the solider if they died. I was questioning the extra entitlements some think they should get, and pointing out the contribution of other sectors of society.

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So you were - sorry.

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Sounds good to me, although:

- Extra cheese = extra cows = more methane gas = more pollution = environmentalists upset.

- More cheese to eat = fatter people = doctors and dieticians upset = higher health costs.