Government to put CCTV in your home
 

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/

http://gizmodo.com/5328825/britain-p...their-homework

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...worst-families

Disgusting.

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Ok where did i put that tinfoil hat. :)

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so basically the annoying family in ur street now gets monitored.
seems good to me.

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Are they are giving their permission first ?

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No doubt they will be paid and get protection from the police if these are installed in homes.
If it gets rid of nuisance scallys from the area and robbery's etc...
What's the problem?
I see none.
But if it goes further and starts interfering with ordinary peoples lives in some way or the other, i have a problem with that.
I.e...
Spying.
But upon reading more.
What would happen if say some parents let there kids out after 10pm and they get caught?
What would be there punishment?
No authority imo, should be allowed to say when and what can be out on such and such a time.
There stepping over the marks really with this.
Other then removing scally gangs, which is good.
Doesn't seem like a good idea in general.

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"ordinary people" ?

I'm sure this must be a breach of human rights to have CCTV installed in your PRIVATE home. If the government want to monitor them then put them in prison, just have to find a reason to do so:rolleyes:

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This is Wonder Gordon's plan to wipe out unemployment.

First it will be 'problem' families.

The program will be such a success it will be expanded to include everyone, that's where the clever bit comes in, you are assigned a person to watch for 12 hours a day, when your shift's over, they watch you for 12.

I should be in politics!

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It could be a condition of an ASBO or something that troublesome families are monitored

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For all we know, you could well be Gorden Brown giving us a future glimpse of good ol England?

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In 'ordinary people', i mean people who don't give other people **** like them pikey chavvy mother fookers who are around to much these days.

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The first two links get their story from the third link, which is, surprise, surprise, the Daily Diana.....

Here is the actual story, from the DCSF - strangely enough, nothing in there about "24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes"; even read the Youth Crime Action Plan, and can't find any mention of it there either.

For those wanting a bit of context, this announcement by Ed Balls seems to be tied to the publication of a document tracking progress against the UK Government's Youth Crime Action Plan, published just over a year ago. From what I can understand the 'sin bins' appear to be 'Family Intervention Projects'. These started to be set up in 2006 and are based on a famous project run by NCH, a childrens' charity, called the Dundee Families Project and running since 1995. The project works with families with significant involvement in crime or anti-social behaviour. Here is a bit more background, on what they provide:

- Residential Support via a core block, where up to three families can live. These are
families who have been excluded from local authority housing because of a history of anti-social behaviour. Staff have regular contacts with families on a daily basis and practically every aspect of family life comes under scrutiny. Inappropriate behaviour is challenged and also counterbalanced with support to encourage change. Parents are assisted in establishing routines and boundaries for children and their parenting style may be challenged.

- Community Based Support via dispersed tenancies. This is normally used as a transitional measure for families moving out of the core block, but may, in the right circumstances, be offered to families living in temporary accommodation, who have poor tenancy histories. Acceptance of a programme of support is a condition of occupancy. The eventual goal is to assist the family in re-settling, with a view to the tenancy becoming permanent.

- Outreach Support to families who are Dundee City Council tenants, and who are at risk
of losing their tenancy because of concerns about their behaviour. Methods used include: one-to-one work with parents and/or children; children’s groups; family group work; anger management; developing home-skills; parenting groups using established programmes; video work; tenancy workshops, focussing on responsibilities as well as rights. Referrals will also be made, where appropriate, to specialist services, such as drug alcohol or mental health services.

- Support Plans: all families have detailed support plans which are tailored to meet the needs of family members. Other agencies’ contributions are included, and the Project takes a central role in co-ordinating the support plan. This means that all – Project, family, and other agencies, are held accountable for their contribution. Support plans are reviewed and
adjusted on a six weekly basis.

I haven't yet figured out where the CCTV fits in.

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Agreed, scaremongering by the tabloids...

But anything from a .gov.uk website is government propaganda:
Blatant electioneering IMO...

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Probably here

http://www.zazzle.com/apex_certified...86613854549873

If this though ever happened it would have to be via a court order and would probably only be used for problematic children and to enforce yet again a court social behaviour order

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From the Daily Telegraph. The rest of the article is here. I think it's a small step to using them in people's own homes.

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Context is all - you missed out the part that admitted it was wrong....

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It's an assessment centre, to assess people's ability to look after their kids.

How exactly, are they meant to assess people if they can't see what they are doing? Having a social worker in there with them the entire time defeats the purpose of assessing how they cope on their own.

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Does anyone have a ball park figure as to the amount of money, for the country as a whole, that is annually spent on CCTV installation, maintenance, wages and the like?

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total bulls..t.

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That they did it at all was shocking enough.

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Yes it's an assessment centre. Watching people with CCTV cameras is just a bit too Orwellian for my tastes. I think assessing a child's happiness and general demeanor ought to be enough to assess his or her parents abilities. Certainly putting a camera in their bedroom went too far.

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It's not enough though, not by any stretch of the imagination.

These centres aren't used for normal parents, they're used for parents with disibilities that can effect how they look after their children, especially those with severe learning difficulties. You cannot tell from a young childs demeanor how good their parents are at looking after them. If you could then Baby P would never have happened.

You also have to be aware that these centres actually give the parents a chance to keep their children. In many cases if they couldn't be assessed like this then their child would be taken away from them and taken into care at birth.

It wasn't THEIR bedroom, it was a bedroom at the assessment centre. One that in many cases is probably also used for young babies in cots in the same room as the parents. It wasn't a case of "we'll put a camera in here to see how well they sleep" it was a case of them being put in a room that happened to have a camera in there, due to what the room is used for.

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It's more than enough!

I know what an "assessment centre" is. Baby P was a whole different thing. His mother did not have learning difficulties and they were not in an assessment centre. And a social worker ought to be able to tell enough about a child's parents' parenting skills by observing that child's demeanor and how he or she interacts with his or her parents openly.

If parents really do need the kind of help that is offered by these centres, I'd question whether they are ever going to be fit parents. But if this is not just a hopeless gimmick, we'll see the assessment centres' success rates. I wsh them every success.

It was THEIR bedroom for the duration of their stay, and and their child slept separately in a nursery. The intention might well be good, but what are social workers? Voyeurs? The cameras should never have been switched on.

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No, his mother didn't. Yet social workers, despite visiting the family many times, were unable to tell that the parents were incapable of looking atfer him by the childs demeanor alone. Which is my point, you're claiming observation of the childs behaviour alone is enough to tell if parents are capable, but time and time again social services have been unable to use the childs demeanor to make the right call. Obviously it's not enough.

These things are also about a child at birth, not several months or years down the line, you leave a child with an incapable parent at birth and the first thing you know could be when the child is dead from neglect, you might not even have chance to check their demeanor, and with babies it's incredibly difficult to tell if anything is wrong anyway.

So CCTV observation is wrong, but judging someone as not being a fit parent based on a learning disability alone is ok? These centres are an alternative to taking children into care immediately, they give the parents a chance to show they are capable when otherwise they'd have lost their children based on their disabilities alone.

My aunt is deaf with severe learning difficulties, she had a child, and before he was even born he was put on the at risk register, and as soon as he was born they wanted to put him into temporary foster care until they could get a place in an assessment centre to see if she could cope. If the assessment centres didn't exist she'd never have got that chance.

In all likeliness they didn't know how to switch the things off, and never gave it a second thought.

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But social workers should have been able to tell after visiting the family many times. Baby P suffered months of cruelty and they apparently believed his mother's excuses. Perhaps things might have been different had his case worker been more experienced and less overworked. Time and time again the signs have been perfectly obvious and social workers still make the wrong call.

That's not in dispute, but what do you suggest? What is enough? Would you support the use of CCTV cameras in private homes for instance?

CCTV observation of someone in a place where they are entitled to expect privacy is wrong. In an assessment centre, provided the subjects know they are under CCTV observation and not in a place where they should be entitled to some privacy, it's acceptable. I'm dubious about how effective assessment centres will be, but I did not say they should not exist, indeed I said I wished them every success. I can see that they might be especially useful in disability cases where a parent might otherwise lose their child, and I'd never judge someone's fitness as a parent on their disability alone. That would be absolutely monstrous.

But social workers also overreach themselves. What do you think of this case in which a family "agreed" to spend time in an assessment centre?

You trust the state a lot more than I do.