Failed mother of 13 pregnant again!
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/59...ant-again.html

13 children to date, all 13 already in care and yet another probably to follow in due course in which case she's apparently claimed she'll just carry on procreating until they let her keep one..... :shocked: :mad:

What can realistically be done about irresponsible people like this whose negligence represents such a risk to their poor offspring?

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Is it just me, or do that couple look suspiciously like they were already related before they had kids?

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Just told my partner about this one and their comment was that it's a good excuse for a trail on permenant sterilization of people like this...

and I tend to agree :rolleyes:

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How bad at parenting must they be to have all their kids taken into care?

Nope they are treating you as a potential danger to the lives of your children so it doesn't get to that stage.

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There was an MP up here a few years back calling for women addicted to drugs to be put on long term contraception. Quite predictably all the rest of them freaked about it being against their human rights and reminisant of the nazis.

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And yet people have no problem stopping people from having animals (eg dogs, horses) if they mistreat them.

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What a conicidence - having the same number of children as your IQ. :(

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Nothing unfortunately :(

Mum has just been given a 10 day old baby who's suffering both alcohol and drug withdrawal, she's a lovely little thing and doesn't deserve ths start in life. But one thing is for sure, she will be taken permanently by the courts and adopted by people who really want a child and can't have one for whatever reason - so some good does come of it :)

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have her steralised that will sort her out and stop her

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If she can keep getting up the duff and cope with the pregnancies with her 'disability', why is she 'too sick to work'?

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It *might* be a vicious slur but just maybe she is one of people who exaggerate their symptoms in order to get the higher level of benefit payout and provoke headlines in the Daily Mail.

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Her condition apparently ensures she has to spend a lot of time on her back. ;)

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she is probably sh....d out.

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Shagged bandy more like.

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sterilization would be the only thing to stop her by the look of it, it's folks like her who get those who genuinely need the benefit system tarred with the same brush.

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Having 13 children (probably to be 14) taken into care amounts to child abuse IMHO - something the courts rightly take very seriously. It appears that this excuse for a mother is yet another example of the type of person for whom no amount of advice, encouragement or assistance by the authorities is sufficient to change their attitude. In such cases more drastic action is clearly required. Perhaps loss of benefits, housing entitlement and even prison might focus her pathetic mind a tad more but that wouldn't suit those professional 'liberals' (like the 'expert' I heard on the radio this morning) who continue to make excuses for and refuse to condemn such reckless inadequates, thereby perpetuating the problem. In today's Britain you can wind up in jail for all sorts of misdemeanors but apparently there are no real sanctions for **** like this... :mad:

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It wasn't that long ago we used to do just that, 40-50 years ago perhaps and for a lot less than knocking out 13 kids

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OMG, they're from Luton, only about 6 miles away from me, they live on marsh farm estate to be exact which is an area I go through sometimes and even with two big doggies in the car I still lock the door.

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Here here. Stich her up so she can't have anymore and before the human rights people start lambasting my post I don't care, people like her need sterilizing to protect anymore children she decides to bring into this world.

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One woman I know got sterilized under orders from the Social Services, she had 5 kids all with different men, the Social Services got involved and forced her to be sterilized to protect herself and the rest of her children. This was about 20 years ago when we were in the real world and not this PC society we are in today.

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Saw this story and i couldn't believe the attitude of this woman with the "i will keep having them till they let me keep one". How about love you get off your back a bit more be a decent mother in the first place and then you would still have the first one. Then you wouldn't need to keep knocking them out so they become a problem for a lot of people instead of just you and your productive hubby (only way he does seem to be productive).

Seriously this woman has to be stopped, i am assuming though perhaps wrongly that social services wouldn't have taken 13 away from her without good reason. If it was good enough to remove 13 kids it is good enough to have her sterilised to prevent her bringing more into the world where they will wait to be rescued from this truly terrible human being.

I don't normally call for anyones benefit to be stopped but in this case i think it should be. If she can go through this many pregnancies i am sure there is work she could be doing. Also maybe if he wasn't up all night making babies or seeing to them (till they are removed) the husband might have enough energy to get a job as well.

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I'd say that both her, and her scrub partner both deserve sterilization. Not just because they are (most likely crap parents) a danger to any child they have, but also because they are obviously diluting the gene-pool.

People like this make me want to puke....

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I hate it when people sit on the fence.

What do you really think of them?


:D:D:D

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Trying to read a string of starred out words, having had my colourful, yet inarticulate swearing on a public forum, sanitised by the system would make for boring reading I fear. ;)

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What I find almost incomprehensible is that people of this ilk seem to be more than happy to expose themselves in the press and on crappy TV shows like Jeremy Kyle, do they honestly think they are going to gain the publics sympathy?
Surely if you'd made that many mistakes in your life you'd want to keep your head down, not go shouting from the rooftops woe is me...have they not one iota of shame?

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No they are completely shameless and proud of it most of the time and also very deluded and do think they have a story that deserves sympathy. While i feel that in some cases in this country the benefits system is not fair to a great many that deserve it's help there is a small group who do not deserve to be on benefit and thats what we have here.

They clearly have time and energy to waste and i believe in thier case they should be made to make far better use of both for their own and the countrys good in general. Until we tighten up the benefit system something which no genuine claimant has a problem with if done correctly, we will continue to see examples like this and the media will report them as it suits their agenda that all on benefit are of the same low moral and ethical standing as these people.

Something that is completely untrue in the vast majority of cases and i for one despise these people and all they stand for, they do not represent me or any claimant i know.

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Gawd they're blatant inbreds, no wonder some of the kids have got illnesses :eek:.

She should be sterilised for definite, or if not, sent to prison. There shouldn't be any "human rights" when she's allowed to keep breeding and can't/won't look after her own kids. Especially when she's breeding with her cousin/dad/uncle/brother (all of those).

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Well let us hope that there are complications, enough for her to be sterilised this time.:(

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:rant:
what's the betting that in a few weeks time she's back in the papers having been "spied on" by the social and caught out walking normally (which i understand is her disability).She's drawn attention to herself now so they will be watching
As a partnership they get over a £1000 pm ,thats more than my wife who is working .
stop the benefits they get while a full investigation is done into why they get these benefits ,if it is found that she genuinely does have a disability then give her a wheel chair and send her out to work ,after all every employer in the country has to have disabled amenities to accommodate any worker with a disability,so she can't use that as an excuse for not working .
I am sick and tired of supporting spongers like these with the taxes i pay ,what happened to all the tough talk from Blair/brown about clamping down on benefit fraud it seems to me that when they come across a case like this they shy away from it because it means someone will have to make a tough decision and might lead to criticism of the government ,well that's tough ,make the damn decisions get these people off benefits drag them by the hair if necessary to the job center and force them to take any job that they are physically capable of doing

rant over...feel better now

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hmm forced sterilisation of those we consider inferior in morals etc


very dangerous road

(NOTE i dont support her or think what she is doing is good or that so much money should go their way )

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that's why i havn't mentioned sterilisation in the above rant because that is not the answer ,however tempting it is to place ourselves on a moral pedastal that is a very dangerous road to go down
there will always be people who are not fit to be parents so i think the best way to deal with them is to take the kids off them and give the kids to a loving family who want them ,there are plenty of them

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Just as a note for some of those that might not be aware yes the laws on disability are there but the reality of them does not always mean a disabled person could realistically work as i have found out myself. Main example being a workplace that made arrangements for disabled people to be carried into the building which sounds great till you find out the button to request the help was at the top of a flight of twenty stairs :confused:.

These people deserve absolutely no sympathy and i highly doubt they are legitimate claimants in that they could find employment if they tried which i have no doubt also they are not trying. As for forced sterilisation i agree in 99.9% of cases i would oppose it completely but in cases like this where we are talking about 13 kids already taken into care and adopted\fostered at a cost of millions apparently and a 14th on the way this is a case where i believe the courts should be able to make a judgement.

Until we get rid of people like this from the benefit system it makes it all too easy to minimalise the system as a whole and to make all claimants look like sponging freeloaders which is the impression our media would like every working person to have.

Just as lousy parents, bad teenagers and criminals in general are only a tiny percentage of the country as a whole so are ******* fraudulent claimants and if we lose sight of that we risk the system being no use to anyone no matter what their circumstance which is something i think would be as bad as forced sterilisation as a general attitude.

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Totally agree, but the next question is - how?

The media itself has a lot to answer for, by giving them the column inches in the first place. I assume that they have been paid for the stories, so I only hope that their benifits will now be suspended, pending review of their assets.

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They will never allow her to keep one as what she is doing is showing her pathetic mentality which appears subnormal and below normal.

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have to take issue with the wheel chair remark

you do not have to be in as wheel chair to be disabled and should avoid being in one for as long as you can

i am fed up with the idea that because they can walk they are not disabled many of us have conditions which are made more painful by walking but choose to do so because we need the exercise to keep fit and live a semi active family life

yes there are cheats ( not as many as some try to make out ) who go off and do football etc but that is not the same as walking often in pain to the shops

whether she is having them on on her disability i do not know but the idea that because some one walks means they are fiddling is wrong and offensive

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A number of people spend considerable amounts of money hiring surrogate mothers to produce children for them. In a way she's providing a service for childless couples.

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How do we get them off the system well a couple of easy ways to me one for incapacity benefit have two initial rates medically confirmed and non confirmed. You would then have two other categorys of short term and long term that would make it easier for the powers that be to at least have an idea where to target any crackdown as long term medically confirmed would obviously be harder to get and a lot lot harder to fake.

On the unemployment side i do believe in some form of work for benefit in a vocational way not simply having them picking up rubbish off country roads and such but something that will genuinely help them get work. Not five days a week maybe three a week with the other two being used to help claimants with job applications, cv's and interview techniques to give them the best possible chance.

I know when i was once unemployed that would have made me very happy as it would have kept me in a routine and shown perspective employers i had done something with my time other then sit about getting my giro.

I have to agree on the wheelchair comment because if you saw me walk out of my house i might appear a little slow but would seem fine see me fifty metres down the road then you would see something was wrong. Like many i am stubborn and simply refuse to go to the chair even though being totally honest i probably should. This is where we have to be careful you cannot judge from quick impressions and also someone might be fine walking from their home to town or something but then spend two or three or more days paying for it.

As to the media right now i have complete contempt for them and the way they are manipulating many areas of public opinion usually in keeping with their foreign owner's views not those of the vast majority of the british public.

Who by and large are still fair are still generous and would never refuse help to those in genuine need. But we do need to make our system tight enough for the confidence to return that those getting benefit do indeed need it and deserve it.

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you dont seem to understand that to get invalidity you already need to get it medically confirmed

there are some conditions that though are always going to be not diagnosable other than by what the person reports the condition to be ( back pain for example )

if they do something they say they cant do and get caught then they loose their benefits this wont get any easier or harder to do with a confirmed and unconfirmed label

if you want to save money though ad that's your main aim i take it then getting rid of the investigating arm of the invalidity would be the way as they spend over £1 for every 62p they save ( and that's based on their idea of what would have been lost if they hadnt caught those they did lol )

see http://www.nao.org.uk/news/0708/0708102.aspx

the biggest travesty of invalidity is not who it pays out to that it shouldnt but the amount it never pays to those it should

see http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1..._shocker.shtml

as to those on job seakers or even the disability working benefits i should imagine most would love to do some work especially if it helped them into work or to keep up their skills

but the best way to do that has been blocked by successive governments which is to allow them to claim while doing charity work

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No Roger you need a doctor to sign something to say you have a problem that is not the same as medically confirmed by a specialist with hard data to backup that you have a disability or specific limiting medical condition. Right now we have too many doctors signing people onto the sick for the daftest reasons and not having the time and the resources to actually make sure someone is always telling the truth or that the problem they have actually exists.

Take back pain most gp's will take the word of a patient that they have it and refer them to a specialist for it to be sorted out which can take a long long time and is the most common thing fraudulent claimants state as their medical problem. This is what i mean by restoring the confidence of people in the system.

Right now so many whether because of the media or by someone they have heard of think that most people on incapacity benefit are lead swinging spongers with no real problem and are happy to grab that generalisation brush and tar everyone with it.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a system where people were confident that those getting incap were limited and deserved it instead of what we have now.

I am not actually sure how good the so called investigating arm is because over the years i have called that hotline to report people blatently ripping off the system and not a thing has ever happened to anyone and most of the people i have reported i know many others have also called the hotline reporting them.

In cases like this one people are waiting to see a strong response from the system to see that actually benefit and the welfare state in general is not something that can be abused and when it doesn't happen all claimants and those in need suffer because of it.

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why would you take issue with the wheelchair remark roger ?
if she is that incapacitated to need a carer(her partner i understand) and cannot work because of her disability then remove the excuse of "i can't walk properly so i can't work" give her a wheelchair or walking sticks or whatever she needs, and get the sponger out to work
believe me roger she is not disabled in any way she is milking the system and taking money of genuinely deserving cases, so i say scare the living daylights out of the pair of them ,remove any excuses they have for not working (if that means giving them a wheelchair then so be it )and refuse to pay any more disability allowance until they find a job and if they refuse to find a job throw them in jail for benefit fraud

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While i am not defending this particular woman not being able to walk properly is usually a symptom of a much more serious condition that you cannot easily see and will not be sorted by simply plonking someone in a wheelchair.

I agree in this case it is unlikely she is as bad as she says as by my logic if she is bad enough not to work she wouldn't be in a hurry to keep having kids. I wish some action were announced in this case because i am sure there is more here then what we read in the papers and that was bad enough.

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giving some one a wheel chair doesn't make them capable of work

unless we have all the details there is no way of knowing exactly what she has wrong with her if anything is

diagnosing people from media reports seems daft and unproductive to say the least

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that's not how disability works your Dr has little or nothing to do with you getting benefits now

you can get sick-pay for a while on a Drs note but to progress to invalidity or other benefits will require you seeing several Drs and other people employed by the benefits agencies

see

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/...ho_cannot_work

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Well i am going by my experience Roger i saw my gp he put me on the sick i saw a consultant he diagnosed me i then applied for incapacity benefit at the jobcentres persistent insistance after being on it a year i was awarded full disability i havn't seen any benefits agency medical personnel at all.

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I think the difference there is that, you, like me are on incapacity benefit, not ESA where the rules are different.

I understand that ALL will have to have dr's checks at some point.

Incidentally, I've not had to see an atos / job centre doctor yet.

But now that I've said that I probably will ;)

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I wouldn't have a problem going to see any doctor from any agency given i have a condition that cannot be denied or at this time cured so i will await my nice letter from the happy people :).

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iindeed, I guess all they have to do is look into my eyes and they can see what's wrong with me :)