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Osem	24-07-2009 12:54

More gloom for Brown - Tories win by-election

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8166398.stm

Good!

punky

24-07-2009 12:59

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

Having a younger female MP must annoy the Lib Dems as well. They can no longer get any mileage out of pimping Sarah Teather around - especially to the yoof.

ginge51

24-07-2009 13:56

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

What ****es me off with all these by elections/general elections is, why is it 'ALWAYS' between just the 2 parties?
Labour and the other idiots?
Has another party 'EVER' been another party in power in the U.K?

Derek

24-07-2009 14:02

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

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Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34840157)

Has another party 'EVER' been another party in power in the U.K?

Short answer - Yes

Long answer - See here for starters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_and_overview

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Prior to the mid-19th century politics in the United Kingdom was dominated by the Whigs and the Tories. These were not political parties in the modern sense but somewhat loose alliances of interests and individuals. The Whigs were associated with the newly emerging moneyed industrial classes, and the Tories were associated with the landed gentry, the Church of England and the Church of Scotland.

Nidge

24-07-2009 14:55

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34840113)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8166398.stm

Good!

Brown is finished all he's doing is delaying the inevitable. I think there'll be some back bench revolt over this.

punky

24-07-2009 15:31

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Has ol' Gordy fed up his usual patronising platitudes such as "...we're listening..." and "...we're learning lessons..." yet?

Notice the "we". He'd never say I as that would implicate some kind of responsibility would fall on him.

Mick Fisher

24-07-2009 16:51

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

The result is what was expected.

Makes no difference to the man in the street. Labour losers or Tory's in control? We will still get royally shafted. :shocked:

Maggy

24-07-2009 17:11

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

Well it's hardly a surprise..:rolleyes:

Osem	24-07-2009 21:53

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

Even Brown couldn't have believed they'd win but, surprise or not, the scale of the defeat will have piled on the misery surrounding Downing Street very nicely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8167922.stm

Just looking at the statistics as compared with 2005, if my arithmetic is correct it appears that Brown's cronies saw their vote drop by c. 70%, the Lib Dems by 37% and the Tories by c. 13% whilst the actual turnout was down by c. 25%. I reckon Brown will be in denial, Cameron will be pleasantly surprised and Clegg will be wondering what he needs to do for the Lib Dems to be taken seriously ...

frogstamper

25-07-2009 00:12

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

Come next year when the general election is held, our crappy "first past the post" system will once again elect a party with minority support from the electorate.
As far as I'm aware no party has ever got more than 50% of the vote since the war, yet this somehow gives whoever it is a mandate to govern over the majority!!
PR would not only be a far more democratic way of electing our leaders, but also it would help introduce a more consensual form of politics in the UK, instead of the current school-yard confrontational bun fight we presently have.

RizzyKing

25-07-2009 02:19

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PR is all well and good except when the country is paralysed by constant weak governments having to do deals left and right to get anything done and usually making little or no real progress. While i agree that our current system is not perfect lets not pretend PR is some magical answer to all the problems. As for this result well four words from this for all labour mp's to remember "get used to it" because it isn't going to get any better next year for any of them.

Osem	25-07-2009 09:52

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

PR certainly isn't the panacea some seem to think it is but I reckon the BNP might like it very much...

Anyway back to the topic:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8168463.stm

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Ex-home secretary Charles Clarke blamed the result on Mr Brown's "incompetent" treatment of outgoing MP Dr Ian Gibson.

Senior backbencher Barry Sheerman said the result was a "self-inflicted wound" and warned Mr Brown had until the end of the summer to reconnect with voters.

And left-winger John McDonnell said the prime minister had made a "terrible miscalculation"...

However:

Quote:

Tony Lloyd, chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party, insisted there was "no leadership crisis taking place".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No, of course not..... :rolleyes:

Sirius

25-07-2009 09:57

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win by-election

I just wish he would take the hint and do one. The way its going he will be remembered as the Labour prime minister that had the biggest defeat in a election.

Osem	25-07-2009 10:00

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Despite his recent claims about how he could just leave it all behind, Brown plotted and schemed to get power for years and won't give it up. He'd rather see his party destroyed at the next election than admit he's in any way to blame for their failures.

BTW, is it just me or does Cameron's new girl on the block* look and sound like a 'B' grade clone of Ruth Kelly?** :D

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8166769.stm

** http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4100061.stm

RizzyKing

25-07-2009 12:17

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I really don't think anyone in the parliamentary labour party has enough of a spine to really do GB any damage and if by some miracle one was found they wouldn't find enough of them to get shot of him. I think some of them are happy to lumber on till the next election and let us do it for them such is the calibre of them.

TheDaddy

27-07-2009 01:05

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win bye election

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34840117)

Having a younger female MP must annoy the Lib Dems as well. They can no longer get any mileage out of pimping Sarah Teather around - especially to the yoof.

Just what the country is short of, another career ploitician :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34840725)

BTW, is it just me or does Cameron's new girl on the block* look and sound like a 'B' grade clone of Ruth Kelly?

No it's not just you, I thought the new girl was his daughter....

Osem	27-07-2009 11:02

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34841622)

No it's not just you, I thought the new girl was his daughter....

HIS??? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

;)

Taf	27-07-2009 11:35

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Brown can't go until he assures Bliar his place as EU President... Mandy will see to that.

Meanwhile it'll be promises, denials, shafting and lies... and more national debt added for when the Conservatives take over... when taxes will rise, expenditure drop, employment fall... all to sort out Labour's screw-ups... then back to Labour again to complete the cycle and start all over again...

freezin

27-07-2009 13:17

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34841734)

Brown can't go until he assures Bliar his place as EU President... Mandy will see to that.

I think there are some people in Europe who might well have other ideas. Cameron, however, has said his party should do nothing to oppose Blair's candidacy.

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Meanwhile it'll be promises, denials, shafting and lies... and more national debt added for when the Conservatives take over... when taxes will rise, expenditure drop, employment fall... all to sort out Labour's screw-ups... then back to Labour again to complete the cycle and start all over again...

So how long do you think the Conservatives, if elected, can get away with blaming the Labour Party for?

Pierre

27-07-2009 13:18

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34841622)

Just what the country is short of, another career ploitician :rolleyes:

Whilst I welcome the result, I have to agree.

Not wanting to be reverse age-ist, but I want my politicians to have had full life experiences from which to draw on.

I commend the young lady on wanting to get involved in politics but she's too young for my liking.

I know some people at 27, may be parents, and have responsible jobs and alike from an early age.

When I was 27, I didn't own my own home, I worked hard and partied harder and had a whale of a time doing it. That is what this girl should be doing.

I reckon 40, should be about the minimum age to become an MP.

Osem	27-07-2009 13:35

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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34841787)

So how long do you think the Conservatives, if elected, can get away with blaming the Labour Party for?

Time will tell but Bliar, Brown and their cronies have been blaming the Tories ever since 1997 so I hope they won't complain too loud when the boot's on the other foot.......

TheDaddy

27-07-2009 17:05

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34841718)

HIS??? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

;)

Yes his. If it walks like a man, talks like a man and looks like a man, it's a man and not a very politically competent one either

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34841789)

:tu:

freezin

27-07-2009 17:08

Re: More gloom for Brown - Tories win by-election

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34841797)

Time will tell but Bliar, Brown and their cronies have been blaming the Tories ever since 1997 so I hope they won't complain too loud when the boot's on the other foot.......

I hope that was TIC. :)

Mick Fisher

27-07-2009 18:04

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34841902)

Yes his. If it walks like a man, talks like a man and looks like a man, it's a man and not a very politically competent one either

100% :tu:

:D

Osem	27-07-2009 21:26

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34841902)

Yes his. If it walks like a man, talks like a man and looks like a man, it's a man and not a very politically competent one either

Ah, so you weren't referring to Cameron after all... :D

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