How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Ok let me explain.

My family are heavily into the internet, streaming video, gaming, browsing etc. It is very difficult to manage this bandwidth availability (i.e can't game while one is streaming etc etc) and they never can agree. I've tried all sorts from allocating times, days, negotiation etc on internet etc etc.

This is what I want to........

Have a cable and an ADSL connection obviously running on different routers as they can't use the same router, however I want the 4/5 PCs in our house to be able to switch between these connections without having to unplug from one to go into another. I kinda want an internal network that can allow the clients to use either of the Internet (WAN) connections...

Is there anything I can sit in front of the 2 routers that can switch a client between routers? or am I just being silly?

Cheers, Shire

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Dual-WAN router is one possibility - something like this:

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...ProductID=2274

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

That is what I was thinking of although some sort of routing would need to be put in place to say traffic of type x or going to IP x go via router a etc. Not 100% up on networking so cannot be of much more use.

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

set them both up wirelessly with different keys and just change connections or set up all pcs with 2 network connections and just disable the one you dont want to use and swap and change

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Blimey 10 mins and 3 replies, this is the best help forum ever, thanks guys I'll look into these suggestions some more, Cheers, Shire

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Been asked before here:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87...-one-adsl.html

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

I do not think the op wants to bond . I think he wants 2 seperate connections with the ability to switch all machines to one or the other to stop conjection ( could be wrong but thats how I see it) Of course he could limit all the IPs to a share on bonded but if 2 or 3 of the 5 are on BT upload will cause network wide lag .

I feel my method is cheap and simple to impliment . Install a second nic in towers and have 2 wireless connections set up on the laptops and you can just change what network adapter you use to select network on towers and just switch wireless networks on laptops.Benieit of wireless in this is you only need one adapter per machine

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

The absolute best way to do this would be to get an old PC, like a Pentium 3 for example, and install Linux or FreeBSD. You can then have the 2 external interfaces (one for ADSL one for cable) and one internal for the LAN. With some clever use of setting routes you could do what you wanted.

Of course, the above assumes you know about networking and using a *nix based system. I don't know exactly how to do this myself, but i do know it is possible and is often used by hosting companies etc to balance load.

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

P'raps you need a Netgear DGFV338:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...ar-router.html

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

thanks for the replies, apologies for the delayed response, have been away. To clarify, I want to be able to allow any user to be able to switch from one connection to the other easily.

We could just switch LAN cable from one router to another, thus changing the connection, but this means physically switching cables and also means being on 2 seperate LANs.

A prefeered method would be that all PCs are on one LAN, but can switch between connection to the internet only, so we can keep, say the adsl line for gaming only, nad cable for surfing, streaming etc.

I'm looking at these dual WAN devices but there does not seem to be many reviews/trials of these devices on the net.

Cheers, Shire

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Just have one router set to 192.168.0.1 and the other set to 192.168.0.128, static IP the PC's to the same subnet and then just change the gateway/DNS* IP's dependant on the router you want.. There's even software out there that will allow you to put in two differing network details and switch at the click of a mouse.

*You don't even need to change the DNS or just use open DNS for both routers

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

thx, do you know what the software is called?

Cheers, shire

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

Check here for a few: http://www.download32.com/network-se...-software.html

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

but isnt that still 2 networks? how would this be wired to be only one?

If 2 seperate routers are used I would set up 2 different wireless networks with different ssids easy to switch between them wirelessly and then any wired machines id make sure machines have 2 nics and then you can easily switch between the 2. IMO these solutions I posted earlier are simple

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

The answer is a dedicated linux box using UNTANGLE which allows you to have 2 different WAN connections running on one network. It can load balance or switch to the other if service fails. Works great, I have 50mb Virgin, and 4MB BT business, it balances between them great and is also great when virgin goes offline on the rare occasion. I can continue to use the internet. Would recommend it to anyone.

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

OC your vital part in this threads case 'bonding/fallover' of UNTANGLE is payware Only, and its not clear if they are using OSS in that payware part.

wereas this is not http://www.zeroshell.net and zeroshell has far more options availiable to you.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/08/8.gif

http://www.zeroshell.net/eng/load-balancing-failover/
Is it really possible to increase the Internet connection bandwidth?

The answer to this question is not, "yes, absolutely." It depends on what you mean by increasing the Internet connection bandwidth.

In essence, the Net Balancer distributes requests originating from the LAN by round-robin (weighed) policy over multiple Internet gateways.

In other words, if at a given point in time there is only one LAN user making only one TCP connection (e.g. he executes only one download from the web), his traffic will flow from a single gateway, thus it would not benefit from balanced connections.

Instead, if the LAN is crowded with users, each executing multiple requests at the same time, as a whole, their connections will have access to a higher bandwidth, equal to the sum of the single-access bandwidths.

We then conclude that a single connection may never have more bandwidth than what offered by a single link, while multiple simultaneous connections will, on average, altogether have access to a greater bandwidth, which will stretch to the sum of the bandwidths of all the Internet links being balanced.

On the other hand, VPN aggregation is a different story. In this case, balancing of traffic takes place in Layer 2, thus a bandwidth increase is also available for a single TCP/IP connection.
Configuring multiple Internet access gateways

Internet access gateways may include: .....

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

While Zeroshell seems to do the job. It's features are not as good as UNTANGLE.
I guess it depends on what you want. I use the filter on UNTANGLE also to block out certain sites. Makes it safer for the kids.

Re: How to setup Network with 2 different internet conxs?
 

thats what packages like Zeroshell's on-line updates 'DansGuardian' are for and its being maintained and improved on a regular basis.
http://www.zeroshell.net/eng/patch-details/

http://dansguardian.org/
"DansGuardian is an award winning Open Source web content filter which currently runs on Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Mac OS X, HP-UX, and Solaris.

It filters the actual content of pages based on many methods including phrase matching, PICS filtering and URL filtering. It does not purely filter based on a banned list of sites like lesser totally commercial filters.

DansGuardian is designed to be completely flexible and allows you to tailor the filtering to your exact needs.

It can be as draconian or as unobstructive as you want. The default settings are geared towards what a primary school might want but DansGuardian puts you in control of what you want to block.
.."

anything thats inside the payware distro's is available to the real free OSS turnkey LiveCDs and in far more flexable and expandable ways usually.

there are OC good reasons to pay for some things in the linux space, CoreAVC linux being a case in point, for the fastest software based AVC decoder FI.

but im not convinced UNTANGLE's bonded payware is in that good value space and werth the cost, as they seem to limit your multi WAN to 4 max which is odd putting a fixed limit on there.

true, sudo"bonding" (sudo because its not true end to end bonded at Both ends of the wire like docsis3 or the potential wireless multi channel bonding options etc if someone takes the time to made them from the available SW options today) is not very popular, or even known about right now by most end users today, and thats a shame, sudo or not, It DOES improve your muititasking data thoughput both UP and down, and potentially by a lot.

but at the heart of it, its not really very hard to find several WAN in your local area, so you dont really Need to even have them all in your home.

virtually everyones local friends (or at least many!) have at least a seperate single ISP WAN connection,and home LAN, and increasingly a/several FreeNAS mass storage devices stashed away somewere in a spare room or LAN connected loft etc.
http://www.learnfreenas.com/blog/

its doesnt take a lot to make that new private (community) Wireless LAN 11g/N connection you have always wanted to make to them all, intigrate it into your home LAN, and put a multi WAN router PC on there, connecting all of those friends seperate WAN's together for everyones benefit.

not least the ISP's, as you find you end up pulling more of your content/data off the collective faster FreeNAS (wireless) LAN than any ISP's WAN after the first initial copy.

the only problem to make multi WAN "bonding" more generally popular is 'ease of use' and initial 'setup and forget', thats were they are failing right now....shame.