British Telecom & CPW shelve rollout of Phorm Webwise [update]
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...cy-and-the-net
• Controversial online technology is dumped
• Group behind system in talks with overseas firms

BT-
"We continue to believe the interest-based advertising category offers major benefits for consumers and publishers alike," said a spokesman for BT. "However, given our public commitment to developing next-generation broadband and television services in the UK we have decided to weigh up the balance of resources devoted to other opportunities.

"Given these commitments, we don't have immediate plans to deploy Webwise today. However, the interest-based advertising market is extremely dynamic and we intend to monitor Phorm's progress …before finalising our plans."

Phorm-
"It is not a great surprise to us, to be honest. It has been a long process and we have never had a definitive date on a launch," said a spokesman. "Phorm is not just dependent on a UK model with one ISP."

This year the company announced a trial of its technology with KT, South Korea's largest ISP, and another overseas deal is expected to be announced shortly.



Awaits Virgin Media announcement.........

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:)

one bit of goodnews for the day then ;)

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" Phorm shares fall as BT opts out "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8135850.stm

They have taken abig hit becuase of BT, there shares fell major as well.

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Also reported in the Reg.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/06/bt_phorm/

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I wounder if Virgin will do the same then. I do wounder.

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:clap: :clap:

Well done BT

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Steady on. They didn't drop it because they wanted to they dropped it because they had to (but I know what you mean!) :D. Well done to all those who wouldn't put up with this webspy nonsense.

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And now Carphone Warehouse has ditched Phorm too :)

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6652692.ece

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Now lets hope Phorm go forth in short jerky movements and leave us alone for ever

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Good news but one that has to be kept to which means public have to stay aware this could return, people ike Kent will continue to attempt to get this into the system or return to old ways and sneak it onto peoples computers.

What it has done is made a lot more people aware of how to secure their computers and learn more about cookies.

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I notice Phorm are still claiming that they are partnered with the 3 top isp's in the uk.

This from there website

What a bunch of lying gits.

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Looks like Talk Talk hows now also step back from it as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8140368.stm

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Yes, TalkTalk are the only one of the 'big three' to 'terminate its contract' with Phorm, meaning that CPW and Phorm have parted company!

BT has shelved rollout of webwise indefinitely. Watch and wait.

Virgin Media on the other hand is still considering deployment.
rather a brave move if you ask me.

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Virgin Media Wednesday said it hasn't ruled out adopting controversial new online advertising technology, but said it would communicate openly with its customers before any decision is taken.

The firm said it hadn't yet decided whether to introduce the Webwise Discover online advertising technology system developed by Alternative Investment Market-listed Phorm Inc (PHRM.LN).

"We recognize some consumers have significant concerns about the potential implications of interest-based advertising for their privacy. Virgin Media is committed to ensuring that any future deployment complies not only with the relevant legal requirements but - as an absolute minimum - the best practice guidelines contained in the Internet Advertising Bureau's recently published code of practice," spokesman Vani Bassi said in a statement.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...08-708121.html

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Phorm aint gone away yet Virgin haven't told us if they are going to use Phorm or drop Phorm yet, until I hear this I am keeping my eyes open for Phorm creeping in.

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:Yikes:

Oh well....I suppose there has to be first time for everything. :rolleyes:

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rofl

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VM are running this way too close to the wire. A simple statement disassociating themselves with Phorm (and its like) is the recommended facesaver. It will get embarrassing if the EC has to remind them about the illegality of the system. VM stand to lose lots of customers if they deploy any kind of profiling whether it is opt-in or opt out.

How can I say this plainly? VM customers do not want it and will not put up with it. Not now. Not ever.

Now please VM, act quickly to put all this nonsense to bed once and for all. Thank you.

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El Reg have an interesing analysis of the apparent failure of Phorm.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/10/phorm/

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Bye bye Phorm .. close the door on your way out ..

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Just an update.

http://www.nma.co.uk/phorm-posts-$15m-loss-in-h1-2009/3004641.article

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:D
Meant to post this this weekend.

EX-BT tech chief Stratis Scleparis, who joined Phorm after he oversaw the secret trials of the tech a couple of years back, has left Phorm. No word why..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09...s_phorm_quits/

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Lets hope they don't go bust.

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Phorm loses loads of cash! Stratis loses his job!

Oh Dear! What a shame. :rolleyes:

:woot:

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:zzz:

Sorry did someone say something.

Oh Phorm. This is both a new and interesting topic :angel:

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some of us like gloating ;) :P

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I think that these last few posts are the most retrained comments on this subject, or any other contentious subject, I have ever read on this forum. :D

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/439bc290-a...nclick_check=1

Phorm leaves UK market

Woo Hoo! (ish) ;)

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I can't be arsed to register. :)

But good news nevertheless. Thanks for the heads up.

Gets a big Woo Hoo! IMHO.

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When i posted it the whole article was avaliable without registration ;)

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I don't doubt it. I came across the same link in another forum and was able to read the article without registering. I really don't know what to make of it. :confused:

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Blame Rupert Murdoch and his money grabbing companies ;)

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Sure. Why not? :D

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As far as I can make out, it seems that the FT allow an article to be read for a certain time (or by a certain number of readers) before requiring registration to read it.


Odd that they don't seem willing to admit who those other ISPs are. I say it's odd, because they were quite open about partnering with VM, BT and CPW. It could just be that they've learned from their mistakes though.

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Yes that could well be an explanation but it begs the question of why.

Either a site requires registration or it doesn't unless, of course, if an article proves to be so popular that charging for access to it becomes possible. But then why relax the registration necessity after only a few minutes?

I wondered if it had anything to do with where you were linking from. But even so, why the limitation?

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Actually what I meant was that maybe a few people are allowed to read the link, then after that, others need to register.

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Actually, just re-read their registration text. Looks like I got it wrong. The link is personalised. The site allows each person to read so many articles (or the same one so many times) per month before requiring registration.

Basic registration is free, but limits you to ten articles a month. Any more than that and you pay..

However, this is off topic.

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Thanks for the explanation.

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And, it looks like the CPS are going to attempt to prosecute BT... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/bt_cps/

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Which is good news. At very least they should have taken some care and acquired appropriate legal opinions on what they were doing, that they didn't is a disgrace.

The executive responsible for it all, the man in charge of BT Retail at the time, is now the CEO of the entire group so no worries about finding the appropriate person :)

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And Phorm are still going.. Just.

So far they have lost $100 million though, although they are getting good (for them) results from their only current trial, with a Brazillian ISP as more people opted in than they expected.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/phorm_results/

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:rolleyes: no one seems cared that the son of phorm is just around the corner "DETICA" and VM have said they WILL be using it and that they will not say where.

To quote them

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Detica rock :romance:

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I can see me and you falling out :)

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Why? :)

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He knows why. I dont trust Detica just like i dont trust Phorm. They are one and the same.

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Which is why I asked Ignitionnet why he thinks Detica rocks. :D

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Might it be he works for them i dont know :LOL:

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Just to note:

TalkTalk and Opal Telecom have now officially demerged away from the Carphone Warehouse Group, that also includes AOL,One Tel,British Gas and Tiscali branded services in the UK

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*Starts checking out Sirius' P2P history*

Blimey, didn't know a midget and a giraffe could do that :eek:

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That's what the step-ladder's for......

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And it looks like the Government is tightening up RIPA, with RIPA soon to require that interception can only occur with customer consent that is "freely given, specific and informed".

Admittedly, the actual phrasing may change as they are just consulting at the moment, but the end of consultation is on 7th December.
Not unexpected, seeing as that is basically what the directive the act is based on says, but good anyway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11..._consultation/

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Hmmm..they are certainly talking the talk but will they walk the walk?

I somehow can't see Stratis and Ian sharing a cell for two years :erm:

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So does this mean than ANY use of DPI will be looked at ???

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To give the consultant's answer - it depends....:D

If they use it for traffic analysis for shaping/management, probably not. If it is used to provide info for targeted marketing, probably yes.

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Well if its for all DPI there are going to be a lot of red faces at all isp's :LOL:

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Nope. Network management will remain legitimate use of DPI and remain exempted from RIPA's interception provisions.

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Nearly as many as there would be on users' faces when the networks either became hopelessly oversubscribed or hard monthly bit caps and pay per GB services were introduced. ;)

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The comments are fantastic on that Register story by the way, there's a couple of absolute gems.

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These are my favourite comments
I wonder if that's from the same person who is trying to invoice a major Telecomms company £10 for every time they accessed his publicly available website?
mmmm, those comments sound a little familiar....

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I think I've read something similar on What Do They Know?

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No it isn't. You don't like to give up do you?

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Considering my post was 6 months ago, it would seem I'm not the only one....:D

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:LOL:

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quality reply lol


do VM use phorm still?

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I might be able to update you on that shortly...

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