Ronnie biggs refused but now granted parole
 

This is the most scandolous decision, that Jack Straw has ever made, The decision has to be political, and the poor guy will almost certainly die in prison.

He cannot fend for himself, and has to have 24 hour care, He commited a crime 30 years ago, someone died which was sad, but to be held behind bars for this crime, which other sickos get ten years, child murderers get a smack on the wrist with trival sentences, and Peados are allowed to walk the street, is unforgiveable. The Labour government is a disgrace.:mad::mad:

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Good!It's his own fault for escaping and thumbing his nose at us for the length of time he spent in Brazil.He only came home because he ran out of money and wanted to get free health care.Why should we give him any preferential treatment over the decent non law breaking old folk who need care and attention in their old age?

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and this year's winner of the understatement of the year is............

<extended drum roll>

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Don't tell me you expected anything else from this out of touch government ???

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So let me get this straight?

People should get harsh punishments unless it's someone you like?

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He is being held both for his original crime and then his escape from justice. Why should he walk free for that?

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Not in my book it isn't.

Or maybe its been made because he has shown no remorse for the crime.

Someone died. End of story. It wasn't a romantic robin hood type caper. It was a vicious robbery and someone died as a result. No different to someone walking into a bank with a sawn-off and a customer gets shot.

I haven't seen the child murderers getting a slap on the wrist. Perhaps you can provide some examples? Sentencing is IMO a bit light for some crimes and even lighter when you consider they will serve about half what they should.

Remember he was convicted and sentenced to 30 years inside. He done 15 months then legged it and only returned when his money ran out. He's now done about 1/3rd of his sentence.

Do you agree that all prisoners should get out at the 1/3 point of their sentence or do you think there should be conditions attached.

Well at least you got that bit right.

Personally I think he should have been given parole because he quite clearly isn't a danger to anyone any longer but can understand why he has been refused parole.

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What l am saying is this, He is no longer able to fend for himself, so how can he be a danger to anyone, If you get life, its 15 years, he has done over 30 years, he will almost certainly die in prison, There was NO positive proof he hit the driver.

It costs nearly 2.000 per week to keep a prisoner in klink, It would not surprise me if 'the human rights' wasn't brought up, as it does breach it, he was given a 30 year prison sentence, he has done that, so l think this could happen, l am all for justice, its like Harry Roberts is still inside for killing three policeman in the 60's.

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Which is why he wasn't done with murder.

As the saying goes. You fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows. He was part of the gang and knew the risks if he got caught.

Ok. Explain how keeping a convicted criminal in prison breaches their human rights and how he has done a 30 year stretch if he has spent less than 1/3 of it in prison. :confused:

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I might have more sympathy if he hadn't ponced off to Brazil laughing for 35 years and sauntered back over when he needed some free healthcare. I thought foreigners coming over here and milking the NHS normally wound you up Arthur?

Anyway, I shouldn't flap. He's not in jail, he's in hospital. He'll probably remain there until he dies. He doesn't care, doesnt show any remorse, so I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He did the crime so he should do the time.

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Ummm ... no, he hasn't. He spent about 30 years living it up in Brazil. Perhaps that's what has you confused?

Oh I don't know why I'm bothering, this is just another Arthur-gets-the-wrong-end-of-the-stick-and-beats-himself-over-the-head-with-it-repeatedly thread. :rolleyes:

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let him ROOOOOOOOOOOOT only came back for the healthcare

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I think its his health, this can be a breach, l know that The Human Rights is a silly law, but if a lawyer is determine, then l think they can appeal - dont get me wrong, if a person commits a crime, then they should pay the price, But in this situation, where he cannot look after himself, he cannot commit any other crime, The why not release him to a care home, with a tag, like anyone else, then release from prison.

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if you do the crime you do the time ,and as yet he has not paid his dept to society .

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I feel it would be prudent of the current gov to allow Biggs a bit of a reprieve.
Yea someone got clobbered, yea he done a bunk and he came back to get some free care in his old age, but surely it would be cheaper to hoof him out of jail and let his family pay for the care rather than at the expense of the tax payer.

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Because the sentence is for what he did, not for what he might be capable of doing - also, he has never shown any remorse.

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For a change with our increasingly hand wringing aren't they hard done by give them a chance softly softly do gooding let them off lightly with barely a slap on the wrist system, someone is actually being made to serve a penalty.

Remember prison sentences are supposed to be a penalty and deterrent to others. It's not just about the likelihood of reoffending and safety of the public. Not that sentencing policy seems to be that concerned these days about any of that.

The only thing that is probably wrong about this decision not to permit parole, is not that parole wasn't granted, but that other cases are treated too leniently and should have a similar tougher stance.

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Why we're at it lets Ian Brandy out aswell:rolleyes:

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Homr, Ian Brady commited an act, that deserved the death penalty, All Roonie did was rob a train.

I just feel sorry for that poor kids mum, (sorry that would be a different thread, and l like starting good threads)

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I've no sympathy for that crook. I just wish that we had left him to rot in Brazil, he only surrendered because he wanted to scrounge off this country.

Don't forget, he did not just rob a train, he was part of a gang who viciously attacked a defenceless driver, he was never fit enough to return to work and his life was shortened as a result. He also had a family.

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Has he served the time that was lay down on him by the judge? If he hasn't there's no need to let him out.

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No No No No NO, his gang robbed a train and someone DIED as a result. He was part of it and equally responsible for what happened.

If he had not escaped he would of served his time and been out to spend his last years with is family. He made his choices and has to live with them

JJ

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so did biggs ,he was party to murder he didn't just rob a train .If we let him out now he would be just as big a drain on the tax payer as if he were in jail if you take NHS costs into concideration

And if living in Brazil for 30odd years is classed as doing time in Arthurs world then i want some

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Prison 1963 (sentenced 30 years)
Escaped 1965
On the run 35 years
Prison 2001 (asking for release due to poor health) 28 years left to run
2009 (still in prison. served 10 years of 30 years)

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If a film hadn't been made glamorising the train robbery, and Biggs didn't have the likes of "good ol cockneys" like Barbara Windsor in his corner and it was seen as what it was, an armed robbery with murder I wonder if RB would have as many supporters?
Somehow I doubt it.

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Also have to add in the fact that he fleed abroad...

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This ^^^^


He's been refused parole? Tough.

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Pity a few more arent refused parole, a few dead people would be alive if they had.

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There was and has been no direct link to the death of the driver and the assault that ensued during the robbery, Jack Mills died in 1970 at the age of 65 of leukemia.

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Guess that's alright then, every should be freed after serving 1/3 of their sentence. :no:

JJ

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He never went back to work, he never completely recovered from his injuries but it's ok because Mr Biggs was jollying it up in South America. When he comes up everyone thinks he should be let go because he is old?

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Well for a start he wont be walking anywhere.

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Is there any evidence that the driver died as a result of the gangs actions, my kids great grand mother was 80 odd and in fine health for her age, some smack head robbed her house when she was out and 2 weeks later she died of a massive heart attack, that ******* wasn't charged with contributing to her death.

Lets also remember why their sentences were so long as well, state vengence isn't justice.

I can't, we have dangerous crims being released everyday, at least we could have one locked up a bit longer in Bigg's cell if we let him out

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He didn't, let's not big him up, he was a useless crook, he blew the job the gang had given him, they didn't even bother talking to him after that and he drove one of the trucks on the night IIRC

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Havn't read all the posts as this is simple really. This is a man who commited a crime escaped from prison stuck two fingers upto this country till he ran out of money to pay for his health care and then came back. He should serve his full sentence or die while serving end of story and just because he is now a frail old man does not and should not mean he gets any special consideration because his was a life led without any consideration for anyone but himself reap what you sow.

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Since he enjoyed his time so much in Brazil, maybe they could release him and deport him back there?

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If keeping him in prison means people who are fit enough and likely to commit crimes are let out early then he should be let out.

As prison does not effectively reform most of the inmates surely it is better to keep those who are an ongoing threat inside even if this means people such as Ronnie Biggs are let out early. After all the sentence he is now serving is not to reform him but a genuine life sentence, with his only exit from the prison being in a Hearse.

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That's where one of the problems with this country lies. Our prisions are full. Instead of building more so everyone that should go to prison, can - we have groups that say we should stop sending them. A person already in prison shouldn't keep another one out IMO.

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Yep spot on if we don't have enough prison spaces build more prisons and then thats the problem sorted.

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Except it isn't as simple as that. It takes years to build a prison and then you have to staff it, there is already a shortage of prison officers as it is. A far better solution imo would be to scrap most of the raft of new laws this government has brought in and stop jailing people for stupid offences, then we might have some space for the dangerous and career crims to be locked up for longer.

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One has to wonder. The UK already has the highest prison population (as a percentage of the general population) in the European Union.

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We have known for years that we didn't have enough prison places and this government has done nothing about it. This idea that you can set a certain number of prison places and thats it is stupid when you don't control by and large who comes here and what they do is also stupid in the extreme. Just one more thing that this government has failed on but why make any real effort on anything when you can set a target and then manipulate the figures to make that looks like it is working.

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Someone cant be accused of murder or be blamed if A, there is no direct evidence B, he didnt die from injuries from sustained during the robbery.

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After a bit more research it seems that Jack Mills returned to work the very next day, yes he had a bandage on his head there was no blood but he was made aware by the powers that be that it would be in his best interest to take early retirement and that he would be looked after financially. After all he had spent his life as a manual worker and he was made an offer he couldnt refuse as well as to be made a public figure, this is where all the hate and rage against the train robbers has come from.

So does it matter? No not in my opinion. Ronnie Biggs was a member of the gang that robbed a train of 2.3 million pounds what sets him apart from the other 14 members is that he go away and stayed away and came back under his own steam for reasons only know to him and his family, for people to pour out their hatred when they have no real facts and are just using hearsay to condemn this man for something he didn't do.

It is nonsense to assume that he died from injuries sustained, no proff of this has ever been put forward, no one has been tried and again I will state, Jack Mills did not die of injuries sustained at the train robbery, he retired, lived well on his pension until he died.

Also I dont condone the actions of any member of the gang that robbed the train, I'm just putting forward facts.

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Just to be so vindictive, Jack Straw, also refused bail for a guy in prison accused of murder at a football match EVEN though, someone else has CONFESED to the murder.

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Someone who has since retracted the confession...

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Oh and it isn't bail. He was looking for a full pardon, the murder didn't happen at a football match but in the build up to it. Aside from that you are spot on. :rolleyes:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1310271.stm

Which source states he returned to work and retired for the pension?

Anyway, Ronnie Biggs only has this fan club because the heist become cult status and in a way so did he. I can’t help but feel that this sentiment is unique to this guy.

If he had not escaped his jail term then I could understand his request for parole, in fact if he served his term he would have been out a long time ago anyway.

He didn't though. He took his stolen cash and tried to escape Justice, attempts to extradite him failed and he returned for medical treatment after spending the entire lot.

Considering that, it is not surprising he is not allowed out after only serving 1/3rd of his sentence. He spent most of his life using ill-gotten cash to live a rich lifestyle. Now he is back having spent his better years avoiding his Jail term people want him exempt from the rest of it?

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Not as such the horses mouth, but someone who was close to what happened.

Jack Mills returned to work the following day, was made an offer of retirement which he took, he was told not to say anything about the circumstances surrounding what happened, he gave one brief interview and that was that as far as he was concerned. The press were given a story and that same story is still told today 45 years later.

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Eh? Driving express trains on a main line is not the job of a manual worker, it's a highly skilled job that requires alert, fit men. Always has.

Biggs? Jail. Let him out in five years if he's still alive. Straw is still a disgrace, though - remember Pinochet? Letting proper fascists out and jailing grotty little working class crims - New Labour cowardly authoritarianism all over, that is.

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Would I be correct in assuming that if the jails were a bit bigger you'd be able to fit more bankers in?

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Mad Frankie states it....

http://www.madfrankiefraser.co.uk/fr....htm~mainFrame

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Oh like I'm going to take that person's word on it....:rolleyes:

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I can't be sure those reports are not simply attempts (not from you personally) for fans of Ronnie Biggs to discredit the victim in order to try and lessen the seriousness of Mr Bigg's crimes.

Let's say it is true that Jack Mills left to take advantage of the pension, that still does not excuse Ronne Biggs escaping justice and living his better years with other peoples money. Something people who follow the law do not get and people who commit similar or even more minor crimes do not get.

He is still up on the deal, he would have had to spend the main years of his life in Jail but instead spent them in South America. Now he is back to face the little punishment that can be given people want to let him off that?

In my view the subsequent disrespect to the Justice System, and fleeing of justice is a serious crime for which he will never pay the full price.

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Jack Straw is a despicable person and one whose judgement is fuzzy at best but even a blind squirrel can find the odd acorn by chance and thats the case here. Seriously this is a man that exploited every law he could to escape extradition and being quite open about his contempt for this country which only disappeared after he got seriously ill and had no more money so he is where he belongs and should stay there. Most people in this country will never have the standard of living this man had despite being honest, decent and hard working people all their lives and for anyone to be calling for this man to be given a break when he never gave one to anyone in his life makes me laugh.

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Whilst I have no love for R.Biggs.

He was a violent criminal, but not a murderer, who then escaped and put two fingers up the UK, and only returned to take advantage of the NHS.

However, he has served 10years since returning and I see very little point or common sense in wasting a cell to house his dying body.

Send him off to die somewhere and fill the cell with a higher priority criminal.

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There is a reason we have prison sentences other than to keep dangerous people out of society. That is to act as a deterrent and message to any other would be criminals.

What message do you think letting somebody like Biggs out of jail early sends? That its alright to commit a violent robbery? Its OK to escape and live like a millionaire? After all if you do decide to come back when you've blown all the money you wont get made to do a full sentence and will get free healthcare for your failing health to boot.

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I think the most important thing to remember is if he hadn't have run, he'd be out now, parole or not.

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We still have enough room for the 'real nutters' (just) there are a lot of people in prision for far lesser crimes who could be released. Let him serve his time, then let him out.

If not we are letting him out for one of three reasons .

1. Old age
2. Illness
3. Served 1/3 third of his sentence.

If one of the above reasons is true then should we apply it to all prisoners. If so then

a) as soon as I get old I'm robbing banks to get money for my family or legging it abroad.

b) if I ever have the misfortune to be diagnosed as termianlly ill then it's of to the bank again.

JJ

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Biggs might not be a menace to society anymore but at the time he was involved in crime he was and escaped punishment for his crime. Seriously are some of you saying that as long as you can evade justice for long enough you should get let off with reduced sentence because thats how it is coming across.

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I am now going to put another point across on this subject, and some of you won't like it.

As l said in an earlier thread, concerning lawyers, RB son's lawyer has stated that Jack Straw had broken the law by exceeding his powers, of overruling the parole board.
I know for a fact, that RB comitted a crime, l also realise that the guy escaped and went to Brazil, and returned to the UK, to 'use' the NHS, BUT everyone must remember, here is a guy, that is nearly dead, he has to be cared for as he cannot look after himself, he is a burden on the tax payer, wouldn't it be the humane thing, release him into a care home, where he will die in surroundings that is not a prison wing. There are more crimes commited today, then there was in those days, when the crime was comitted, and the *******s should fill his cell.

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thats very sentimental wishy washy liberal thinking .
if you do the crime you must do the time.

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Don't worry, l will have the last luagh, The Biggs family ARE taking legal action, and that is all l will say on the subject.

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Hmmm, he has a nice line in lawyers.

Anyway the law says the final say for cases of that age rests with Jack Straw. He decided not to. End of story.

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Your wrong, his lawyer has said that a power that JS has used, is no longer legal, but anyway, l give up.

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The home secretary(or what ever the equivalent is now) no longer has the legal right for current cases, but still has the right to decide for convictions the made before the law changed.

JJ

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Tell me Arthur would you extend this to every criminal OAP currently banged up and in failing health or just to this particular bit of ****?

What is so special about this particular turd that you think he deserves preferential treatment.

And if you think he's some sort of Robin Hood I reckon you are far wide of the mark because he didn't steal from the rich to give to the poor..and even if he did he would still deserve the prison sentence he is currently serving.

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Lawyers are completely impartial, obviously, and would never say anything untrue........;)

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OOOOH, Thats a bit strong Maggy, but dead right. OAP or not, the law should take its course. This guy`s no Robin Hood, he`s a thug, a thief, someone who broke the law then took the mickey out of the justice system by running to a country where he wouldn't be deported from. He lived the good life instead of doing his bird. Ill health or not, if he lives long enough to serve his sentence, fine, if he dies in prison, tuff.

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Yes and flicking threw The Sun at work earlier that well known right winger and general prat Jon Gaunt even said he should be let out, it's quite an achievment to be to the right of him...

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No what some of us appear to be saying is that he is all but dead, even one of the Krays was released on compassionate grounds at the end. Jack Straw is trying to appear to be tough on crime, well keeping a half dead old man locked up doesn't prove that, keeping the **** that tortured those French kids to death after getting early release would have proved it better imo

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couldnt agree more.:tu:

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Does this means every seriuosly ill person in jail should be let out? He was given the going rate for the crime he committed when he was sentenced.

Are you saying beacuse he absconded for all of those years we should apply current standards?

If the situation was reversed and currently every prisoner had to serve there full sentace would it be OK for him to server the other 20 years. Or would that be 'unfair' too.

JJ

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As far as i am concerned all criminals should serve the full sentence they are given and no one should be released earlier then their sentence. But the way people are calling for this particular person to be released amazes me and i don't get it because this is not some nice person wrongly persecuted he is ****.

He was a career criminal who got caught he escaped only giving himself up when the money ran out and then comes back not because of any good reason no attack of remorse or anything just more self interst in getting the best care he could. So he stays right where he is till either he serves his full sentence or he dies.

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I will say this one more time, What is the point of keeping a guy in prison, when he cannot fend for himself, he needs care, in a home, he is not a threat to society, like some people that go up before a parole board. If he was released, then that would save the tax payer thousands of pounds, the son has offered to care for him.

I don't think any OAP, should be banged up, although if they were in prison, they would be well looked after, than being on the outside, and inside no one would give them a hiding, as they have respect in prison.

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Does this means OAPs are free to commit any crime the feel like with out fear of punishment?

Or all OAPs angels who would never ever commit a crime.

JJ

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It could be a way of solving prison overcrowding - anyone due for a custodial sentence would just need to leg it & stay away until they were of pensionable age - automatic free pardon, job done ;)

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If it ever came about, then no need for a pension just a short trip down to your local bank make a withdrawl, flash the bus pass to the police and jobs a good'n

:D

JJ

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Or it could encourage the rise of a Hell' Grannies movement. As I always wanted to grow old disgracefully, it would be useful to live in Arthur's world where you only had to serve time if you were young and fit. :D

As far as Biggs is concerned I don't see why he should be released. Had he stayed in prison rather than escaping his time in goal would have come to an end years ago. He is in prison now because of his own actions and I have no sympathy for him.

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Jack Mills, who was 58 at the time of robbery, never fully recovered from his injuries, and never returned to work. In 1970 he died of leukemia [1] which an inquest confirmed, perhaps unsurprisingly, was unrelated to his injuries. As an innocent victim in such an infamous crime, he is very often mentioned when the subject is raised in the press.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Mills_(train_driver)

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As far as l am aware, tomorrow Monday RB's son is going to the High Court to get permission to launch a private prosecution against Jack Straw, for false imprisonment, due to his failing health, and other things etc.

I believe, l said this in an earlier comment.

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He's been moved

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Sounds nice. Better than a lot of nursing homes that decent upstanding members of society have to put up with, and for RB, a lot cheaper too.

You have to wonder what the point of it all is.

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People who think the RB should be released because he is ill and no longer a danger, I'd like to ask you one thing..

If someone else in the same situation (performed a massive robbery and was implicated in the death of an innocent man but is now terminally ill and "no longer a danger to society") but was 50 years younger and didn't have the publicity team RB seems to have, would you be calling for him to be released, or would you be calling for him to die in jail?

I find it interesting that some of the people that are here calling for his release have been known to call for younger people committing the same crimes (remember, it was a violent robbery with a death involved) to rot in jail.

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Not the most accurate reporting by The Times:

I thought he died of leukemia?

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I agree with you Stuart, he committed the crime - he should pay the price, that being his freedom forever.

Good luck with the Jack Straw prosecution but I reckon he hasn't got a cats chance in hell when there is a proven innocent man (Michael Shields) whom Jack Straw won't pardon but thats another story in itself.

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and the younger guy couldn't walk, talk or eat, could die any day and had already served over 10 years of a punitive sentence for playing a minor role in the crime, err I'd have to say let him out as well.

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So we can find £1.5 million to have a special old lags hospital but we can't build any more prisons...and we can't provide the same sort of luxury units on the NHS for the rest of our ageing upright honest citizens?

:(

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When this crime was comitted, it was safe for people to walk the streets, OAPs could lave there doors open, and villians had a respect for them, and the only people they ever maimed or murdered were there own kind, yes they comitted robberies, and some people got hurt.

In this day and age, you cannot walk down the streets, without being mugged, or raped, OAP walk in fear of there lifes, no one will ever get involved with helping someone out, we have RB still in prison, no harm to anyone, very ill and been moved to an OAPs unit in prison, to be supervised with other OAPs inside, what is wrong with people, when they say he should stay behind bars, we hear each day, people getting away with murder, phedos, getting away, child and police killers getting lenient sentences, to me it does not make sense, that this is allowed to happen, give the guy a break, or do people think, if he is released he will get in his wheelchair and rob the local newsagent - l doubt it.

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Do you ever read your posts? Try it sometime.

I'm sorry but you're posting nonsense.

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Really?All of them are getting away with crimes? And yet we have prisons full to bursting with lags that are being punished all over the shop...and I don't want any of them to get less than the permitted sentence just because they are ill.

Sorry I have no love for the idea that the Krays & Co were just jolly old Robin Hoods who were having a larf really and weren't a danger to the public at all.It's a total fantasy because they were involved in a lot of violent crime and any bystanders were just as likely to be injured...like the nice Mr Mills who got bashed on the head.:rolleyes:

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What complete steaming pile of ****, they only hurt their own kind. The Krays etc regulary assaulted people and did in fact murdered someone during course of their protection rackets.

I don't hear about murders 'getting away' with it every day, must be those papers your reading running stories only remotely rated to any facts.

RB, was part of a gang that commited a violent armed robbery, I just think he should serve his sentance.

Personally I don't think he should be getting free healthcare. He's paid
bugger all national insurance. He should be treated as other foreign nationals who don't qualiify for free treatmeeent and be charged. ( And yes I know for a FACT that they do get charged)

JJ

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Well, no, it wasn't. You are looking at the past through rose tinted glassess.

Remember the krays? Remember Mad Frankie Fraser? Before you start saying they only hurt their own, remember that their money came from somewhere and it probably wasn't other criminals.

You are exaggerating slightly. I personally have never been mugged or raped despite going out on the streets most days. The nearest I have come is having my pocket picked, and even that was during the 80s. Also, people do not get away with Murder everyday. Nor do Paedos (that particular problem has not changed in several decades). Child and police killers do not get let off either. Remember, Juries decide who is guilty or not. Juries made up of people like you and me. Why would they think any differently to us?

On the other hand, the Papers have to make money and there is a strong perception within the media that good news does not sell as well as bad news. Think about that. When was the last time that you read in the papers that the police had caught a mugger? You hear when muggers strike.

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All l am trying to say, is what can they guy do, he is very ill and cannot speak and depends on care, do you seriously want him to die in prison.

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Just think, l am soon going on hols, so thats a week, without my rants.

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Ian Brady's also on his last legs iirc from his years of hunger strike - would you let him out?

Have a nice break ;)

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I think a lot of the shop owners in Bethnal Green, Hackney and Stepney who had to pay protection monies to Krays would agree.

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I do love the way some people on here seem to think this is some poor little neighbourhood kid done good being persecuted by the nasty establishment through no fault of his own. Oh wait this was a career criminal a piece of **** that made a good living off of ordinary normal people before he got involved in the train robbery he and they were sloppy got caught tried and sentenced.

He then escaped and spent the next few decades making a mockery of the entire country being more then happy anytime he was given the chance to rubbish it. He only came back because he had no more money to keep him going and needed medical care medical care i might add he never contributed to paying for through NI contributions and some of you think this is someone that should be released and be allowed to live out his last days with dignity.

Don't make me laugh what sort of message do you thnk your sending if he gets released because of some sop sentimentality and because he has people who can put him in the best light. Where does it stop what pensioner is it ok to go after and what ones do we pat on the back and say "your old you can do what you want".

His lack of risk to society has nothing to do with it because he was sentenced when he was a risk and never served that sentence. For those of you so fond of the past those old criminals had a rather good saying that applies here "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime" so RB and family shut up and go away.

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If that is what happens during him finishing his sentence, then yes ...

- you appear to have missed the point made all along, that if he hadn't absconded, his sentence would now be long over ...

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Arthur has also missed the other main points..that this lowlife has not once expressed any regret for his crimes or his absconding but above all for the injuries inflicted on Mr Mills.What he has done is jeer at the senior policeman who tried hard to recapture him,thumbed his nose at a country where he has made no positive contributions of tax or NI and hidden behind his son and mistress in Brazil.

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well said :tu:

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Good point.

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If you could build a prison for £1.5 million we'd have hundreds of them

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Actually he did express regret in his autobiography and he also ran a carpentry business prior to the robbery, so may well of paid tax and NI

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Mr Straw’s decision was also criticised by a probation leader, the former Prisons Minister Ann Widdecombe, and prison reformers. Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the probation officers’ union, said: “It’s difficult to see how he poses a threat to anyone apart from politicians.”

Ms Widdecombe said: “The prisons are bursting at the seams. The courts are being urged to let burglars go free, but one fairly doddery and very frail old man is being kept in prison. If you have got a prison place, for goodness sake use it to lock up someone who is genuinely a risk to the public.”

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Mr Straw said that he was worried about Biggs’s potential to reoffend and his failure to take any courses while in prison to rehabilitate himself. “Whilst the medical evidence indicates that your ability to commit further acts of violence has reduced to a very low level, I am concerned that you might incite and be involved in such acts of violence, through association with criminal peers,” he wrote.

Take any courses? The man cant write or talk, how is he supposed to take courses and as for being involved with through association, well the same applies he cant be a conspirator if he can't communicate with them.

Mr Straw said that he was also worried by his “lack of repentance”

See autobiography reference above

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Yes I can see that producing an autobiography as proof of repentance might not go over well with Mr Straw or any parole board especially one that details how you got one over on the establishment..:rolleyes:

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You seem to be making quite a few false statements in this thread, the parole board said he should be released, it was Straw flexing his political muscles that went against them, shame of it is he picked the wrong bloke, every day violent offenders are let out to terrorise the public and Jackie boy wants to prove how tough he is on crime by leting a minor league crook die in jail, it's to late anyway, we all know this country operates a system of crime without punishment and soft on crime, tough on the victims of crime

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The parole board was in favour on humanitarian grounds...;)

and the other false statements?

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That he hadn't offered any contrition, that the money spent on a hospital wing is in some way linked to not building anymore prisons, he never paid any tax...