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ok had 50 meg for a 2 weeks as soon as i download it maxes my connection then slowly drops down to a discusting 3meg after phoneing vm they said its all fine they said it was where i was downloading from y it was slow they then told me giganews must have a fault BS it can max 50mb easy so i try a torrent from a very good site with 300 seeds guess what downloads at 300kb very nice for a 50meg connection .im then told im not in a test area as there the only 50mb to be STM so how or why am i being blocked my styats r below can some1 take a look or post there stats to compare this is [Mod Edit (Rob M)] me off now and to prove it i will do a screen video as soon as i hit 3gig DOWNLOAD my SPEED DROPS
Cable Modem : DOCSIS 1.0/1.1/2.0/3.0 Compliant Serial Number : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Boot Code Version : 6.1.1c Software Version : 3.11.1010 Hardware Version : 1.39 CA Key : Installed Acquired Downstream Channel 298.751221 MHz Primary Downstream Locked Ranged Upstream Channel 45.807999 MHz Success Provisioning State OK Operational Ethernet Link Status Up 100 Mbps/Full duplex Frequency 298750000 306750000 314750000 N/A Lock Status (QAM Lock/FEC Sync/MPEG Lock) Y/Y/Y Y/Y/Y Y/Y/Y N/N/N Channel Id 30 31 32 N/A Modulation 256QAM 256QAM 256QAM N/A Symbol Rate (Msym/sec) 6.952 6.952 6.952 N/A Interleave Depth I=12 J=17 I=12 J=17 I=12 J=17 N/A Power Level (dBmV) 6.92 6.13 6.27 N/A RxMER (dB) 37.09 38.26 37.94 N/A Correctable Codewords 1 1 0 N/A Uncorrectable Codewords 291 926 273 N/A Channel Type 1.0 N/A N/A N/A Channel ID 2 N/A N/A N/A Frequency (Hz) 45808000 N/A N/A N/A Ranging Status Success N/A N/A N/A Modulation 16QAM N/A N/A N/A Symbol Rate (KSym/sec) 2560 N/A N/A N/A Mini-Slot Size 2 N/A N/A N/A Power Level (dBmV) 45.75 N/A N/A N/A T1 Timeouts 0 T2 Timeouts 0 0 0 0 T3 Timeouts 0 0 0 0 T4 Timeouts 0 0 0 0 Req Init Maint Per Maint Short Data Long Data (1) (3) (4) (5) (6) Modulation Type QPSK QPSK QPSK 16QAM 16QAM Differential Encoding OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF Preamble Length 36 100 100 128 128 Preamble Value Offset 244 6 6 504 504 FEC Error Correction (T) 0 5 5 4 9 FEC Codeword Information Bytes (k) 16 34 34 76 232 Maximum Burst Size 0 0 0 7 0 Guard Time Size 22 48 48 22 22 Last Codeword Length FIX FIX FIX SHORT SHORT Scrambler on/off ON ON ON ON ON General Configuration Network Access : Allowed Maximum Number of CPEs : 1 Baseline Privacy : Enabled DOCSIS Mode : DOCSIS 3.0 Config File : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Primary Downstream Service Flow SFID : 27845 Max Traffic Rate : 53000000 bps Max Traffic Burst : 3044 bytes Min Traffic Rate : 0 bps Primary Upstream Service Flow SFID : 27844 Max Traffic Rate : 1750000 bps Max Traffic Burst : 1600 bytes Min Traffic Rate : 0 bps Max Concatenated Burst : 1522 bytes Scheduling Type : Best Effort |
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I downloaded a blue ray linux disk this morning ;) and this is my speed at the moment https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/03/4.png Having said that i never ever use torrents they are just to big of a security risk. Newsgroups all the way for me. |
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The issues you are having are probably down to a fault on the system so try calling tomorrow after 0800 to try and get a UK call centre who will be able to help you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now corrected sorry for any confusion. |
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I do love those BluRay Linux Disc's ;)
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So there's absolutely no STM on 50mb at all?
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I have no ideas what will happen in the future regards STM on 50Mb as everything else that has been posted by people is pure supposition and scaremongering. |
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As you say they'll inform the customers in the areas affected. they didn't used to tell people before about trials. so that's a good move by them. |
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thats what vm 50mb support told me if you are in a area that is doing 50mb trials you WILL be STM . so if my stats look ok what what u advise to find out why after i download 3gig my connection drops ????
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I deleted my last post on this thread because I wasn't sure what the O/P was saying. Any chance that you can repost the speeds you were actually getting.
I think I got the gist of what you were saying, but I have to be honest your post was a little difficult to understand. |
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If STM was introduced, would that break the terms of contract? If so, would VM refund the installation fee along with the activation fee?
Could be very costly if they did have too. |
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For more information regards STM click the link below. http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...t/traffic.html |
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is that just out of courtesy, or is it because they might have been told that they have to inform people? |
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Traffic Management Trial Live in these areas? - Preston - Wigan - Blackpool - Aldershot - Acton This is only on the present packages and it is not a secret.:D |
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That's not for the 50MB there isn't no STM on the 50MB. The thread is about 50MB which is the subject of this thread :)
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so when they do start STM in the contract period time that many people are on then it could be free cancellations for them if they want. |
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http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ble/terms.html |
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is that just out of courtesy, or is it because they might have been told that they have to inform people? |
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I know it's not STMd at the moment, but when and if you knew it was coming because of a memo or something. do you think Virgin would allow you to tell the customer that it will be soon? ---------- Post added at 21:11 ---------- Previous post was at 21:09 ---------- Quote:
goes to show that OFCOM can do something useful now and again :) |
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I would only ever post here information that is freely available to anyone who cared to look for it. |
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Ok thanks Moldova :) |
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Only a matter of time.
You will find that hidden inside a web page/an extremely small print part of the contract agreement/ a seemingly part of an obscure document that 50M uptakers have agreed to--- IS A SECTION THAT IN FACT MEANS you will only be able to use that speed for --- ON a 20M line about 23 mins B4 you speed drops to a 5th for 5 hours On a 50M line your worst guess is probably way above what will happen. Virgin WILL NOT give you full speed 24/7 what you pay for on ANY BBAND PACKAGE WHAT ON EARTH MAKES ANY OF YOU THINK STM WILL NOT HAPPEN ON 50M Seriously im interested to hear your comments. |
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That does not mean that it will not be STMed sometime in the future but still then no one knows. |
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More fool them then. you only have to look at virgins past record and their current STM managemant to see this coming sir. |
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Is 50Mbit STM'd - No.
Will 50Mbit be STM'd or similarly managed in the future - Yes. Why is OP's speed slow - It's a fault. /thread, I thank you, I'm here all week, try the rib-eye. |
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---------- Post added at 14:06 ---------- Previous post was at 14:05 ---------- scu11y69, have you reported this? Those speeds are way too low for a 50 meg connection. |
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Enough about you lets get back on topic :) |
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Today after speaking to two techies and two people on retentions I finally reached a point of getting confirmation that my encyclopaedic list of complaints would be addressed and possibly resolved within the 1 month time frame I have given them before using the exit door. If the expectation is that you will be informed of trials then my practical experience is that even when you find out that you are on one (by accident) it is denied and by strange coincidence the reps web access is down when you give the URL that proves the point. |
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http://www.speedtest.net/result/440876548.png theres ya link after 6 phone calls to 50mb support today and 2 ov them being rude and not helping they ended up telling me its my router thats faulty so tranfered to netgear who said its not down to them back on to virgin who said they cant even transfer calls to netgear so i was lying they would now contact netgear.they phoned back and said 1 will be here in 3days. thing is im connected direct to modem NOW!!!! and you see the results am i in my rights to canceal my contract as im sure there is a 28day cooling off period and get my conection fee and install refunded?????? |
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Click the link, remove any form of IP Address http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/mi...?do=connection x:Edit, I'd like to see some more stats from the modem to if you don't mind. Anything related to bonding, the downstream(s). Thanks |
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looks 1mb better today and here what that link says
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/03/2.png cpc3-seve18-2-0-custXXX.XX-X.cable.virginmedia.com hope this mite help |
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heres somthink i found in another thred am i right in thinking VM slow you down if u use giganews????
Try the Giganews speedtest. http://www.giganews.com/performance.html Talking of Giganews I wish Virgin would sort their act out with regards to Giganews, my route to it goes on the following path: VM Mortlake -> VM Croydon -> VM Poplar -> VM Amsterdam -> Giga Nice and smooth and costs VM nothing as it's done over peering. The path back is: Giga -> Cable and Wireless Amsterdam -> C+W London -> C+W Leeds -> VM Leeds -> VM Poplar -> VM Croydon -> VM Mortlake So either someone's messed up something or VM are intentionally using the Cable and Wireless link to ease loading on their own Amsterdam link, which is costing them money as they'll be paying C+W for the transit. could this explain why i can only download at 4.5meg instead ov 50mb from giganews???? |
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tried news-europe.giganews.com?
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Yeah it's something personal against the UK, they can do 120Mbit/s+ to everywhere else but clearly have something against VM. The VM 50M product has no faults or speed issues due to being thrown together and dumped onto the network, the rest of the Internet is at fault. |
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heres a update of my speed seems to have picked up a bit but also if you look i borrowed my friend modem for his 20meg and it maxes so it might be a modem issue if there a VM representative could you please look into this for me as i cant be asked sitting on the phone for like 40mins and 5 phone calls later then doing the same tests switch off modem restart ipconfig dont u think iv restarted it b4 i even phone u just to check my self im paying for 50mb i want 50mb not 20mb
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/04/75.png thats mine and below is the 20meg modem http://g.imagehost.org/view/0501/vmspeed_20meg_modem |
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im on 50meg and was the 1st in the area and ever since ive had it if i download alot i get capped to 10meg they tried to say it was the modem power lvls so i had 2 engineers out who both told me the power lvls were fine and that they do can u even though they arnt ment too, but on a side note if u pause your downloads for around 20mins the speed goes back up. :( i dont understand it and virgin meadia all have no clue. other than that im very happy with my connection.
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todays speed got a tec coming monday AGAIN DOES ANY 1 SE ANYTHINK WRONG HERE AS ITS JUST THE DOWNLOAD THATS EFFECTED DS-1 DS-2 DS-3 DS-4 Frequency 298750000 306750000 314750000 N/A Lock Status (QAM Lock/FEC Sync/MPEG Lock) Y/Y/Y Y/Y/Y Y/Y/Y N/N/N Channel Id 30 31 32 N/A Modulation 256QAM 256QAM 256QAM N/A Symbol Rate (Msym/sec) 6.952 6.952 6.952 N/A Interleave Depth I=12 J=17 I=12 J=17 I=12 J=17 N/A Power Level (dBmV) 5.65 4.85 5.01 N/A RxMER (dB) 37.09 38.26 37.94 N/A Correctable Codewords 3 1 0 N/A Uncorrectable Codewords 281 970 260 N/A |
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ok after a senior engineer come out yestaday and done a few tests logged into some kind ov virgin test site 50mb while on the phone to another enginer pressing buttons i guess to make it look good lol all seemed good hitting 49MB.HOWEVER i do understand its up to 50MB depending on where u download from. when i showed him that newsgroups giganews in this issue maxes it out then slowly drops to a 3mb he couldnt explain ok i said il do a torrent from a very highly seedy souce which ive used for years ok 4.5MB instant not even connected to all seeds suddenly speed drops to a discusting 400kb lol
to which he states it MUST BE GIGANEWS AND MY TORRENT SITE SEVERS CANT SUPPLY THE BANDWIDTH (BS) and said its a routing problem where im downloading from? can some 1 tell me how to do a tracroute from where i download from to see where the problem lies and who its down to? only been a probley sinse i upgraded ive now come to think VM throttling all my torrents and newgroup as this is all i have problems with they also took all mac address from my machines maybe they can capp them idk? theres more guess what it reads today as im doing a speed test while the other guy aint on the phone pressing buttons https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/04/65.png HELP HELP HELP |
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To test if there is a problem at your end download some of this file from the VM server.
ftp://debian.virginmedia.com/mirrors...md64-DVD-1.iso I average 5.5MB/s for the whole file using one connection with wget (Linux). Once I go out into the World at large speeds are hit and miss. |
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Seems Most peculiar how the Speed drops at or after 3 Gb It does exactly the same here!! so I phoned VM and they did various tests and said the problem was with Newsdeom!!. so they mad me do another test whilst also only getting 4.5 mb from Newsdemon ans hahaha was only then getting 8 MB so a total of 14.5Mb so they then admitted that there was a problem and they would look into it!!!! LMAO Any way What I do now is Reboot PC and Modem a couple of times and then its all ok for the next 3 Gb.
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So the fun begins I run an N rated laptop and until last week I was able to download from astraweb and giganews at over 6 mbps now iam lucky to get 4 no matter what time I Try It appears to me that VM are clearly throttling usenet now and it looks like this is only th begining,
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ok back on the phone to VM who tell me to do tests which i do and still get very poor speed from gamefiles.virginmedia.com or whatever it is next he tells me heres gana update my modem tcp or somthink like that .so next i tell him im gana download 1 ov my files from a trusted souce linux dvd which instantly maxes it out 48MB drops to 3.5MB cant explain. so next he tells me download from a vm site think it was fuller.zen.com/test and i got a MASSIVE 41KB yep 41kb so i say as u can see there is clearly a problem nope
I HAVE YOUR MODEM SATISTICS IN FRONT OF ME ITS RUNNING FINE!!!! ok please email me the states and il get a tec friend to go thru it mite found the problem vm no u cant have them me y u have them in front ov u vm because u cant me but as u can see ive tryed ur test site and got 41kb theres clearly a problem vm it works dont it thats all i can do me can u exchange modem then as thats when it all went wrong when i got s new modem vm NO STATICS SHOW ITS OK ME CAN I HAVE THEM THEN TO GET A 2ND OPINION vm no hangs up whats so good about my modem stats why cant i have them or wwould this expose there capping my speed??? |
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reinstalled my machine its still a no go on giganews VM ARE DIFFENANT BLOCKING ME
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http://www.giganews.com/test_connect.html
go there and test the EU server...post what you get back here |
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Hi,
I have the exact same problem - I am on 50mb and have been since a few days after launch. Approx. 10 days ago whenever I downloaded a lot from usenet, I am signed up to giganews and astraweb, over 3-5 gb my speed gets greatly reduced. Usually get between 0.8-1.5mb/s with every other website barely working. I have tried this with and without a router connected and also called them up and everytime they say there is no problem! This is getting very frustrating. They are definitely doing something! I feel your pain. |
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test size 3131kb loaded 100% time elaped 1.2s connection speed 20087kbps does this mean it works as VM keep telling me giganews sever cant handle 50MB |
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It looks like VM have started STM already. Even I didn't think they would do it that early.
Your best bet is to downgrade to 20 or 10 meg and save yourself some money. If they try to hold you to an 18 month contract just point out that the service is either broken or they change the original terms of the contract (which was for unlimited 50 meg) and you do not agree to the new terms, so the contract is now void. If they still won't let you, just cancel the direct debit and wait for them to phone you. No point wasting hours with low level drones. Strangely when there is a billing problem you get to speak to someone with a clue right away. |
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perhap we ought to phone up virgin and tell them that 50Mbps isn't on STM but what are the limit of download per day (6gb or 12gb before they hit us hard and slow us down ?)
They wouldn't tell us because they expect us all to sign up 50Mb and pay extra money and expect to get around 50Mbps but if it was below 20Mbps or less with 28 days we have every right to cancel it because I sign up 50Mbps and they say to me "Before you agreement into 12 months contract, your 50Meg could be down no less than 45Mbps during busy time but there is no STM on it for a while unless we change or add it, is that ok with you?". |
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ive even told them i want to canceal this crap as from the 1st week its been like this i said im in a 28 day cooling off period so i want to canceal and i want my install fee refunded as theres clearly a problem just check my 45 calls over the month to provve it dont work from day 1 or YOUR CAPPING IT.to which they said im 1 day over the 28days so i i cant.ive asked for a new modem as this is all i can norrow it down to.and they said there stats look ok so i cant.when i asked for the stats they said no so its a catch 22
when the enigneers was here it hit 49MB next morning 4MB very strange that!!! GOT A FUNNY FEELING MY MODEM IS ABOUT TO BLOW UP SO I NEED A EXCHANGE |
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After a lot off problems with my 50, so called meg, Ive got £20.00 off this months bill.And if problems continue every month i will phone and ask for money to be taken off.
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Pretty common turn of phrase - if you've never heard it I'd assume English isn't your first language :)
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I have had 50Meg now for just over a month (Install date: 13th March 2009) and I too have been experiencing what appears to be a capped download speeds.Slowest being around 2Mbps.
This morning it appears to manifest itself slightly different, not only has Giganews been affected, but my entire connection... It is 5:43am, and have been downloading from Giganews (with SSL), was achieving 47Mbps (as per usual), and suddenly I noticed it drop violently down to 10Mbps... At this point I had downloaded around 1.4gb of data. So normally when this happens, I pause, wait ten minutes, resume and the speed goes back up... not this time. I tried Speedtest.net, and my previous result (which was 49Mbps) was now stating 10Mbps. I also tried downloading the ISO from ftp://debian.virginmedia.com/mirrors...md64-DVD-1.iso using Free Download Manager and that too doesn't want to transfer faster than 10Mbps on average. I am pretty confident that nothing else is downloading in the background. Windows update is turned off, I don't ever touch Torrents (only Giganews), and from what I can tell by looking at the data lights on the modem and router, no traffic is being transferred when I pause my download. Really kind of sucks. I am connected to the Seven Kings exchange (or so the Supervisor who came to upgrade my connection told me). |
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sound like virgin lies to us all of non-stm on 50meg (but i think it had hidden stm) because i don't know why peoples reported 49Mbps and after 1Gb downloading then the speed drop down to 2Mbps (that's really interesting to know of why it kept doing this)
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