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Slyder 28-03-2009 13:10

Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Afternoon all.

Right, slight problem. This morning I thought it would be a good idea to slipstream my genuine copy of XPSP2 with the recent Service Pack 3. Last time I done a slipstream was with an old XP disc and SP2 using a programme called Auto Streamer 1.0.33 which worked perfectly.

I have just finished installing my new copy of XP and while right clicking my computer > properties shows my rig as running SP3, my comp is still running I.E 6 and Media Player 9

I also use Auto Patcher (i know its old but it serves me well) and it dosnt show the new I.E or Media Player listed for installation (probably cause it thinks SP3 includeds)

i thought sp3 included these :|

any help would mucho appreciated. :)

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:15

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
From the documentation for SP3 (my bold):

Quote:

What Is In Service Pack 3

Windows XP SP3 includes all previously released Windows XP updates, including security updates and hotfixes, and select out-of-band releases. For example, the service pack includes functionality previously released as updates, such as the Microsoft® Management Console (MMC) 3.0 and the Microsoft Core XML Services 6.0 (MSXML6).

Microsoft is not adding significant functionality from newer versions of Windows, such as Windows Vista, to Windows XP through XP SP3. For instance, Windows XP SP3 does not include Windows Internet Explorer 7, although Windows XP SP3 does include updates to both Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Explorer 7, and it will update whichever version is installed on the computer.
Document available here (PDF):

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...20Pack%203.pdf

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:22

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
SP3 isn't a true service pack IIRC. It was just a compilation of updates crammed into one, so you didn't have to download a load of separate updates.

I use a programme called nLite to sliptream my XP. You can use that to add newer versions of Media Player and Internet Explorer into the installation I think.

Slyder 28-03-2009 13:34

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
thanks guys..

its trial and error at the minute. i think im best installing my original disc with sp2, run auto patcher to install updates and the new i.e and media player - then get sp3.

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:35

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
This thread has gotten me thinking actually :)

I'm going to have a go at creating a fully patched unnattended installer for my netbook, all I need to work out is how to get it to run from USB rather than CD (the netbook doesn't have a CD drive).

:)

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:38

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
You can slipsteam SP3 into an SP2 disc, and make it fully unattended using nLite. Using nLite, you can also save it as an ISO image, rather than burning it directly to a disc.

If you put a bootable ISO image onto a USB drive, then booted from USB though a BIOS boot menu...would that work?

Here's a link for nLite anyway: http://www.nliteos.com/

P.s, They have another website, offering an updated programme to modify a Vista installation. http://www.vlite.net/

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:40

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Don't think so, think you'd need some additonal tool to get the USB to boot from the ISO.

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:41

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Would the Engineer Boot Disc, or Hiren's Boot disc contain such a tool?

BenMcr 28-03-2009 13:42

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
I would think as long as you copy all the hidden files and all the directories off the CD/Out of the ISO you should be able to install from a bootable USB

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:47

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/ins...usb-thumb.html

Think this might be the answer.

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:51

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
That does look like the answer.

Wonder if it's possible to make it bootable within Windows. I mean, if I copied my Office installation disc over to the USB stick, and use a similar method as the above, could the USB stick run the setup similar to how a CD/DVD drive does?

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:53

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Your best bet would be to put the Office installation files on a USB stick, install something like Daemon Tools to create a virtual CD drive, and then run the installer that way.

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:54

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
I tried that on my girlfriends netbook, and the Office installation was having none of it. In the end, I had to make an ISO using a different programme, and use a different mounting tool. Maybe the ISO was damaged? I don't know.

Any way, I'd highly recommend using nLite to sliptream and make unattended installations.

zing_deleted 28-03-2009 13:56

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
you can just copy the office files and install using the autorun I have office 2003 on my flash drive full of apps and just install it from there anyway

Can you not just copy the I386 folder to a flash drive thats been formatted as a windows boot disc browse to WINNT32 and install it that way?

http://www.bootdisk.com/plan40/hpflash1.zip this might be all you need (you will need a win98 floppy or the files I think)

CHiLL 28-03-2009 13:57

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34764226)
you can just copy the office files and install using the autorun I have office 2003 on my flash drive full of apps and just install it from there anyway

Tried that, the installation just kept throwing me errors.

It seems I have managed to drag the thread off topic, apologies.

Raistlin 28-03-2009 13:58

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Yeah, apologies to the OP - I think the off-topicness (is that a word) might be my fault :erm:

I'll stop now, maybe create a new thread when I actually do it to post what results I get :)

Cheers for the info for now guys :tu:

zing_deleted 28-03-2009 14:12

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
To the op I do not think any of the service packs actually updated IE or Media player did it? these are not core windows files. I just created my own nlite unattended install iso today for a load of laptops I am getting that are not really hi enough spec to run XP full blown. I slipstreamed sp3 with no problem onto an sp2 image disabled loads of stuff and it worked first time

zing_deleted 28-03-2009 14:56

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
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@Rob M

Ok download and install the HP utility then download attached files (hidden os files so it will appear empty) Plug in usb device and run HP utility . Tick Create a start up disc and point it to the folder from this post. This creates a bootable disc and gave me a C: . Copy I386 folder cd to the directory and run WINNT32.exe I think will be testing in a few in a vm

Edit you run WINNT and this just worked a treat . Didnt work on the VM but did boot my pc to C: then a simple CD c:\I386 and then WINNT and it started the install :)

BenMcr 28-03-2009 15:09

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34764228)
Tried that, the installation just kept throwing me errors.

It seems I have managed to drag the thread off topic, apologies.

If you ever do try and do this - you need to make sure 'Show Hidden and System Files' is selected before you drag and drop the contents of the CD/ISO

Otherwise it doesnt copy everything and it will fail

Same applies for trying to install XP off a USB key

zing_deleted 28-03-2009 15:22

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34764275)
If you ever do try and do this - you need to make sure 'Show Hidden and System Files' is selected before you drag and drop the contents of the CD/ISO

Otherwise it doesnt copy everything and it will fail

Same applies for trying to install XP off a USB key


Both vista and xp copies over hidden files as long as they are in a visable directory. Only hidden files on the root are missed copying the I386 file copies everything including any hidden files

As I said I just copied the contents of the Office 2003 cd to flash drive and it installs no problem. There are no hidden files on the root of my Office cd

Slyder 29-03-2009 16:29

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
You got me into all this nLite talk now.

Problem, I have managed to slipstream WMP11 using nLite, but it fails when slipstreaming IE8. :( Im searching now, but just wondered if anyone else had problems doing IE8.

BenMcr 29-03-2009 16:56

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
You can't slipstream IE8 into XP - only Vista and Server 2008

Slyder 29-03-2009 17:15

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
cheers ben

i know sp3 is just a few updates, im assuming it dosnt include wmp11?

BenMcr 29-03-2009 17:23

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Apparently not no

zing_deleted 29-03-2009 18:32

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyder (Post 34764953)
cheers ben

i know sp3 is just a few updates, im assuming it dosnt include wmp11?


service packs do not tend to update stuff like IE or WMP as far as I remember none of them have for xp(all 4 of them ;))

Stuart 29-03-2009 18:39

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34765006)
service packs do not tend to update stuff like IE or WMP as far as I remember none of them have for xp(all 4 of them ;))

The old NT service packs tended to update IE, and they tended to break things IIRC..

zing_deleted 29-03-2009 18:50

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
SP1 killed a hell of a lot of systems also .I always used to do a repair install with it slipstreamed to avoid it.Hell of a lot of apps didnt like it either

BenMcr 29-03-2009 19:21

Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 question.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34765006)
service packs do not tend to update stuff like IE or WMP as far as I remember none of them have for xp(all 4 of them ;))

No they didn't

However only WMP9 was released in between SP1 and SP2. Both WMP 10 and 11 were released AFTER SP2. As was IE7

---------- Post added at 20:21 ---------- Previous post was at 20:20 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34765025)
SP1 killed a hell of a lot of systems also .I always used to do a repair install with it slipstreamed to avoid it.Hell of a lot of apps didnt like it either

Luckily never had to deal with 'original' XP

First version I got was SP1a


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