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I think anyone who was around at the time can remember what they were doing when it happened. As a United fan I love to watch the team crash and burn but this was something different, a truly awful and disturbing tragedy and we're nearly at the 20th anniversary.

They're also bringing out a single as a commeration - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7964159.stm

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As a Utd fan I'd have thought the phrase crash and burn would have been off-limits to you in all circumstances. :erm: Tragedy has struck a number of football teams over the years, Man Utd, Bradford, Liverpool, Rangers ... but thankfully they are built around a core community of supporters who will look after each other, and a wider community of football-loving people who are willing to set team rivalries aside.

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United have had a major tragedy and the vast majority of supporters of other teams are respectful of that, it's only fair we demonstrate the same back. On the pitch it's different - on the terraces everyone is a fan.

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Yes I agree, this is nothing to do with football. I'll never forget that day, or the days that followed as I lost someone close to me (the youngest victim - he was just 10 at the time).

Although, i'm not so sure the choice of song will get it to No. 1 :D

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Can't believe i was only 13 days old when this happened. I've heard so much about it, and it still brings a tear to my eye each time someone reminds me.
I've been a Wednesday fan all my life, my thoughts go out to the families who lost their loved ones at our ill-prepared stadium.

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Such a tragedy that could easily been prevented. It wasn't just the stadium that was ill prepared. :(

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I was at the other semi at Villa Park - Norwich (my team) v Everton - there was a lot of misinformation going round that L'Pool fans had rioted - only when we got back to the car and turned on the radio did the reality and full tragedy of what occurred become apparent.

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20 years already, wow ....

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We were driving through central Manchester with my parents and our young son when the news started to come through on the car radio. We pulled into the side of the road and just listened in horror as the events unfolded. Thinking of that day now still brings tears to my eyes.

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I remember it very well. I was at home at my parents house that day and they live very close to the nearest hospital to hillsborough (I think its the nearest anyway).

It was shocking to see how many ambulances kept coming... don't think I'll ever forget thinking something really bad must have happened (I wasn't watching TV at the time).

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Very sad, Can you imagine being stuck there, slowing running out of air, surrounded by other people who can't help as your being crushed? Or watching it unable to help? Horrible :(

I saw this though, Made me smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsbo...of_other_clubs

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Watching it unfold in the news programmes afterwards was truly terrible..:(

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I was sitting in my grandfathers when live coverage came on the television as he had Grandstand on or similar and watched with abject horror as the events unfolded, seeing people being carried by fellow fans on bits of advertising hoarding used as makeshift stretchers and you could tell that people had died and that people were still dying.

It still makes my blood boil that the authorities involved got away with the manslaughter of those in the main preventable deaths to this day, especially the blanket ruling that everyone had died by 11 minutes past 3 the was very likely still people alive after that time who were allowed to die.

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A truly awful event, I remember watching the live build up on the TV and at first the commentators thought it was a section of the Liverpool fans causing trouble, it didn't take long for them to realise it was much more sinister by the looks of sheer terror on the fans faces.
Afterwards the outpouring of grief was tangible that is except for one paper, even to this day sales of the Sun are on the floor in Liverpool.
RIP the 96.

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I don't know one person that buys the **** newspaper and some shops don't even stock it. The lies they told will never be forgotten, no matter how many times they apologise.

But it doesn't do good to dwell on stuff like that, the anniversary is purely about the loss of 96 loved ones and the psychological damage caused to those who witnessed it.

Time for a change of avatar also.

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It started on the sunday with the **** of the world and continued on the monday with the **** daily rag as the police tried to cover up their failings and tried to blame the fans, plus they destroyed vital video tape evidence that would have proved the police culpable in a manslaughter case.

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We also had the added slap in the face of Norman Bettison being made the Chief Constable of Liverpool who denied claims that he was involved in a "black propaganda campaign" after the Hillsborough tragedy and that he was involved in a secret operation to shift blame for the football stadium disaster away from the police and onto fans.

LINKY

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Remember it like it was yesterday, I was working that Saturday down the coal mine when I had to get in touch with the surface control room for something, the guy in the control room said something has gone off at Hillsbrough, he was watching it on the TV in the Control room, later he phoned us back to tell us that 20 odd Liverpool fans had been killed, all the lads who I was working with at the time were football fans who supported the local team. When we got back to the surface we all went to the control room to see what was going on, grown miners covered in coal dust were stood there with tears streaming down their faces at the pictures that were being shown on TV.

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Ynwa

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Nice gesture :tu:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/7971982.stm

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Here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koAV41WuAQQ

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To mark the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough stadium disaster, The History Channel will be paying tribute by presenting a testimonial film to the people of Liverpool and football fans across the land.

Hillsborough Remembered

Wed April 15th at 8:00pm
Thu April 16th at 12:00am
Thu April 16th at 11:00am


http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/s...gramme_892.php

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20 years, didnt realise that much time had passed, but I do remember where I was, sitting in a bar in Palma Nova stunned as to what I was seeing on the TV.

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Been to Palma Nova - nice place :tu: Can't imagine it being so nice whilst all this was going on tho :erm:

I was only 11, watching at home whilst my family and friends were there.

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I have changed my Avatar to honour the 96 that died and have added a link to my signature for the week leading up to the 20th Anniversary of the tragedy for the Hillsborough Memorial Site so please visit it if only for a minute or two.

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Nice 1 Moldova, i'm not able to give you anymore rep as you've been so helpful already this week.

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This is more important than receiving a rep from anyone as all I want is for all who see my sig to take some time to visit and remember.

Thank you anyway.

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Here is a BBC article on Hillsborough please click the link and give a few minutes of your time to reading the 3 stories.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7988434.stm

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It's a day that everyone that was there will never be able to forget and never ever forgive the murdoch group for their complete trashing of the truth may they rot in hell for all eternity.

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Alongside that, it would also be nice for South Yorkshire Police to finally admit that they 'tampered' with statements and 'lost' valuable video tapes.

But somehow i don't see either happening :erm:

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Good Article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...tress-disorder

Will there be pauses in the games tomorrow? I like the idea of starting the game and stopping after 7 minutes for a silence.

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A good link Damien thank you.

Some more links from that same site.http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/h...rough-disaster


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/04/39.jpg

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Heartbreaking account of the days' events from John Aldridge and Alan Hansen http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...us/7994049.stm

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Remember the 2 minutes silence today.

The Virgin UK call centres are honouring this as well so please do not call from 3pm onwards till around 3.10pm

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On the pitch it's war but on the terraces it's very different. There's already a facebook group set up by Man United fans extracting the urine about the date, that's utterly shameful and disgusting.

RIP the 96.

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You can tune into Liverpool FC TV for FREE today on Virgin Media Channel 544 and Sky Digital Channel 434.

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My jaw dropped watching that.

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It is, although I don't understand what you mean, what about the date? Or do you mean the event itself?

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About the event - it's been taken down now though thankfully.

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The Hillsborough Drama starring Christopher Eccelston is on ITV3 at 9pm tonight. Very moving stuff!

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I don't understand how people can be so hurtful, these are 96 DEAD people who left the house that morning hoping to return that evening after a football game.

I've been to the memorial today to pay my respects and its been one of the most horrible days, although nowhere near what the loved ones of those had to go through. Feelings were running very high when the MP spoke on behalf of the government, and maybe GB will see now what it would mean to the loved ones to get the answers they so long for. May they rest in peace and justice finally prevail. RIP 96 loved ones.

I didn't even get to the end of it. I've worked this evening after the memorial, so haven't seen any of the programmes. I will watch them all Friday.

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I watched the video with John Aldridge and Alan Hansen then I watched the Hillsborough memorial on the History channel and found it almost unbelievable what those people went through and the mental anguish that can never truly go away.

The survivor, the father and the mother and father who in so many ways will never forgive themselves for what happened that day, then the players and even Kenny Daglish who witnessed the event and then visited the injured in hospital sometimes with tragic news to follow.

Then the authorities who to this day have not faced prosecution when all evidence points to the need for a prosecution.

Never forget the 96 who never returned home from a game of football.

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Hillsborough is a wound that won't heal until someone or something is held accountable for what happened that day it wasn't an accident it was a result of incompetence and negligence pure and simple and 96 people paid for it and hundreds will forever be scarred by it we all deserve justice.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8006744.stm

Doing the right thing or a cynical attempt to buy votes in Liverpool?

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Anything that can give the families a bit of closure is a good thing and being such a militant city, i'm sure we wouldn't be swayed :p:

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Vote buying attempt.

If the video evidence went missing what hope do they have of written evidence actually existing that would point the finger at themselves.

Here is an interesting PDF on the tragedy.

www.hfdinfo.com/include/download8.php

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The latter Derek if labour really cared they could have given access much earlier fact is after the reception the government gopher got they now know how high feeling is still running over this and spotted a chance to sway some votes complete ****.

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**** is harsh, obviously it was a move to way peoples opinions but isn't that exactly what the campaigners wanted? Pressure the government to give in and release the files?

The government don't listen and they are out of touch. They do and they are **** for trying to sway people. I don't think they could really win could they? :rolleyes:

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20 years ago it was a Conservative government in power and they locked away these files for 30 years and now a Labour government is offering to unlock those files 10 years early so a plus point in their favour.

I am not sure what kind of files will come out and I wonder to what extent they were doctored at the time by the police and the authorities, because if they cast them in a poor light it could leave them open to prosecution so I expect nothing of any real substance to be in those files.

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How is it a plus point? They were in power 10 years ago when the 10th anniversary came around and did nothing. As Rizzy pointed out, their man on the scene at Anfield got shouted down last week and suddenly they're beginning to realise there might be a way to hold on to a few votes in the city when the next election comes round.

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Plus point only that they say they are releasing them early as if the is anything in them that points to failings of an individual or the authorities then maybe justice can be served at last.

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I still don't see how this is a negative point either. Portraying it as a underhanded way to win votes is simply an attempt to turn it into a negative story but you can say the same of anything a politician does which is popular.

I think people want it both ways; If they do something unpopular or neglect to do something popular they are "not listening" and are "out of touch" whereas if they do something in reaction to public demand (i.e being chanted at, press coverage and the Justice campaign) they are "**** trying to win votes".

I am not saying this is an plus point for Labour, but more something they had to do in response to public demand. However attempts to make it into a negative point is simply unfair, and more to do with people trying to paint every action this government does in the worst possible light in order to match their own political convictions.

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The thing is from the very moment this happened which I witnessed first hand being in the pen concerned damage limitation was put into swing, the objective was to limit the damage to the police reputation.

How could videos just " Go Missing " from a police control room of all places?

If you can find a fully manned police station nowadays they all have cctv equipment installed, would I not be challenged if I went to their recording equipment and stole the tape or DVD ?

Forgive me being sceptical right now but the government and the police have got plenty of time to say what can and cannot be seen by the public, by the way, the first ones should be the families of the deceased and not the general public, indeed I would not be surprised if the damaging information has already been removed.

My only wish is for the Families to find closure.

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This makes interesting reading http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-23489865/

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8087745.stm

Despicable.

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There simply are no words that describe such complete utter **** and i hope they suffer in life for this really sickening :mad::mad::mad:.

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Do you know that Port Sunlight is the most beautiful little village, with lots of decent relatives? I'm assuming these *******s have come from a nearby area with the vandalism in mind. I hope no one finds out who it is on the grapevine because I wouldn't like to be in their shoes :erm:

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I hope they are caught and when their names are revealed someone pays them a little visit and introduces them to the game of baseball.

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correction *residents*

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Personally i hope they do get found out and not by the police because if that happens it will be handed to the criminal protection society and the sentence they get will be pathetic bit of mob justice would be perfect in this case.

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Arrest made http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8095809.stm

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As I said above he now needs to be taught how to play baseball by being the ball.http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/ne..._18%5B1%5D.gifhttp://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/36_7_20[1].gifhttp://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/ne..._19%5B1%5D.gif

No pity for him whatsoever he will deserve whatever happens to him.

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A glimmer of hope.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8174312.stm

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Lets hope so Russ, but having been there and knowing what our governments are like actually getting the " full disclosure " is a pipe dream in my books.

If the family and friends get any closure from what they read then I'm all for it, and thats more important, that the families and friends get the closure they deserve.

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Please forgive me but I've not read the other posts in this thread because I find the subject too upseting even after 20 years.I was there 20 years ago and although physically I wasn't too badly injured but I remain mentally scared even now.I am still on medication and had to finish work with ill health.I still have flashbacks and nightmares to this day.I finally managed to get to Anfield again for the 19th Anniversary thanks to another fan who held my hand and took me.Now I'm 55 but the way it has affected me is hard to explain I still find it hard to communicate with anyone.I have panic attacks in shops if there is a queue and even if I explain why people tell me to grow up it was 18 19 20 years ago.
Anyway I am one of the lucky ones and at least I can see the games on TV.
So R.I.P. The 96 You will never walk alone.

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:hugs:

I can only imagine how horrendous that must have been.

YNWL ;)

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http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Hom...Serve_On_Panel

New hope.

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21 years ago today and still seemingly no closer to justice.

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Don't forget your 2 minutes silence at 3.06pm guys.

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Posted this before but always nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFX07w2-4ls

In the silence for those that died the AC Milan fans decided to break the silence to sing "You'll Never Walk Alone". Nice video.

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That's one of the classiest things I've ever seen in football :tu:

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22 years ago today, RIP and Justice for the 96.

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im not a liverpool fan but there a certain things in football that happen that bring everyone togther, as a man u fan just want to say R.I.P and this should of never happend

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:no: I can't believe its 22 years, still remember the day like yesterday.

I'm not able to go to Anfield today as I normally would, so I went down last night to pay my respects and to place a cap on the Shankly gates sent to me by a colleague over in Sweden.

RIP JP, one of the 96 Never Forgotten YNWA

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For the 96 who had dreams and songs to sing

R.I.P.

YNWA

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Some pretty awful comments being made on Facebook by fans of other teams including Man United - absolutely sickening. The 96 were people with families, just normal people.

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those people are not fans of footballs but the same could be said of Liverpool fans on the anniversary of Munich some of the things they posted were sick why people do that i don't know.

the deaths of so many People should not be made into a joke.

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The Memorial Service is being shown live on LFC TV - the club's dedicated channel available free of charge on both SKY channel 434 and Virgin channel 544.Coverage direct from Anfield will begin at 2.45pm.

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Thanks Julian but i missed it :erm:

Its sad that some so-called fans feel the need to speak badly of the dead, but I'm pretty sure nothing any small-minded idiots (including LFC fans!) say or type can hurt the family and friends of the loved ones lost which they still mourn daily and need justice for.

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I watched it.

Rafa Benitez was there, he got very emotional when the crowd gave him a standing ovation.

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Yes it was very emotional, Benitez obviously has a love of the people and they of him. Even I was moved by it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXge4...eature=related

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He's a special man, very well respected by us all :)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-14300878

A step closer to justice for the 96?

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Yes we hope so because there is no doubt certain things were covered up.

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Hillsborough disaster inquest rules 96 victims were unlawfully killed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/l...t-live-updates

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Some comfort for the families but will anybody actually be bought to account ? Mrs Thatcher certainly owes them an apology, maybe someone can do it on her behalf ?

The Sun's front page tomorrow should be interesting too.

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Kelvin Mackenzie also owes an apology, but I fear that Hell will freeze over before he says sorry.

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Jings you are properly obsessed. She's dead, for pity's sake. Move on.

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Can't recall being obsessed with Mrs T. ??? I'm afraid someone in Govt. needs to apologise on her behalf. Hope the families can 'move on'.

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An inquest condemned many aspects of the way the disaster was handled and criminal charges may be brought against a senior police officer or the force itself.

That's the verdict the families wanted, and that's what they've got.

You continuing to bang on about Margaret Thatcher is in extremely poor taste at this time.

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To be perfectly honest l could not care two hoots about Lady Thatcher , Kelvin Mackenzie or The Sun as the people who should be brought to book are the ones who made these dreadful decisions on that terrible day.

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I mentioned her once.

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Why ?

Pretty sure they were not in charge 27 years ago.

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I do think that it would help if someone in authority (be it FA, Police or Government) and someone high up in The Sun or News Corp actually apologised to the people of Liverpool. Yes, it was decades ago. Yes, no one can change what happened, but it might help if someone said "Sorry, we ****** up".

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The families have their victory.

if there are people alive today whose actions directly caused the deaths then they should be prosecuted other than that it should now be put to rest.

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Very difficult to prosecute after all this time. All those responsible for covering up the truth, need to have justice served too. As that will cause too much embarrassment and involve too many in high places, it won't happen. Today, welcome though it is, is probably the best the families are going to get.

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Can't speak for the ambulance service, but the police instructed their lawyers to stick to the original story throughout the inquest. It's easy to see why the families would want to see the back of the chief cons table under the circumstances.

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Which is exactly why David Crompton has been suspended

http://news.sky.com/story/1686214/po...r-hillsborough

On the plus side we have finally found a use for the Police Commissioner :D

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The Times realised they got it wrong today... https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/04/2.jpg

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The Heysal Stadim disaster 4 years earlier.. lessons were not learnt then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-32898612

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...th-anniversary