Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5032...uble-room.html


The question is, are these people the injured party, or are they simply trying to make a point for points sake by going against the Christian values which it appears they would have been fully aware of in advance.

Why should a couples sexual preferences be respected more than a couple's religious belief? Both are a matter of choice, so either both should be protected, or neither!

Would there be the same case if a Muslim run establishment had objected, I think not, since political correctness gone mad demands that we avoid offending every race and religion except our own (and mine varies between Agnostic / C of E by default).

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/e...andbelief.aspx

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oil doesn't mix with water. why try it?

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I think they knew they wouldn't get a double room when they booked and this is just another exercise in trying to push the boundries a little further. While i do not support the view the couple have i respect their right ot have it and practise it and maybe if this couple had that level of understanding for the couple they expect for themselves this would never have happened.

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I agree, I went to the website and on picking a room to book you quite clearly see the following:-

Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note that as Christians we have a deep regard for marriage(being the union of one man to one woman for life to the exclusion of all others).
Therefore, although we extend to all a warm welcome to our home, our double bedded accommodation is not available to unmarried couples – Thank you.

No-one can claim they didn't see it, it's not hidden away.
Call me cynical but I think they're simply trying to make some quick money.

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Well the hotel owners were aware they were breaking the law, and someone's challenged them. They were hoping for people to quietly accept their illegal policy, and some people didn't. Tough luck, **** happens. I wonder how they enforce their policy anyway. Do they compare wedding rings at check-in, or do they ask for marriage certificates?

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Blimey what do the owners do check straight couples fingers for an untanned ring to make sure they are not fibbing.
Personally I haven't much sympathy for the hotel owners, thirty odd years ago you could have substituted the gay couple for a black couple and there would have been an excuse why they couldn't stay.
Hopefully in another thirty years we'll look back on events like these with a more enlightened outlook.

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If this was the only hotel in that area i might agree with some of you that say it's wrong but it isn't there are others so why didn't this gay couple go to one of them. No they pick the one where they can see they will be able to kick up a fuss it's competely stupid and was unnecessary.

End of the day these are people that have a religious belief and they enforce it last time i checked people were free to practice their religion in whatever way they choose. No one is forced to stay at their accomadation and if you choose to do that you do so in accordance with their rules which as has been stated they do not hide on their webpage and i doubt they hide them in phone conversations either. This is a couple looking to be offended and looking to start a problem that really isn't there to be had.

As for this oft quoted "thirty years ago black people were banned from this and that" yes that might have been the case and that was ignorance and prejudice this is religious conviction there is a vast difference and as anyone that uses these forums often will know i am not religious but i defend the right of any and all to have their belief and practise it however they choose.

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There are a lot of establishments like this all over the world, that clearly set out that they are Christian run.
This hotels "rules" went a little further than most, and stated their views about marriage, and that wished no unmarried couples to use the same bedroom.

I feel the gay couple are testing their rights, and are looking to publicise the rights of gays, I personally do not feel it is about the money.

It will be interesting to see the out come.

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I was listening to lbc yesterday where nick ferari was interviewing a spokeswoman for the gay couple about this. They knew before hand the hotel's policy and still turned up knowing full well they would not get a room. Also even though they said their action is not about the money they are claiming 5000 pounds damages! When asked if they would accept an apology, instead of the money they said no. I think that says more about the couple's motives then any hurt they might have felt.
In regard to one of the earlier posts on this thread questioning what the reaction would be if the owners were muslim, i'm willing to bet that if that had been the case then this thread would have already had 100 plus posts, with the common theme being muslims and immigrants are being pandered too and that they should all be deported back to their stoneage countries.

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I'm sorry to say you are probably right. Let's try the shoe on the other foot (so to speak):

Christians are immigrants and are being pandered to, they should all be deported back to the Midde East.

Hmm. I wonder how many people would buy a newspaper if that was the headline...

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If they rejected the couple of sexual orientation then in simple terms the hotel was wrong to refuse the rooms based on the current laws... If they don't like the current laws then they have a simple right to set up a hotel elsewhere that doesn't have the laws or start up a business which doesn't have such laws..

The warning on the website is that it states 'a marraige between Man & a Women'..It doesn't then give any scope for civil partnerships (even once performed in a church) nor does it give leeway for foriegn single sex marraiges..

It's not as if it's a brand new law and has been in force a couple of years now..

If it was based on Christianity then why also doesn't it restrict against thost married in a registry office...or perhaps unbaptized individuals

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Well 50 years ago people hiring out accommodation could set what ever rules they wanted..it was a take it or leave it situation.If you failed to pass whatever criteria they set you had no leg to stand on.

However here we are 50 years later when racial,religious, and sexual discrimination is against the law so anyone thinking they can use the religious discrimination angle to bend the rules to suit themselves had better think again.

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i might be wrong here, but i thought a hotel/bb accomadation can refuse service like a landlord of a pub can,ie im not serving you go away. what is the problem here? imo this is another minority forcing there views on the majority. are hotels that advertise no children breaking the law?

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Maybe it does and just no-one has pulled them up (or tried to get money out of them) yet.

Because perhaps unbaptised people don't neccessarily have a lifestyle that the owners are uncomfortable with?

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But that's the thing...they're not picking on all apects of those who are not christians..instead they have selected a wording that prohibits one distinct group which is breaking the law... By doing so their Christian beliefs can NOT be a defence..

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Kymmy they're also saying an unmarried man and woman who are away for a dirty weekend would not be welcome.

In any case they're not saying "no gays", they're saying the rooms with double beds are only available to married couples.

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They have banned all unmarried couples – both heterosexual and homosexual – from sharing a bed.
They also said:-
Mrs Bull, 62, said that even her brother and his girlfriend had to stay in separate rooms when they visited the hotel.

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I have to ask why this couple are running a hotel if they wish to limit it to a certain clientèle based on their own religious preferences? No one is forcing them to share a bed with the gay couple, so what the couple do is their own business and not a matter on which to be judged by someone else.

However, I do not think they should be sued as the couple knew in advance of the policy and I cannot see how this is worth £5,000! They just to consider their policy again and seek legal advice.

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whatever your interests are surely you look to go somewhere, where you feel welcome not to cause trouble a quick google found this

http://friendly-places.com/categorie...ation=Cornwall

imo the the couple in question are touble making idiots (with a gay overtone!)

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But they are saying "no gays" in that they consider Marriage to be between a Man and a Woman. There is no way that a gay couple could share a room? I also would point out that a relationship between a man and a woman who are not married does not equal a 'dirty weekend'.

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I'd say that's not been established yet. Let's wait to hear what the court says before we start using phrases like 'illegal policy', eh?

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Using an extreme example to illustrate a point here, I'm sure a lot of people would be uncomfortable offering a room to a heroin user. Before any of the PC guys have a go at me, I'm not saying homosexuality is (or should be) as illegal as taking heroin, but some people clearly are uncomfortable with the drug use lifestyle (regardless of it being illegal) and would not want to promote it.

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I am not well up on the legalities on all this.
If they do not wish to let certain people stay surely that is their right.

The post office master, his position was to serve ALL the public, but in this case do the couple have the legal right to let or not to let who they wish to stay at their hotel??

I own a holiday property, I do not let everyone who asks to stay, stay.
That is my choice, I feel I am allowed to make it as well, and I do not even know anything about their sexual preferences, or if they are married or not!

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Mm, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of a good rant. There's no evidence anywhere of the hoteliers asking for any kind of proof of marriage. It's far more reasonable to conclude that they simply set out their rule and from that point on guests either comply with it or tell a lie to get round it. More difficult for a gay couple to get away with, I grant you.

Your comparison with racism is of course completely false, as I'm sure you were aware when you posted it. Nobody is barred from the hotel. The hoteliers simply decline to sell double-bedded rooms to unmarried couples.

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Well as you confess it is an extreme example. Drug use, especially heroin, is a dangerous lifestyle and can often affect others in a negative way. So people who are uncomfortable with it have perfectly valid reasons to do so. This is not the case for homosexual lifestyles.

A couple being gay has no effect on other people, it is not a dangerous lifestyle and it does not fund despicable sections of society. It is simply a religious and/or moral belief, which is fine, but should not be imposed on other people.

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Why then state "Married HETROSEXUAL couples" to the guests as the reason for thier refusal ??? and not just "married couples"????

It's a fact that by stating that then they are breaking the law, whether they have non-defence of ignorance of the law or they try to use religious freedom as an excuse...they have broken the law!!!

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And as I've already said, I think that's for a court to decide. The facts of the case aren't in dispute here, however clearly the interpretation of them is.

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No you're stating your own views there - some people feel that the homosexual lifestyle is also dangerous albeit in different ways. In my post I did say 'regardless of the legality' regarding drug use.

Possibly to set a difference between marriage and 'civil partnerships'?

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I can't see how it is dangerous in this context? Especially when your comparison was with something with is certifiably dangerous...

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You don't see how it is considered 'dangerous' to the hoteliers because you don't share those Christian views.

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But hetrosexual couples have the option of a civil partnership... there's no way the term "married hetrosexual couples" can mean anything but discrimination in this context...

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Russ is alluding to metaphysical danger.

Personally I think that's a bit of a red herring. The law is in danger of swinging too far in favour of one set of rights over another here, and shouldn't be used to enforce one person's morality over another. Whether that has happened in this case has not been established yet. A court will decide how the discrimination laws apply (or whether they do at all).

However, this couple run a business on private premises and should be entitled to decide what is and is not allowed under their own roof. If some people aren't happy with the restrictions, there are countless other hotels they can stay at.

Wind the clock forward a few months, and assume that the court rules in favour of the gay couple. What are the hoteliers supposed to do then? Wind up their livelihood because the way they choose to live their lives, within the confines of their own private property, is unacceptable to two people who didn't even want to stay there anyway?

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And a civil partnered hetro couple would be in the same situation too - they would be discouraged from taking a double bedded room too.

As mentioned earlier this is a clash of religious views against lifestyle and in this PC world of "let's not offend the minorities" I hazard a guess of how this one will go.

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Kymmy, you're using the fact that the British Government has chosen to make marriage/partnership a more complex legal issue than it ever has been before to muddy the waters here.

Every man and woman on the street has a clear idea of what you mean when you say 'married' and 'heterosexual'.

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I don't think when it comes to other people that someone should discriminate based on that their religious views consider dangerous. They need to accept not everyone shares their views and in the absence of evidence they should tolerate peoples choices. Drug use has actual harm, Homosexuality does not.

I still don't understand how it is dangerous to other people? Does the Bible say that offering shelter or friendship to homosexuals is a sin?

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Damien, do you believe you should be allowed to decide what behaviour is acceptable on your own private property, or do you not?

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The hoteliers aren't turning the gay couple away, they'd be welcome to stay there, just not in a room with a double bed.

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Yes, but there are no laws against discrimination on the grounds of the use of illicit substances are there? There are laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation which is the issue here.

We've just booked accomodation for a short getaway, and the website stated that if you wanted to book the place for an all male or all female party you should call ahead to discuss terms. I presume this is because they don't want stag/hen parties. As far as I'm aware the people running the place are within their rights to do this. They just can't do it on the basis of sexual orientation.

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It's been made clear several times now that the hotel does not have a 'no gays' policy. Homosexual couples are welcome to stay there just like anyone is.

I'm sure some parts of the media are painting this as "nasty Christian hoteliers ban gays from staying" but as usual, that isn't the case. The gay couple chose not to stay there.

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They are refusing them services...

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LOL, everyones grabbing at the "civil partnership" side of my quotes when the most relevant word is "Hetrosexual" My argument is (and that's why I brought in that civil partnerships is not jus same sex to guide people AWAY from the marraige/single/partnership issue) that yes it would have been OK if the couple had stuck to thier website wording and restricted "unmarried couples" Instead the reason for rejection for this couple was as in the article as

By that quote they are discriminating against a couple sexuality

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...in the hoteliers OWN property.

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Yes, you do. This couple are running a business though and not inviting people into a private home. I believe there are laws in providing services and discrimination. However, I do not think they should be sued as there were plenty of hotels around and they were aware of the policy. Why not just accept it instead of looking for a pointless battle?

My main interest in this topic is why the couple have a hotel if they wish to have these policies? As well as questioning the extent to which you can impose your personal beliefs on others when providing a service.

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Yes, fair enough. It's still only a civil case though isn't it?

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Do we know that quote came from the hoteliers? Or do we just have the word of the homosexual couple to go on?

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Yes, and there are laws on how they can and cannot run their business in their OWN property.

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Well we shall see what the law thinks of that.

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Now that is the right question... It'll be interesting to see if it will stand up in court..you do have to witnesses to the fact that it has been said (albiet an unmarried couple) but in dicrimination cases sometimes one witness is enough..

Yes it could be sour grapes on the gay couple and I do know a few who like to toss in the anti-gay comments as being said even when they weren't... Or it could be an actual slip of the hoteliers stating something in thier mind at the time which shouldn't have but was said...

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Why shouldn't they have a hotel? Restricting the sorts of business people can have based on their religion is a very, very dangerous road to travel. I think it's also likely that they had the hotel before the introduction of the law that is now being waved at them.

Your use of 'impose' is interesting. Given that this is not a State service, providing things the couple couldn't reasonably obtain somewhere else (such as free healthcare, benefits, etc etc), how exactly is the double room policy and imposition?

When this gets to court, it is going to be a straight fist-fight between the discrimination laws quoted by Stonewall, and the Human Rights Act, which guarantees freedom of religious expression. The court will have to decide which has primacy.

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because Christians recognise state marriages ( there isnt really any need to get married in a church ( except maybe for Catholics ) as there is no bible section on how to get married )

there is however a European law that says they are allowed to manifest thier faith the way they see fit


see hear where this was upheld when a greak court went against the convention

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...3-1492004.html


there are too competing freedoms here and if this was about refusing to let them in it would one thing ( thats to do with the black coment on refusing service ) but this is not its about what they want going on under thier roof

if they had seperate rooms just as would have been asked of them as an unmarried couple they could have staid

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As far as though thier own property as soon as they opened the building up as fee paying accomodation they do come under discrimination laws as well as a load of other laws so not the same as it being thier own private property and able to say/do what they like as there's now no inferrence of privacy especially within the communial areas like reception..

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Just an amendment - for a marriage to be recognised by God it has to take place in His presence at a place of worship, so a state marriage is not legitimate in God's eye.

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Out of interest, does it say so anywhere in the bible?

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So says god or the rules set down by human beings some 1800 years ago?? But then that is a whole nother argument for yet another religious thread ;) :erm: :rolleyes:

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Yes, although I haven't got the passage to hand.

---------- Post added at 10:58 ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 ----------

A slightly unfair, pointless and as you suggest, off-topic dig....

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Slacker! :p: :angel: :D

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In the context of this thread it doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether anyone other than the hoteliers believe in the religion or not. It is a religion, and that invokes the human rights act, the other relevant piece of legislation in this situation that you've been carefully ignoring up to now. ;)

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There are two sides to this.

The hotel owners do have the right to say who they want to have as guests. However, how far do you allow that? OK, so they are only saying that unmarried couples can't sleep together, and defining a married couple as being a man and a woman.

But, saying that *is* discrimination. People don't' seem too bothered that two Homosexuals are not allowed to sleep together, but would they feel the same if the hotel had said "No Black Couples"? OK, so that's a little extreme, but the concept is the same. You are refusing to allow people to sleep together based purely on some biological condition that they have no control over.

Having said that, I still think the way the Homosexual couple has acted is wrong. The hotel's rules are *clearly* stated, so they should have picked another hotel.

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There are lots of passages in the bible you know ;)

In any case from what I remember, it's more a case of marriages requiring the church's blessing. A marriage in a registry office or whatever is usually done because those involved don't want religion to play a part in it, so you could understand that not getting the blessing.

But that's not the subject of the thread and for this week's session of religion-bashing I believe there is already an established thread (from which I unsubscribed days ago...).

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HRA though is so overused and could be twisted in mosts groups favor... It does though beg the question as to how far do you go...If the discrimination laws covering this are agianst the true spirit of the HRA then surely the laws would never have been passed especially in such a modern world...

Also then surely non-religious people within the HRA have a right not to be dictated to by religious people.... If the HRA comes into it then this argument will go backwards/forwards forever and ever..

Perhaps in this case then there's been failures on both sides...the patrons should have perhaps queried the "no unmarried couples" rule and the hoteliers should have queried the patrons request more suitably..

All this arguement is I think do to one word "HETROSEXUAL" that may or may not have bbeen said....

It is going to make an intersting court case....if it ever gets that far

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I only go to church for deaths and marriages.
I got married in a registry office, I'm not religious until it suits me to be ie some disaster befalls my life and I pray to the man/woman upstairs.

If God is omnipresent, he/she heard my prayers and sanctioned my marriage.

Or if this can only happen in a place of worship, then God is a sham.

Back on topic
I can choose who I want to let into my place of business just because I feel like it.
Something along the lines of, the management reserve the right to lay down whatever rules they like.
This couple clearly state the clientele they want because of their religious beliefs and IMO that's their right to do so.

The law says my 18yr old and 16yr old can have sex, but they won't be doing it under my roof.

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Yes and No, you have to stay though within the set laws...

It's like someone saying well if you break into my house I can kill you... which obviously isn't the case unless it's in defence of your own life...

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Meaning unmarried heterosexual couples could also sue because they were refused a room with a double bed.

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There's no law (AFAIK) against discrimination on the basis of marital status (which presumably is what this case is going to be about).

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What is this lawsuit actually about??

Is it based on the fact that they were refused the room or the way that they were refused the room... (i.e.. using the word 'hetrosexual')

If the former then yes any unmarried couple could sue and probably get laughed out of court...if the later then there is a discrimination based on sexual orientation...

Religious or not, privacy or not I don't think comes into it if they are again suing for discrimination based on sexual orientation.

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When the ECHR was brought into UK law as the HRA it was framed in a way that gave it primacy over other laws already on our statute book. Since then, a lot of legislation and common practices in this country have been found not to be compatible with the HRA and have had to change.

I admire your faith in our legislators but is simply isn't safe to assume that a law would not have been passed had it been incompatible with the Human Rights Act. Parliament can, and does, pass legislation that royally screws up other, older laws. Some barristers have made a lucrative career out of sorting out the resulting mess. But in cases where the HRA is involved it is fairly clear cut because the HRA has built in the provision that it over-rides everything else.

The Human Rights Act guarantees freedom of religious expression and this is bound to be made an issue when this case gets to court.

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I personally think that neither side has a true case as it depends way to much on the usage or non-usage of a single word and is one couples word against another

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bible quote for that ?

there is no part of the bible showing how to conduct a marriage for christians

in jewish law marrige was more of a contract that started with what we would call an engagemnet and ( lasted about a year ) then all you had to do was take your partner to your house and you were considered married

there is however a instruction to respect any governments wishes to register a marriage Titus 3:1: "Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,"

before any one jumps on that to say they have to obey the rules on other things ;) when conflict occurs between gods laws and government then this applies

Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!"

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If the homosexual couple win, then surely yes, as the unmarried heterosexual couple are then being discriminated against for being heterosexual. That is assuming that this law is indeed based on principles and not on opinions of oppressive minority groups.

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Just going back to a couple of earlier points i don't think the bible lays down any laws on how marriages are to be conducted and where. And if god is everywhere surely a marriage can take place anywhere. Anyway irregardless of that, same sex marriages are definately not recognised as far as i know, so they are still going against the hoteliers convictions.
Anyway i still have to question the motives of the gay couple. If i was gay and trawling the net for places to stay and saw a place which said non married couples are not welcome in a christian run hotel, i'd apply some common sense and either find another hotel or not tell them i'm gay when i check in.

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Read my subsequent posts...;)

I'm sure no-one is suggesting that Christianity would give its blessing to a marriage which was specifically set up to have all traces of religion removed, which is why most people seem to use registry offices. In fact would the couple want Christianity's blessing? Perhaps because that would be imposing itself on atheists? And dear me, we can't be having that...

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Russ, I really think you're digging yourself into a bit of a hole here.

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I can almost hear the little worms slithering from the can right now.....

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Just offering a point of view on this, we don't know what really happened, we don't know what the hoteliers' views are, we can only wait and see what the court decides.

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i might be missing a post but as a Christian myself there is no biblical provision or requirement for a religious element to a marriage

there are a lot of customs that have become part of Christian marriages but that's all they are customs

in the old testament there was no requirement for a religious service or indeed for there to be a priest present

in the new testament there are no rules set down for a service or indeed a requirement for a blessing

back to current point

under article 9 of the European convention this couple have a right to practice and manifest thier religion and although certain things can impinge that i cant see that the laws on discrimination can over rule article 9

else are they going to say that hotels have to allow anyone paying for a double room and for two occupants can take prostitutes there as this is not illegal either and surely is protected in the same way under freedom of trade and right no to discriminate

as they dot want something done on thier property and they are not singling out homosexuals this rule applies to heterosexuals too they are not discriminating

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i know of something similar that happened in Cardiff in a B & B there to friends of mine. They wanted 2 single rooms and the owner turned them away cos they were gay.

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now that would be wrong

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It's important to emphasis the difference here - what you've said happened there is unacceptable.

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I don't think that's very similar. Having said that, how did the B&B owners know they were gay?

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And thinking about it, would that sort of thing create a little media interest?

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They probably went dressed as that funny one in Little Britain :)

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Eh? How is wanting to be treated equally being "oppressive"?:confused:
(the law, not this instance)

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At the present time, in most lands of the earth, marriage is governed by the laws of the civil authorities in power.
According to the marriage arrangment in Bible times, the requirement would be that the marriage be legalised according to the laws of the land, and that the marriage must be recorded.

The Bible record nowhere sets out a requirement of a religious ceremony , or that it has to take place in a church and be conducted by a priest, pastor, vicar, who ever!

This is the same today, we may get married where we wish to, a Church, a Kingdom Hall, a hotel, a registry office, infact any place that the governers of a country say is a legal place of marriage.

I got married in a registry office, and my marriage IS recognised by God.

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We'll agree to disagree on that then :Peace:

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Prove me wrong if you wish, and my buddy Roger of course!!!;):)


(Wheres Harry Hill.........only one way to solve this..........);)

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As I said, we'll agree to disagree....

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Thank you Chris and Gary.

Im not really cruising for a bruising though!!

:)

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Keep up, Gary :p:

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I was on the phone and doing it one handed :)

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There's absolutely nothing I can post in response to that, that wouldn't require me to ban myself from the forum immediately. :spin:

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Dare you........................:D:o:

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He thinks I'm driving while using the mobile. doesn't he? :)

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This is a complete non issue they were not refused service they were not barred from the premises they were told that as an unmarried couple they were not permitted to have a double room. Many many years ago when i went to torquay with a girlfriend we stayed at a lovely b&b that insisted we stay in single rooms as we were not married.

Maybe i should have sued them for their lack of understanding but i took the view i think most would that although i might have been a paying customer that didn't mean they lost all their rghts to run their business how they chose to and i had the option as did this couple to go to another b&b if i was that offended.

This is just another example of something i see all to often in this country these days of some people looking for trouble looking to make a row where there really doesn't need to be one and another example of one group wanting a level of understanding for their position while completely failing to do the same for others it really is getting beyond a joke and it needs to stop now.

Over the last few days i have been in a weird position for me in a couple of threads on here lol defending someone in the bnp though i loathe the party and all it stands for and now as an atheist defending the rights of a religious couple shows how funny life can be doesn't it.

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No they don't

Civil partnership

The Civil Partnership Act 2004 came into force on 5 December 2005 and enables same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership have a new legal status, that of 'civil partner'

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Is religion not about faith and believe? If lucy believes that her marriage was approved by God, even though it was in a registry office, then i think it's extremely hypocritical for a christian to say thats not the case.

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:clap: well said

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Putting words in my mouth.....

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My post said it all, I'm not gonna knock any one on here for what they have typed, and I am a "fully fledged" Christian!



IN EDIT........step away please folks, do not bait any one on here please.