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LondonRoad

18-03-2009 12:56

Some Boys in blue haven't a clue

When will they learn?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7950540.stm

I thought Innocent until proven guilty applied to all of us but some in the force think they know better.

chuzzlemonkey

18-03-2009 12:59

Re: Some Boys in blue haven't a clue

Shocking. And these people uphold the law?

papa smurf

18-03-2009 13:02

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"Mr Ahmad is separately accused of raising money to support terrorism in Chechnya and Afghanistan via websites and e-mails"

trouble just follows this man around .

chuzzlemonkey

18-03-2009 13:04

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'accused'
Until proven guilty i say he deserves his pay out..

If he is guilty he can come back on his knees with my tax money! lol

Chris

18-03-2009 13:05

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34755900)

"Mr Ahmad is separately accused of raising money to support terrorism in Chechnya and Afghanistan via websites and e-mails"

trouble just follows this man around .

He could be Satan himself for all I care. The day we start acting like extremist nutters, we become like them and they have won. There is absolutely no excuse for the treatment he received.

piggy

18-03-2009 14:03

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i think the thread title is wrong the boys in blue were doing what they were told to do imo,also if he is involved in raising funds for terriorists he deserves all the bad treatment he recieved.

Chris

18-03-2009 14:08

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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34755948)

i think the thread title is wrong the boys in blue were doing what they were told to do imo

By whom?

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also if he is involved in raising funds for terriorists he deserves all the bad treatment he recieved.

If he is guilty of an offence, he deserves whatever a judge throws at him. He does not deserve a random beating at the hands of police or anyone else.

LondonRoad

18-03-2009 14:13

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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34755948)

i think the thread title is wrong the boys in blue were doing what they were told to do imo,also if he is involved in raising funds for terriorists he deserves all the bad treatment he recieved.

Since when has it been acceptable for Police to beat up anybody. They may well have been told to take him into custody, they wouldn't have been instructed to beat him up.

IF he is involved in any illegal activities then he is entitled to a fair trial. IF he is found to be guilty then he will be punished by the laws of that court. Police carrying out their own justice are no better than the thugs/criminals they are supposed to be protecting us from.{IMHO}

piggy

18-03-2009 14:40

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Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34755954)

it is only my opinion ,but i cant see anything wrong if he has any connection with the mentioned website then he deserved what he got. if he is innocent then 60,000 pounds should make him feel a whole lot better.

WHISTLED

18-03-2009 14:44

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i say he deserves his pay out..

I would take a good kicking for 60k!

Flyboy

18-03-2009 15:51

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Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34755954)

Since when has it been acceptable for Police to beat up anybody. They may well have been told to take him into custody, they wouldn't have been instructed to beat him up.

Oh I can FULLY believe they were following SOP (and were bloody well enjoying it). Why do you think the IPCC investigation was a whitewash?

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IF he is involved in any illegal activities then he is entitled to a fair trial. IF he is found to be guilty then he will be punished by the laws of that court. Police carrying out their own justice are no better than the thugs/criminals they are supposed to be protecting us from.{IMHO}

And what a recruiting boon to fundamental Islamism that would be as well. If he didn't hate the West before, he probably does now and no surpise either.

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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34755970)

After six years, they couldn't come up with any evidence. So, I would conclude that there isn't any. Sixty thousand pounds is a very little amount to compensate for this sort of attack. The CICA award would probably have been more.

piggy

18-03-2009 16:30

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34756048)

Oh I can FULLY believe they were following SOP (and were bloody well enjoying it). Why do you think the IPCC investigation was a whitewash?

And what a recruiting boon to fundamental Islamism that would be as well. If he didn't hate the West before, he probably does now and no surpise either.

---------- Post added at 15:51 ---------- Previous post was at 15:45 ----------

After six years, they couldn't come up with any evidence. So, I would conclude that there isn't any. Sixty thousand pounds is a very little amount to compensate for this sort of attack. The CICA award would probably have been more.

you have just attacked both sides of the debate what point are you trying to make :erm:

Flyboy

18-03-2009 16:45

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Err...if you say so.

Nidge

19-03-2009 06:21

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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34755948)

i think the thread title is wrong the boys in blue were doing what they were told to do imo,also if he is involved in raising funds for terriorists he deserves all the bad treatment he recieved.

Well said that man, he was doing wrong by raising funds for his cronies overseas so IMO he deserved everything he got.

LondonRoad

19-03-2009 09:52

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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34756561)

Well said that man, he was doing wrong by raising funds for his cronies overseas so IMO he deserved everything he got.

and if he's found innocent of those accusations for what did he deserve the kicking?:rolleyes:

chuzzlemonkey

19-03-2009 10:32

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Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34755975)

I would take a good kicking for 60k!

Oh the things i'd do for Â£60K...
Actually i'm starting a new thread for that! :D

Derek

19-03-2009 12:14

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Whilst I'd like to make it very clear attacking a prisoner isn't on the amount of payout seems hugely excessive.

Looking at the marks in the first photo on the link appear to be pretty standard residual marks left by handcuffs if the person in them struggles. I've been handcuffed enough times (whilst working before the usual comments) to know they aren't designed for comfort.

Anyway 60k for a beating. Not bad considering a soldier losing both legs and needing medical care for the rest of his life gets about 150k.

LondonRoad

19-03-2009 12:32

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34756806)

I'm not arguing about the level of compensation. The level of compen wouldn't have arisen at all if the accused hadn't been subjected to improper treatment.

I have sympathy for officers who don't engage in such activities because there is a large section of society who tag all policeman as being thugs in uniform. Episodes like this only re-enforce that attitude. :(

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