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mischievious 17-03-2009 12:30

Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...t-malaria.html

Bill Gates charity foundation has been funding this.

Is this a new way to get a scrapped project for a weapon of war back into production or a legitimate and practical use with great benefits?

Who knows but what a great story!

Seems Bill Gates has also been frightening rich people by setting mosquitoes on them:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...-TED-2009.html

Kymmy 17-03-2009 12:51

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Hmmm, Somehow I think the Luke Skywalker quote "we used to bulls eye swamp mossies back home, there not much bigger than 2 millimeters" just wouldn't have made it into the film :D

Chris 17-03-2009 12:58

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Quote:

A computer triggers the laser beam which burns the wings off the mosquito and kills it.
Now there's a roomful of boffins who never really grew up ... but who needs a magnifying glass when you've got a laser? :D

idi banashapan 17-03-2009 17:50

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
another example of how the human race is making it worse for itself. we think we are being kind by saving all these people with appeals and this kind of technology, but it simply means we are cancelling out natural selection, meaning countries have vastly higher populations and a growing debt to boot. take some of the African countries as an example. 1st world countries pour in money from charities and aid to save people, meaning there's more of them who will ultimately still need protection from whatever diseases we were protecting them from in the first place. they will continue to have families, meaning there's even more. basically, it's our fault so many people live in poverty and at risk of disease!

second to that, this is about using and advancing a weapon technology. doesn't matter how you coat it - it's weaponry first and foremost, even if at present it will only be used on insects!

bw41101 17-03-2009 18:27

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Methinks the phrase "to crack a nut using a sledgehammer" comes to mind. Suppose that's one way to justify the billions spent on the original programme.

Sigh.........................!

:Sprint:

budwieser 17-03-2009 19:43

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34755258)
another example of how the human race is making it worse for itself. we think we are being kind by saving all these people with appeals and this kind of technology, but it simply means we are cancelling out natural selection, meaning countries have vastly higher populations and a growing debt to boot. take some of the African countries as an example. 1st world countries pour in money from charities and aid to save people, meaning there's more of them who will ultimately still need protection from whatever diseases we were protecting them from in the first place. they will continue to have families, meaning there's even more. basically, it's our fault so many people live in poverty and at risk of disease!

second to that, this is about using and advancing a weapon technology. doesn't matter how you coat it - it's weaponry first and foremost, even if at present it will only be used on insects!


" another example of how the human race is making it worse for itself. we think we are being kind by saving all these people with appeals and this kind of technology, but it simply means we are cancelling out natural selection, meaning countries have vastly higher populations and a growing debt to boot. take some of the African countries as an example. 1st world countries pour in money from charities and aid to save people, meaning there's more of them who will ultimately still need protection from whatever diseases we were protecting them from in the first place. they will continue to have families, meaning there's even more. basically, it's our fault so many people live in poverty and at risk of disease!"

Been saying this for a long time now Bender.

Hugh 17-03-2009 19:50

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34755258)
another example of how the human race is making it worse for itself. we think we are being kind by saving all these people with appeals and this kind of technology, but it simply means we are cancelling out natural selection, meaning countries have vastly higher populations and a growing debt to boot. take some of the African countries as an example. 1st world countries pour in money from charities and aid to save people, meaning there's more of them who will ultimately still need protection from whatever diseases we were protecting them from in the first place. they will continue to have families, meaning there's even more. basically, it's our fault so many people live in poverty and at risk of disease!

second to that, this is about using and advancing a weapon technology. doesn't matter how you coat it - it's weaponry first and foremost, even if at present it will only be used on insects!

Depends if you think "how can we help?" or "frack 'em!" - me, I think we should help.

You could apply the same logic to those in the developed world whose lives are extended/enhanced by technology, such as diabetics, para/quadraplegics, partially-sighted people, cancer patients, etc - should we let "natural selection" take care of them as well?

mischievious 17-03-2009 21:18

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
There are a few nuances here that I can't help noticing.

The mosquitoe killing laser is a tracking device to track the mosquitoe audibly, a computer will then fire the laser in order to destroy the source of that sound.

Sounds a lot like a prototype weapons program to me?

Can good be gotten out of it in the process, maybe? Since Bill Gates charity is funding the development and worried about the poor getting malaria, why is it that this kind of technology sounds well beyond any but the richest of persons price-band?

idi banashapan 17-03-2009 21:20

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34755351)
Depends if you think "how can we help?" or "frack 'em!" - me, I think we should help.

You could apply the same logic to those in the developed world whose lives are extended/enhanced by technology, such as diabetics, para/quadraplegics, partially-sighted people, cancer patients, etc - should we let "natural selection" take care of them as well?

it's a good point. taxes would go down. national insurance would be less. we would be less overcrowded. less immigrants coming into the country for free healthcare. more green areas due to less buildings needed. more housing available. less cars on the road. less harmful gasses being pumped into the atmosphere. healthier environment. less illness. and the cycle starts again.

maybe we should then...

mischievious 17-03-2009 21:30

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
A better link:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/17/mosquito_laser/

Quote:

Today it seems that the mosquito-blaster is considerably more advanced. Using parts apparently purchased on eBay, the boffins have assembled a Heath Robinson contraption of mirrors, Mag-lite illuminators, camera lenses and so on, and placed this fearful engine of insectoid genocide under the control of a Dell PC. Placed across the room from an empty fishtank filled with mosquitoes, the machine reaps a deadly harvest. The WSJ notes:

A mosquito hovers into view. Suddenly, it bursts into flame. A thin plume of smoke rises as the mosquito falls. At the bottom of the screen, the carcass smolders.
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Myhrvold says the gear can already tell nice insects like butterflies from pestilential bloodsuckers
Still can't help thinking, make it bigger then:

"A person walks into view. Suddenly, they burst into flame. A thin plume of smoke rises as the person falls. At the bottom of the screen, the carcass smolders"

danielf 17-03-2009 21:34

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34755351)
Depends if you think "how can we help?" or "frack 'em!" - me, I think we should help.

You could apply the same logic to those in the developed world whose lives are extended/enhanced by technology, such as diabetics, para/quadraplegics, partially-sighted people, cancer patients, etc - should we let "natural selection" take care of them as well?

There also is the issue that when fewer people die, fewer people will need to be born to sustain a family. The population will decrease (or at least not grow as rapidly), which can only be a good thing.


Infant mortality by country

mischievious 17-03-2009 21:39

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34755463)
it's a good point.

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Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34755463)
maybe we should then...

I might have brought too many concepts to the table :D

If you take this to the nth level we could always follow Billy Connelly's suggestion to the overcrowding issue, involves eating people though.... :D

idi banashapan 17-03-2009 21:46

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34755346)

Been saying this for a long time now Bender.

the problem is, this goes against the socially accepted moral standing, so although it is actually true, one can't express this opinion without the comment or spokesperson being ridiculed, taken out of context or burned at the stake!

I guess it's you and I then!!! lol. Sometimes the truth is crappy, but it's still the truth and highly undeniably so.

it's things like this that show up who comments in a realistic and honest manner, and those who comment in a political and public viewing manner.


those who wish to be seen as morally high and socially acceptable will say we should always help those in the 3rd world who overbreed because we are helping them stay alive, causing overpopulation. those who would rather just say it the way it is without worrying how people perceive them would say that the 1st world countries are to blame. but regardless of what stance you take on this, it is still the truth that the 1st world is aiding overpopulation by their do-gooding.

perhaps if we left the under developed 3rd world countries fend for themselves, they too would find a way to deal with things and develop their own methods. unfortunately, we (1st world) keep doing it for them, hindering their progression. it's like we are dumbing down entire nations.

if we continued to wipe our childrens bums without ever letting them learn how to do it, imagine what our lives would be like. we'd all need someone else to do our dirty work because we never learned how to do it ourselves.

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Originally Posted by mischievious (Post 34755480)
I might have brought too many concepts to the table :D

If you take this to the nth level we could always follow Billy Connelly's suggestion to the overcrowding issue, involves eating people though.... :D

lol - yes - solves starvation and the overcrowding!!!! nice plan, Billy!!!

Hugh 17-03-2009 22:00

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Is it me, or has their been an influx of Highlanders to the forum lately?


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/03/57.jpg

idi banashapan 17-03-2009 22:16

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34755494)
Is it me, or has their been an influx of Highlanders to the forum lately?


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/03/57.jpg

funny - my email to say you'd posted here told me you said something very different to that!

mischievious 17-03-2009 22:38

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Is there a subtle or not so subtle nuance I am missing? Why Highlanders....

idi banashapan 17-03-2009 22:51

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by mischievious (Post 34755517)
Is there a subtle or not so subtle nuance I am missing? Why Highlanders....

I was wondering that. if it was the billy connolly reference, well he's from Glasgow, so it can't be that. the only other thing is the whole "there can be only one", which would be either very flatering (I thank you), or very self obsorbed (modesty not a strong point). other than that, I'm stumped!!

Anonymouse 17-03-2009 23:48

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Hmm. Is there any possibility the mosquitoes will evolve a defence? Consider how insects evolve to combat insecticides: all it takes is a few of 'em to possess even partial resistance by nothing more than pure chance, i.e. a random mutation which happens to reduce or even inhibit the insecticide's effects. If these individuals survive long enough to breed, said mutation will be conserved and reinforced (because partly-resistant males will breed with partly-resistant females) as it is a favourable one; a few generations later you've got a population no longer affected by the insecticide. This has happened several times in the last few decades; insect populations evolve rapidly owing to short lifespans and prolific breeding - in a swarm of midges, for example, like those which form over Lake Victoria in Africa, there are more midges than there are people on Earth. In one swarm. So if any mozzies only get clipped by the beam and somehow survive, well...

Imagine it - armour-plated mozzies! Eep! :shocked:


mischievious 17-03-2009 23:59

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 34755571)
Hmm. Is there any possibility the mosquitoes will evolve a defence? Imagine that - armour-plated mozzies! Eep! :shocked:


Funny you should say, someone else mentioned it to me in a face to face.

We joked that it would be funny if the laser beam went off and a little blue protective shere became momentarily visible, the mozzie obviously remaind alive :D

mischievious 18-03-2009 09:17

Re: Star Wars scientists use laser gun to kill mosquitoes in fight against malaria
 
Since the humanitarian side is also very interesting, thought you might be interested in:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...an-relief.html


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