Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain
 

Ministers are examining whether to use powers to track the travel plans of everyone leaving the country under a system known as e-Borders to deal with the problem of unpaid fines.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html


is this taking things just a little to far ?

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Nope, do the crime, pay the fine.

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Going abroad is just a get out of jail free card for minor offences, why should people who have done wrong get away with it??

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So travelling from John O Groats to Land's End is OK, but Dover to Calais isn't? So much for freedom of movement within the EU.

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By going from Lands End to John O'Groats, you are not leaving the UK. When you go to Calais, you are.

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Have you read the article at all? If you have, you should not ask this question. Or maybe you have a bunch of unpaid tickets and prefer not to pay them?

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But going abroad is also a way of getting away from paying debts in general, so if you have an unpaid debt(eg mortgage) even with payments up to date, you will be stopped from leaving the country?

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But you are still within the EU. Travelling in the EU is guaranteed by the Maastricht Treaty.

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never had a parking fine also don't own a passport , not so elementary my dear holmes .
i have read the article and i am asking the question thats the point of the thread .

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Access to a country within the EU is guarenteed (though tell that to the newer EU members ;)), but not the ability to leave ones country of birth/residence/nationality...

As for the person who argued about unpaid debts that's not the issue here as it's not a criminal offence unless obtained by deception...The article explicitly says Fines or Consfication orders

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Any EU country has the right to deny citizens from other EU countries entry, as happened just a few weeks ago when Geert Wilders attempted to visit the UK, and was put on the next plane back to Holland. Also, when leaving the country, border officials can run your passport through the computer, and deny you the right to exit if you have any outstanding fines/are wanted for something.

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The countries in the EU, however, are still different countries.

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But that still doesn;t dispute the fact that a country still has an individual right to protect it's borders and that includes people leaving as well as people entering..

The EU rights do NOT superceed a countries rights...Otherwise we'd all be paid in Euro's atm ;)

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The answer is simple. You want free movement, either pay the fines you have acrued or appeal them and get them cancelled.

The Maastricht treaty does not, AFAIK, remove a country's right to stop people leaving the country if they want to. If it did allow total freedom throughout europe, as you are implying, we would not be allowed to imprison anyone.

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Football hooligans can be banned from travelling overseas. Gary Glitter can't travel overseas. People with unpaid fines can be stopped as well.

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If the debt has been subject to a CCJ then it would be enforceable, just as it would be a fine, I am sure that would be included as well. Not for criminals.

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But it's not really is it? Quite a sensational piece of headlining though. Motorists are not going to be banned from leaving Britain though are they. Criminals are.

Are we to believe by tour topic title that if the criminal tries to leave by air, they will not be stopped, or only if they take their car on the aeroplane? What if they don't own a car? Are they going to get past the border?

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For me - its not the whole "you have got unpaid fines, you can't leave britain" thing. Its where it will lead next. If things get any worse, then I will seriously consider leaving the country for good.

What ever happened to freedom? Notice it isn't a word thats thrown around much anymore! The government does not have the right to control a person's movements in my opinion or to track them if they aren't deemed a threat to National Security. Its a breach of privacy. Though I am aware it happens daily with the use of CCTV etc.

I know the USA is an awkward country to live in at times, but they have much more freedom than the UK does!

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I would have thought a fine was not a good enough reason to emigrate anyway? escaping a ling jail term I can understand doing a flit but fines?

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We are talking about people who have committed criminal offences without paying their due, not innocent motorists as the headline would suggest (I really do believe some people don't bother reading beyond the one inch letters). Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

Such as the almost certain removal of the right to file a writ for habeas corpus and the right no to be detained indefinitely without trial (and many more) you mean?

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[QUOTE=Flyboy;34755005]We are talking about people who have committed criminal offences without paying their due, not innocent motorists as the headline would suggest (I really do believe some people don't bother reading beyond the one inch letters). Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

The headline
"Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines "

the link again http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html

the headline does not mention innocent motorists,what were you saying about reading beyond the one inch letters ?

and do you really have to be on the attack all the time its getting tedious .

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Do you think detaining someone, potentially disrupting expensive business or family holiday plans, is a proportionate response to an unpaid parking ticket? :erm:

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Not to mention how much its going to cost the taxpayer to pay for detaining them.

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I don;t think a single unpaid ticket would trigger the system, I think they're looking more at the persistent offenders who have court orders for unpaid fines/tickets..etc... Mainly as a ticket is issued by a council so not really a detainable offence where a court fine/order is...

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I think a lot of people would pay up if given the choice bewteen pay and travel and don't pay and don't travel...

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Man, I still have to double-take when I see that Avatar :erm::D

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Yeah. I'll be changing it back shortly (I find it scary myself :erm:). I'll need to redo my last one as I binned it, but I haven't gotten round to it yet.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;34755017]i do agree, very tedious indeed.