Lord Ahmed jailed
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/7909510.stm

Does this mean he will lose his title?

Re: Lord Ahmed jailed
 

No! Tricky issue taking away titles.....

http://www.parliament.uk/faq/lords_members.cfm

I don't have any sympathy for him.

Re: Lord Ahmed jailed
 

I hope he doesn't lose his title. However I can't see why he has a supercushy light sentence of 12 weeks. Causing Death by Dangerous driving is a very serious offence and the norm is to be talking in years not months or in this case weeks. A sentance of 3 or 4 years and a driving ban for 5 years I think would be more appropriate.

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Specially when it involved a fatal crash - and he was texting on his cellphone at the time.
In fact 12 weeks sounds quite light.

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Actually IIRC the texting occurred some time before the fatal impact and wasn't therefore directly responsible. Hence the shorter sentence.

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It's bad enough though to use a cellphone whilst driving - when will people learn that you cannot possibly drive AND send a text message at the same time?

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The texting aside I still think it should be measured in years. Weeks is just justice Rhyll Cycling Disaster style.

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The sad irony is that had he not subsequently been involved in the fatal accident, his earlier use of the mobile phone whilst driving would never have been discovered.

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and don't forget out of the 12 weeks, there will be allowances for early release.

Mind you - it will make his travel to the US much more difficult now (having served a term of imprisonment means he can't enter on the visa waiver scheme any more).

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He'll serve 6 weeks apparently....

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It's funny you should say that as I think Lord Ahmed had enough problems on that front as it was. I seem to remember he got sent back to the UK as the authorities in the US weren't very nice to him. Unless my memory is imagining it completely.

Re: Lord Ahmed jailed
 

Single room with bath - open prison...

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Well he won't be taking his showers communally that's for sure....

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It happened in the UK - therefore it was a MOBILE phone ;)

Awesome - within 10 minutes of the story breaking there was a thread on Digital Spy saying he wouldn't have had the same sentence had he been white but the mods took it down :D

But seriously, he should have known better. The Sky website has a story of a paramedic who was photographed texting while he was driving his vehicle and even had a patient in the back at the time.

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He is a former magistrate and therefore i feel he fully deserves this sentence and it could be argued he deserved a harsher sentence. I hope this does send a message to those selfish motorists that do continue to use mobiles phones while driving i see them all the time where i live and that is across the road from a large school.

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yes I got annoyed about seeing a cellphone mentioned too ;) Not sure where Andy is from though so that could explain things.

It seems the police report has stated the texting didn't impact the crash but i'm not sure if that is true, even if it happened before the crash site he was obviously having a text conversation and so would have been waiting for a reply etc and so would have been distracted by that.

There was another one a few weeks back where a woman was texting and managed to get up to speeds of 70 mph and killed a woman who was changing a tyre of a parked car. The woman who killed her didn't think texting while driving was a problem but if you can get the car up to 70 and not notice then surely you aren't paying any attention.

If people got longer sentences for these then maybe drivers would be more aware of their surroundings

Jailed Peer Ahmed Freed Early From Prison
 

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Lab...15240245?f=rss

This is an absolute disgrace.
This idiot killed somebody.
He gets "2 WEEKS IN PRISON" for "KILLING" somebody?
What a disgrace this is.
Just because he is in a position of power in government, he gets let off?
I hope something is said about this.
Just plain wrong in my opinion.

Re: Jailed Peer Ahmed Freed Early From Prison
 

He went to Jail for Text Messaging and not the accident.

Re: Jailed Peer Ahmed Freed Early From Prison
 

So he "murders" somebody, and that's ok?

Re: Jailed Peer Ahmed Freed Early From Prison
 

He didn't murder anyone, he was involved in a accident. :rolleyes:

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Re: Jailed Peer Ahmed Freed Early From Prison
 

Sorry. but according to the BBC article in the orginal thread (which I have merged), the victim had crashed into the central reservation and had nearly been hit by two other motorists. I am not excusing Lord Ahmed's driving (far from it), but it was an accident that was caused by bad driving.

---------- Post added at 16:07 ---------- Previous post was at 16:06 ----------

We had one thread on his jailing already. His release is a continuation of that, so I don't see the point in two threads covering essentially the same subject.

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I dont know what the answer is here. I can't see prison making much of a difference and the bloke probably has loads of money so a fine wouldn't affect him.

Wouldn't community service have been a better use of his time?

Re: Lord Ahmed jailed
 

Most probably. As would be banned from driving for a while and requiring a new test when the ban is lifted. (I take that the latter did happen?)

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Frankly, I'm surprised his stay at Her Majesty's Pleasure lasted as long as it did.......... :mad:

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Proof indeed that there is one law for them and one for the rest of us

He was also banned from driving for a year and ordered to pay £500 prosecution costs.

Or will we hear that that has been quashed too

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This is why there is one law for Joe Bloggs and another the posh, who probabely put money into politcial parties, it stinks, and smells terrible.

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he was done for dangerous driving not causing death by dangerous driving so I think the sentence is ok

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i don't think he should have been imprisoned in the first place .

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We live in a demoracy so let him know what you think ...

HERE

Can't seem to find much evidence of the vast litany of 'community work' to date which he has been 'spared' to continue with

"Lord Ahmed's barrister, Jeremy Baker QC, had argued the jail sentence could "irreparably and permanently" damage Lord Ahmed's ability to carry out community work in the future. "

But from http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...erous_driving/

Mitigating factors
a good driving record;
the absence of previous convictions;
a timely plea of guilty;
genuine shock or remorse - in cases where death results (which may be greater if the victim is either a close relation or a friend);
the offender's age (but only in cases where lack of driving experience has contributed to the commission of the offence), and
the fact that the offender has also been seriously injured as a result of the accident caused by the dangerous driving

But no mention of 'doing lots of community work' ...


Also

"Sentencing Range: Non custodial options may be considered, but usually a custodial penalty is appropriate,"

Re: Lord Ahmed jailed
 

Well it appears that Lord 'of the finger' Ahmed is a reformed character now and wants to do all that community work his barrister banged on about at the appeal....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/7945711.stm

I wonder how long this new 'calling' will last... (pun intentional).. :rolleyes:

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In my service as a senior officer we HAD to have a driver as they had to drive safely to the incident without being concerned with looking at maps and and using the radio, hence a driver at all times.
When we arrived it was the drivers duty to monitor the radio and in the part of London I was stationed ,stop people nicking the kit off the machine !

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sorry osem,but the texting shouldnt take place at any time when you are in control of a car,also the sentence should have been in years.

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Sorry Tweetypie I'm no fan of Lord Ahmed and nowhere did I did I write or imply that texting behind the wheel is acceptable. I was merely pointing out the facts of the offence and the reason the sentence wasn't far longer than it was i.e. that the offence wasn't directly connected to the fatal accident which occurred some time later.

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Why??

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i think the said in this case that the texting didn't cause the crash as he was doing that several miles before, although surely he would have still been waiting for another reply or something and so more concerned about the phone than the road.

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Even if he had, the outcome would not have been any different, surely? Just as much as it would not have been any different if he hadn't. The collision was not caused by the lack of concentration, it was caused by the fact there was a stationary vehicle in lanes two and three of the motorway. Martyn Gombar died, because he returned to his crashed car, not because of any deliberate, or unintentional actions by Lord Ahmed.

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erm, perhaps he should have been looking at the road ahead? The M1, especially around J35/Rotherham, is not reknowned for it's blind bends.

Took my learner driver son round the Leeds ring road last week, and had to point out to him there was a car stationary a couple of hundred yards ahead on the inside lane, so he needed to move to the outside lane; I would have expected a driver of Lord Ahmed's experience to have appropriate situational awareness to me, not my son.

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Have you not read the report: It was at night, there were no street lights, the car was across two lanes, the lights were off, the car was a dark colour. Add all that to fact, it would be reasonable to assume that Lord Ahmed was not expecting to come across a stationary vehicle, it would have been like hitting an invisible wall. On your ring road, there were sodium street lamps and other vehicles headlamps, together with lighting from possible surrounding buildings, making it far easier to see. With the presumed speed of less than thirty miles per hour and the fact that it was not you that was driving, your sole responsibility would have been to observe the road ahead and expect hazzardous obstructions (it was a ring road after all), makes for a very different set of circumstances.