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chaos23 09-02-2009 20:24

Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
We must put an end to Blairs hopes of becoming the first EU President.

Sign the petition:

http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html

Here is the article where Sarkozy backs him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-win-post.html

Hugh 09-02-2009 20:30

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
May I ask which Government or Court has defined TB as a "war criminal"?

Damien 09-02-2009 20:39

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34730720)
May I ask which Government or Court has defined TB as a "war criminal"?

Hey Justice and innocent before proven guilty doesn't apply to people we don't like!

Arthurgray50@blu 09-02-2009 20:44

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
There is no way TB, is a war criminal.

papa smurf 09-02-2009 20:49

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
i found this on the net so it must be true

http://www.zpub.com/un/un-tb.html

Welshchris 09-02-2009 20:57

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34730741)
i found this on the net so it must be true

http://www.zpub.com/un/un-tb.html

LOL @ finding something on the net that HAS to be true.

Thats like reading the Sun and saying it has to be true lol

Chris 09-02-2009 20:59

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
If Europe wants him, Europe can have him.

Stuart 09-02-2009 21:02

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34730718)
We must put an end to Blairs hopes of becoming the first EU President.

Sign the petition:

http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html

Here is the article where Sarkozy backs him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-win-post.html


You have proof Bliar is a war criminal? Publishing statements like that could be libellous if you don't.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-02-2009 21:03

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There are lots of people that are guilty of war crimes, and TB isn't one of them, although, l cannot stand the man, he was a politican, and stood for what was right and defended the country and help other country, that were vulnerable,.

So sorry, l am not going to sign any petition.

zing_deleted 09-02-2009 22:36

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Well I have no doubt in my mind that both Tony Blair and "W" lied about weapons of mass destruction existing in Iraq to get support for the war. It should mean they are criminals but the chances of someone with kind of power will ever face the music just look at Nixon

chaos23 09-02-2009 22:37

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34730720)
May I ask which Government or Court has defined TB as a "war criminal"?

In my opinion.

Raistlin 09-02-2009 23:06

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
I've removed the suggestion that Tony Blair is or may be a 'war crminal' from the title of this thread. This change was made at the request of the OP, who has since stated that this was simply their opinion.

In order to protect Cable Forum from any potential legal ramifications that may arise from unsubstantiated allegations, can I respectfully request that from this point on we maintain a discussion concerning the suitability (or lack thereof) of Tony Blair for the position of EU President, and people's reactions to the petition that has been linked to.

Thanks :)

zing_deleted 09-02-2009 23:11

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I feel he is unsuitable for the role because I believe he lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which was the basis for a war where innocent people died so imo he should have been impeached at the very least imo

I believe to get around slander you only need to state you believe or maybe or allegedly just not be definate in your accusation

Raistlin 09-02-2009 23:12

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I think it's fairly obvious he's been lining himself up for this role for a number of years, and I wouldn't be overly surprised to see him get it.

zing_deleted 09-02-2009 23:15

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
still says it on half the posts Rob ;)

Raistlin 09-02-2009 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34730847)
still says it on half the posts Rob ;)

Does it?

:angel:


<Goes off to sulk.....>

:D

zing_deleted 09-02-2009 23:22

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Not now it doesnt ;)

broadbandking 09-02-2009 23:36

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
I am sick of him and cant believe he would be considered for any leadership role.

downquark1 10-02-2009 00:46

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
I think its a good idea to have a British PM head of the EU. In fact Blair may even be a moderating influence on the EU.

RizzyKing 10-02-2009 17:10

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Blair for EU president er no thank you we havn't long got rid of him and i really don't want to see him in another influential position. Apart from everything else oppose this because if tone gets it you just know GB is going to start getting ideas.

etccarmageddon 10-02-2009 17:45

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I think this was part of a secret deal when he stepped aside to let G.B. take over ruining sorry running the country.

RizzyKing 10-02-2009 17:57

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I just think we have to have the illusion of trust even if it never happens in real life and for that reason i could never support tony blair becoming president of the EU.

Horace 10-02-2009 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 34730883)
I think its a good idea to have a British PM head of the EU. In fact Blair may even be a moderating influence on the EU.

He's not a good choice and not for the lame reasons given in this thread. He carries too much baggage from the Bush-Blair era, we need to rebuild relations with the Middle-East, not remind them of our past mistakes. He was a great leader on many fronts, International relations not being one of them.

frogstamper 11-02-2009 00:32

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To be honest I couldn't care who is EU president, in my opinion who ever its going to be won't carry any real power, the post will be purely symbolic.
Whoever ends up with the post I'd like to bet the vast majority of Europe's citizens won't have heard of him/her, it'll probably end up being some faceless eurocrat. I imagine this conversation is going on in other EU countries where ex-leaders are trying for one last bite of the cherry.
There is probably a stop Gerhard Schroeder campaign in Germany, with the average German saying, "look what he done to our relationship with the US";)
And to all those worried that Tony coming back remember that the French and Germans inevitably do a deal which ends in the Brits being frozen out...so in finishing I'd say TBs chances of EU President are slim to bupkiss.:)

bopdude 11-02-2009 00:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34730753)
If Europe wants him, Europe can have him.

So you want him ? Last time I looked, we ( the UK ) were part of Europe :shrug:

LemonyBrainAid 11-02-2009 01:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 34731531)
So you want him ? Last time I looked, we ( the UK ) were part of Europe :shrug:

You obviously weren't sent the memo that the UK is relocating to Saturn!

TheDaddy 11-02-2009 07:00

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What makes him think Europe would want him, they all told him not to go to war for very obvious reasons, he ignored them and accused anyone opposing his actions of appeasement, that'll be the same Tony Blair that didn't bother to sign a 1987 motion to ban arms sales to Iraq.

Fact is it'd be great if he should decide to sue some one (not CF or anyone in particular) it'd probably be the only chance to actually get him in court to explain his actions, I can suggest a venue for the case to, somewhere in the Hague would be good, he might struggle to get representation though seeing as everyone from his wifes own firm to the Foreign offices top legal people told him that in their professional considered opinion the war was illegal.

ntluser 11-02-2009 07:48

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It would be nice to get an EU president who put the interests of the people before his own.

In my opinion, Tony Blair does not fall in that category.

We need someone with a Ralph Nader instinct for finding and getting rid of corruption and setting up good working practices.

Currently, like our Parliament, The EU Parliament is just a gravy train for good life hungry politicians.

Shame that we could not have had more MPs and MEPs like Martin Bell.

Perhaps Tony Blair might consider going for Pope instead, given his recent conversion.

Hugh 11-02-2009 08:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonyBrainAid (Post 34731536)
You obviously weren't sent the memo that the UK is relocating to Saturn!

Surely you mean Uranus? ;)



(someone had to say it..........)

Tezcatlipoca 01-07-2009 22:08

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
"Setback for Tony Blair's ambition to be president of Europe"

Sirius 01-07-2009 22:57

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34825817)

I just hope that lying cheating git does not get anywhere with it.

Osem 15-07-2009 20:16

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Well it looks like his nomination by HMG is a done deal...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8152099.stm

Let's hope others in Europe see sense and prevent this travesty.

Can anyone think of any bigger political leeches than the Kinnocks BTW?

ntluser 15-07-2009 20:30

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Tony Blair would not even figure on my list of candidates.

Funny how all his old cronies forget that it was his New Labour that caused the credit crunch crisis we are now in.

We need a politician who uses common sense and puts the people first and that is definitely not Tony Blair.

On the other hand, maybe Blair's potential appointment will motivate other politicians to get us out of the EU.

Osem 15-07-2009 21:09

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It says something about the widespread loathing of Bliar that, despite the obvious kudos and national pride there'd be to have a British EU president, most people here would clearly prefer that he didn't get the job.

ntluser 15-07-2009 21:19

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34834441)
It says something about the widespread loathing of Bliar that, despite the obvious kudos and national pride there'd be to have a British EU president, most people here would clearly prefer that he didn't get the job.

I think we'd all be pleased to have a British EU president so long as the president ran the EU well with integrity,honesty & transparency and wasn't Tony Blair.

Osem 15-07-2009 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34834450)
I think we'd all be pleased to have a British EU president so long as the president ran the EU well with integrity,honesty & transparency and wasn't Tony Blair.

Yes, "integrity, honesty and transparency" aren't terms you'd associate with New Labour are they.

RizzyKing 16-07-2009 00:41

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Another dirty little backroom deal coming to pass here i think and completely in line with what i expect from labour.

downquark1 17-07-2009 15:04

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1748275.html

Is it me or he's starting to look like emperor palpatine?

Earl of Bronze 17-07-2009 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 34835633)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1748275.html

Is it me or he's starting to look like emperor palpatine?

If ever there was an advertisement for the damage that can be done by overexposure to sunbeds, its that piccy of Tony the Clown.... :D

harrystone 17-07-2009 18:24

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Why not just let it be?

freezin 17-07-2009 19:00

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The post of EU president doesn't even exist until the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified by Ireland, so all the talk is a bit premature, and I'd still be amazed if Blair gets the job if it's ever vacant.

All this talk about personalities does mean that other important issues are pushed off the agenda. For example, the EU plans lots of new legislation in the Justice and Home affairs field. We know little of what is planned and this is one of the things the media should focus on.

ntluser 18-07-2009 13:37

Re: Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34835794)
The post of EU president doesn't even exist until the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified by Ireland, so all the talk is a bit premature, and I'd still be amazed if Blair gets the job if it's ever vacant.

All this talk about personalities does mean that other important issues are pushed off the agenda. For example, the EU plans lots of new legislation in the Justice and Home affairs field. We know little of what is planned and this is one of the things the media should focus on.

You may not have noticed but Ireland are doing something that France & the Netherland did not do..they are planning a second vote. In other words, those at the top of the EU gravy train are going to do any deal or any trick to ensure that it is ratified. Gordon Brown's trick is not to give us a referendum because it's apparent that a lot of people here would vote "No".

There are lots of issues but the first one is to remove a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people.

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

freezin 18-07-2009 14:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34836356)
You may not have noticed but Ireland are doing something that France & the Netherland did not do..they are planning a second vote. In other words, those at the top of the EU gravy train are going to do any deal or any trick to ensure that it is ratified. Gordon Brown's trick is not to give us a referendum because it's apparent that a lot of people here would vote "No".

There are lots of issues but the first one is to remove a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people.

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

I've certainly noticed the pressure on Ireland to vote yes, including that placed on them by their own politicians and the politicians of other states, including Gordon Brown. It reminds me of the pressure placed on Denmark when it voted against a previous treaty, and amongst those applying the pressure that time was our very own John Major. The contempt our political classes have for the will of the people beggars belief.

I'm all for removing "a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people" but replacing these with another government "that is more focused on their own interests ...." is no solution at all. I can't see how one that is obliged to follow policies covering every aspect of our lives and decided by majority voting in EU institutions and by the European Commission, instead of by the electorate, can possibly be anything else.

Like I said, justice and home affairs policy will be of major interest in the EU.

Quote:

At the meeting of the European Council on 5 November 2004, a five-year action plan for cooperation on judicial matters and home affairs was adopted. The plan, known as the Hague Programme, includes police and customs cooperation, rescue services, criminal and civil law cooperation, asylum, migration, visas and checks at external borders, etc. The first strategic action plan in the area of justice and home affairs was adopted in Tampere in 1999. The current plan, the Hague Programme, which was adopted in November 2004, expires in December 2009. Producing guidelines for future work in the form of a new action plan, the Stockholm Programme, will be a major and important negotiating task for the Swedish Presidency.

http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/11666/a/120682

This has even roused other Europeans to protest. The European Civil Liberties network says the EU has take a "dangerously authoritarian turn".

http://www.ecln.org/ECLN-statement-o...l-2009-eng.pdf

So get a government that follows our wishes? We've made it clear that we don't all have the same wishes, but I can't see one even coming close, certainly not from the Tories. They hate even talking about 'Europe'. We are truly in a post-democratic age.

But each to his or her own. :)

Peter_ 18-07-2009 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34836356)

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

Now that would be first and not in our or anyone elses lifetimes I think.:D

RizzyKing 18-07-2009 16:50

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If this vote fails again in Ireland there will be another and another and another until everyone gets so damn tired and just votes it in thats how the EU works. They don't care and never listen to what the citizens of europe want we have a bunch of has been politicians that want power again and know they won't get it in their own country. We would be a lot better off if we went into a free trade only agreement and dumped all this political joining together rubbish which is something that only those politicians and minority supporters of the EU want.


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