Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

Some of you probably know that I consider religions to be little more than fairy tales but this is ridiculous:link

Poor woman......:(

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'equality and diversity'

my heart sinks when I hear this twaddle these days. Leave your brains at the door when you enter this world.

I wonder if the outcome would have been the same if she had been non-Christian?

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Oh well someone in the careing community suspended for caring to much. Oh well maybe she will know better next time and just do her job and not care enough about patients to offer. This really is a cold shallow a wicked world we live in

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I don't know who's worse, the trust or the patient.

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You'd think she mght have learnt the first time 'round:

The sensible, non reactionist, thoughtful people, with common sense, and a little understanding of what it actually takes to be a decent human being, will realise that she wasn't trying to 'force her religion' upon anybody and that all she was doing was showing a personal concern for all aspects of the well being of her patients.

However.....

She was previously told that (for whatever reason) this wasn't acceptable, but she did it again.

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For the benefit of anybody failing to understand that last post, who may be about to try to put words in my mouth - I don't have a problem with her offering to pray for her patients, but she was told previously that she shouldn't and received a previous warning for it.

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Perhaps she assumed common sense would subsequently be applied?

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If their actions were totally wrong for a second "offence", then surely they were totally wrong for giving a warning after the first "offence".

So are people going to be sacked for saying such things as "Happy Christmas", "bless you"(after someone has sneezed), "thank god for that", "touch wood" and so on?

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Why should she assume that?

Common sense wasn't applied the first time someone complained and she received a warning. She was told at that time that if she did something similar again she would be the subject of disciplinary action.

Surely that should have been warning enough that she was working in an occupation where, or for an employer for whom, the preception of a 'professional' care service is more important than the carer's own personal need to go the extra mile.

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That's the way disciplinary procedures normally work though - you get a warning the first time, followed by action taken against you the second time.

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You'd think that after a few minutes conversation with a patient, you'd be able to gauge if such a comment would be appropriate... and then err on the side of caution. Regardless of your religios views, placebos have been shown to have powerful effects, so if a patient thinks it will help then why not? So long as they don't think it'll perform miracles...

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She should assume that because getting disciplined for offering to pray for someone is not common sense - it's a PC overreaction. The nurse was clearly demonstrating care - if the recipient does not have the same beliefs then no problem but the nurse clearly believes praying will aid the patient. No harm will come to anyone from her praying. Total overreaction and the trust ought to take a major U-turn over this.

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I don't think the patient complained, it sounds like they just called in because they weren't sure and the trust decided that it wasn't appropriate.

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Agree that it's an over reaction on the part of the Trust.

Agree that it's plainly barking mad.

However, she was told that she would be discisplined if she did it again, se did it again, she got disciplined. She should have know it was bound to happen.

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I think society wants us all to be robots. The way things are going any independant thought is going to have to be kept to ourselves in case someone takes offence and complains. In this instance for example a care worker may well lose her job because she cares to much. Who will take her place? possibly someone who does not give a toss.

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You're probably spot on zing.

A relative has been in hospital recently for fairly major surgery, the standard of care she received was disgusting and totally below what I'd expect any decent human being to find acceptable.

That just seems to be the way the world is going at the moment :(

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Do you really think this is the only time she'd have done it since the first time she was reported?

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No, but this is the only time that someone's called the Trust about it.

It's the age old thing Russ: break the rules if you must, but understand that if you get caught you'll pay the price. She knew what she was doing was against the rules set by her employers, she knew the consequences of her actions, she knew what would happen if someone caught her. Yet she did it any way.

I'm not saying the Trust are right, and that the nurse is wrong. Regardless of who we work for, what we do, or what our beliefs are, there are rules and terms/conditions that come with any employment. If you disagree with the rules you can either follow them to the letter anyway and everything's fine, find a new job where you don't disagree with the rules and everything's fine, or continue to break the rules for as long as you can get away with it and hope that everything's going to be fine.

If you choose the last option and get caught then you should be prepared for whatever action is taken against you.

I don't agree with all the rules where I work. I follow the majority of them to the later, and subtley bend those that I need to in order to get the job done - I know though that if I bend a rule and get caught (or if I bend a rule and something goes wrong) I'm going to have to face the penalties. That's the way life is.

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thats very sad. some organisations and companies will bend over backwards to accomodate staff religion but others are just to pc for there own good.

Well done to First Bus on respecting a persons religion as they had a driver who refused to drive a bus with an atheist poster on it, they did not discipline him they got him a different bus without the poster on it.

Its a sad reflection on times that somebody should be told off for praying and being caring.

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And hopefully the publicity will shame the trust in to changing their policy.

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I hope it does russ.

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Perhaps the trust have not heard of religious freedom?


What is Religious Freedom?

History has been marked by religious wars and conflicts, in the name of one set of beliefs or another, for centuries; people have been persecuted, hunted, tortured and killed as a result of their wish to believe what they want to. Now, as a civilised society, we have learned to accept that every person has a right to follow whichever path they choose without fear of reprisal.


This right was re-confirmed under Article 9 of The Human Rights Act 1998. This specifically states, ‘Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.’


The Act gives you the right to be protected from discrimination as a result of your chosen beliefs; whether you follow Christianity, Spiritualism, Judaism, Buddhism (to name a very few) or if you wish to follow the religion of the Ancient Eqyptians or Romans. It also gives you the tacit right to follow that religion in your public or private life and to teach others who may wish to know more. This is the very essence of religious freedom.

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Actually, I remember a study (that I can't bl**dy well find atm :mad: ) which demonstrated that those hospital patients who were prayed for (and knew they were being prayed for) were more likely to die....

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Now you mention it, I seem to remember that... but I can't remember whether it was statistically significant. Certainly red sugar pills are more powerful painkillers than blue ones, and doubling the dose increases effectiveness ;)

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statiistics can be used to prove anything. 76% of people know that ;)

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Especially if conducted by a staunch and militant atheist ;)

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And 92.735% of statistics are made up on the spot.... :D

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Bah, you all know what I meant :p:

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if your laid up in Hospital and one of the nurses offers to prey for you ,you just might get the idea that they've run out of ideas to help you ,and are abandoning science /medicine ..

if it was me i would not be offended, it makes no difference to me[as a non believer] but sometimes it can help the person doing the preying ,its there way of getting thru the bad times ..

suspending her is a little to knee jerk - there's a lot more believers out there than non believers ,and as long as its not thrust upon you as your only option you cant really blame her for asking.

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We're not religious at all and sadly our youngest has been in hospital many times. If at any time a nurse had offered to pray for him we might have been surprised but we certainly wouldn't have been offended. Anyone offering spiritual support at a time of such trauma is merely expressing their caring in another manner. What on earth is wrong with that?? :confused:
Anyone offended at such action really ought to look at themselves and examine their own intolerance.....

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Exactly! Yet another example of pc gone mad?

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Whilst I admire and share your viewpoint, others may feel differently - they may be angry with the world and their (please fill in deity/prophet of choice), and may in fact blaming their (as above), so get upset if someone makes this kind of offer. And has been stated before and in the link, the nurse had been requested (firmly) not to do this sort of thing again.

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If their doctor suggests their illness is so severe that he needs to get the opinion of a more senior physician, is it not possible the patient might feel equally angry with the level of their care, blaming them for the added suffering?

Seriously, if someone is going to be offended by such an offer then they clearly want to be offended.

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Complete and utter madness.

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If folks want to be prayed for they will ask for it by requesting the presence of a Priest.

Simple!

Nurses should stick to nursing.

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Leaving aside the fact that prayer can be led by anyone, what if a priest was not available? And the nurse wasn't suggesting she'd pray for the patient in her presence.

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Russ, you are (imho) comparing apples with cucumbers - it is a common accepted practice that doctors often ask for second opinions from senior, more experienced colleagues, so as to check their diagnosis; what has that got to do with a nurse who did something that she had previously been asked not to do? :confused:

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And you are assuming someone would blame their deity for such an illness. There are certain times when common sense has to be applied to 'rules'.

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Because the trust has given no legitimate reason for the nurse not to offer to pray for the patient in her own time. Disciplining someone for such a reason is completely pointless and smacks too much of political correctness.

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Link

"The woman patient, who is believed to be in her late 70s, is understood to have complained to the trust....

.....In the report today a spokesman for North Somerset Primary Care Trust said: "Caroline Petrie has been suspended pending an investigation into the matter.
"She is a bank nurse and she has been told we will not be using her in this capacity until the outcome of our investigation is known.We always take any concerns raised by our patients most seriously and conscientiously investigate any matter of this nature brought to our attention.
We are always keen to be respectful of our patients' views and sensitivity as well as those of our staff"".

And here is a fuller item, with some history, from a Bradford paperLink

"Mrs Petrie had previously been reprimanded for an incident in Clevedon last October when she offered to give a small, home-made prayer card to an elderly, male patient, who had happily accepted it.

On this occasion, the patient's carer, who was with him, raised concerns over the incident.

Alison Withers, Mrs Petrie's boss at the time, wrote to her at the end of November saying: "As a nurse you are required to uphold the reputation of your profession.

"Your NMC [Nursing Midwifery Council] code states that 'you must demonstrate a personal and professional commitment to equality and diversity' and 'you must not use your professional status to promote causes that are not related to health'."

In the letter, Mrs Petrie, who qualified as a nurse in 1985, was asked to attend an equality and diversity course and warned: "If there is any further similar incident it may be treated as potential misconduct and the formal disciplinary procedure could be instigated."

Mrs Petrie said: "I stopped handing out prayer cards after that but I found it more and more difficult [not to offer them]. My concern is for the person as a whole, not just their health.

"I was told not to force my faith on anyone but I could respond if patients themselves brought up the subject [of religion]."

It is the second incident – the offer to pray for a patient – that led to the disciplinary action. She was suspended from her part-time job, without pay, on December 17.

She faced an internal disciplinary meeting last Wednesday and expects to learn the outcome this week.

At last week's hour-long meeting, Mrs Petrie says she was told the patient had said she was not offended by the prayer offer but the woman argued that someone else might have been."

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Common sense? She clearly did something that caused the patient offence. Whether that was the praying or not, I don't know. If she hadn't caused the patient offence, I doubt the patient would have called, and the trust would not have known anything.

Even if the praying was the cause, then the patient could have been an athiest or from another religion (in which case praying to a Christian God could have been massively offensive).

It also said that she had been asked not to do this before, At the very least, she was ignoring what her boss said.

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Thank you. Even more reason for them to do away with such pointless 'rules'. I am assuming she will be reinstated and the trust will allow more room for discretion in future. It's not as if she was forcing her faith on anyone. And in the first case, how public spirited of his carer to report her :rolleyes:

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Yes, common sense. She did not say she was GOING to pray her her, she asked the patient if she could, at which time the response if in the negative, could have been 'no thanks'. It could have ended there. How anyone could be offended at that is beyond me.

I have nothing but distain for Scientology but if one of their lot offered to pray for me (or whatever it is they do) I'd make my feelings clear on the matter and leave it there.

Seems to me like some people are having just too much fun complaining over such trivial matters.

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What next, a scouse patient getting offended over a nurse asking if they want to watch a Man United game?

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Absolutely, we clearly have loads of trained, experienced nurses to be prepared to lose one over this.

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What she did in disobeying her superiors probably wasn't well advised but that's another issue and nothing to do with the point I was making. I fail to see how anyone (be they Christian, Moslem, Jewish or whatever) could offend someone by showing how much they care. Had this nurse tried to convert or coerce the patient into changing their own religious views that would be a very different matter for a different time and place. However as I see it a religious nurse simply offered to do something she believed would help and/or bring some comfort - syurely all the patient had to do was say 'no thank you'.

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Trouble is most of them are in N. America and the southern hemisphere eh.

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It would be nice to think that was possible, and that some common sense could actually emerge from all of this.

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What next, a scouse patient getting offended over a nurse asking if they want to watch a Man United game?
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now this thread just got offensive!! :D

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That's outrageous.

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This is the stupid way this world is going, l will say one thing, the people who are taking action against the nurse are nothing but A++++++++, if a nurse is giving extra care to a patient, that is up to her, good on her.

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Even if the patient didn't want it? :confused:

It reminds me of the old saying about love (the romantic kind) -

"You cannot give your love to someone, only they can choose to accept it; and if they don't want to accept it, it's wasn't yours to give in the first place"

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And the best way to find out if they want it or not is to ask....

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Yes, especially when she had been told before not to.......;)

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I'm now going to pray for peace and harmony to break out in this thread. Anyone who has a problem with this may click the report post button. :angel: :D

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You are the bringer of joy and felicitations.:)

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Like it's the only time she's done it since then :angel:

Atheistist!

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IMO and 10 years NHS experience, this sounds like many of the numerous and ridiculous disciplinaries in order to get someone out, probably her face doesn't fit.

I see patients on a daily basis and i would definitely err on the side of caution in this situation. I'm completely non-religious i do have some opinions regarding certain religions, but this is something i'd discuss down the pub with my mates. Never with a patient for that reason.

A colleague of mine was reprimanded once for advising someone she was counselling to find work, as he was complaining of boredom watching TV all day long. His reply was 'Do I look like a mug?' and then he complained about her. She was told to keep her opinions to herself or lose her job, which is what we all do now. We make no assumptions and do our jobs like lemmings - the great old NHS ;)

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What would be more offensive?

Being asked if you wanted to be prayed for

Or being prayed for without being asked, assuming you discovered somehow and considered it inappropriate?

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She has a history of pushing her faith on others, which is probably why she asked (to bring the subject up), rather than just quietly getting on with it without anyone knowing.

Over xmas, I was asked by my neighbour if I'd like to go to church with her. I'd rather she hadn't.
Why?
It puts non-xians in an awkward position because while it is normally the case that declining such an offer and exposing a lack of religion has no negative ramifications, it is often the case that it results in offence. To some it's ok to express their religion (because it's the "true" one) but not ok for others to express different beliefs.
Just look at the death threats David Attenborough has recieved simply for not crediting the xian god in his nature programs.

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It depends. If that person was the type who was looking to be offended then I'm sure the the latter would be worse. However I'm equally sure that the vast majority of people wouldn't give it more than a moments' thought. Certainly not enough to put a good, hard working nurse's job in trouble.

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I so had the urge to click 'report post' on Chris. or go to the PCT this nurse works for and sing in reception a little Take That.... "all I do each night is pray..."

I think the nurse was daft after being told it wasn't appropriate the first time round but suspension is a major over reaction. she should have been sent on a "equality, diversity and act like a robot" course.

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She was sent on equality & diversity course for her first 'offence' :rolleyes:

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When I worked for BT part of my training was diversity and we covered topics such as sexuality, gender, cultures and religions - but nowhere was atheism mentioned. Kind of gives the impression these courses are for PR reasons only than serving any real purpose.

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Are you really saying that people can only get offended if they actually want to be offended?
If a homosexual takes offence at being called a "poofta" then it's their own fault for deliberately getting offended?

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Are you really following your usual tactic of taking what I say out of context?

None but very few individuals would take offence at someone asking if they want to be prayed for (I have a suspicion you'd know exactly how they'd feel). Asking them if they fancy joining the faith, yes I can understand someone being unhappy at that. But being prayed for, in the person's free time, I'm sure it's just the petty who would want to make any sort of complaint.

It's worth pointing out that the patient in this case was not offended and neither did she complain.

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So now you're saying it's petty to be offended by someone putting you in an awkward position by pushing their faith on you uninvited.
Lovely Russ.
As I said, thankfully there are many people out there who, while holding their own beliefs, don't get offended by others showing theirs, but there are a few, who don't seem capable of accepting that others don't share their belief that they are following the one true path, and react in a negative manner. They may express it in subtle ways, not being as caring, or they may be blatant and start insulting people because of their differing beliefs, calling them all sorts of names in an attempt to belittle them.
Put yourself in the patients' shoes for a moment.
Having had negative reactions from people of faith by declining attempts to be included in that faith, the person who I'd be relying on to look out for me then puts me in a situation where I have to decide how to answer that I'm not interested without risking a reduction in that care.
As a vulnerable elderly person, I'd rather not be put in that position thank you very much.
Had you not considered that?

Do you really consider it so unreasonable a request to have her keep her beliefs private?

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Wouldn't normally speak for someone else, but I'm here and I've got the few seconds that it's going to take to compose the only honest reply I could possibly give to your post.

Having read, re-read, and then read again, Russ' post, at no time does he say that. What he appears to me to be saying is that there are certain people who seem to find offence at everything, and who seem to want to over analyse things (possibly even seeing things that aren't there). These people are (obviously) more easily offended, and offended by many (many) things that wouldn't offend more sensible (less reactionary, critical, seemingly hard done by) individuals.

Your example of a homosexual being called a 'poofta' is so far removed from the actual subject being discussed here that it's not even relevant, and therefore barely worthy of comment. Suffice to say though, common sense suggests that calling someone a 'poofta' is quite obviously designed to offend/insult and that the person being labelled as such would therefore have every right to complaint.

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Ah, Russ beat me to it :D

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Does that actually negate the offence they have felt?
If someone is sensitive to certain things, should they be ignored if they take offence?
"Oh it's ok, he's just sensitive, ignore him, it doesn't matter we've offended him"

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(sigh)

No, she was not pushing her faith on anyone. By all accounts she's a good nurse who has always shown utmost care for her patients. Never has she put anyone's health at risk or made their condition worse. Nowhere has it been suggested that the patient was put in an awkward position. If she wasn't offended, and neither was the person she originally was reported for mentioning it to, see a pattern forming here?

If only it was as black-and-white as you wish it was hey?

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Wow, you really are reading a different set of posts to me..... :erm:


Would these be the slippers that she was wearing at the precise point that she wasn't offended by being asked if she wanted the nurse to pray for her, or the loafers that she slipped on shortly before the Trust decided to be offended on her behalf?

I didn't see the report where anybody suggested she was providing lower standards of care to those that she wasn't allowed to pray for.

Any chance of a link?

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back to the usual religious rhetoric either pro or con yet again. Everytime one of these threads are posted it turns into a religious arguement that just reminds me of a playground squabble. Honestly the only way not to become a bigot is to accept other peoples beliefs

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What if a Satanist nurse offered a prayer for a patient. Would that be acceptable?

Just a thought.

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What offence? The lady in question never said she was offended.....

No, but sometimes it's necessary to look beyond the intial hue and cry and decide whether these are the actions of someone who has been offended, or the actions of someone that has chosen to be offended.

Life isn't as straight forward as you seem to think it is. If you spend your whole time reacting to every person who claims to be a victim, and chasing after every person that's accused of causing offence, you'll quite often miss the quiet person sat in the corner that really needs your help.

It's all about dealing with reality, and allowing yourself the opportunity to discover the truth.

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Welcome to my world ;)

:clap:

You might be waiting a long time....

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It's apparently not acceptable for any nurse to offer to pray for someone - I guess therefore that the answer to that question is no.

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If you were reading my posts, you'll have noticed I said "patients'" as in belonging to many.
The trust recieved the report from a patient because they were worried enough that any of the other patients could take offence at her pushing her beliefs on them.

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Sorry Russ, perhaps you can show me where the patient who reported her to the trust actually invited her to pray for them?

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You weren't talking about her when you said:
were you? Which is what I responded to.
Really, can you try and pay a little more attention please?

I'll ask again, if someone is offended, but you believe they've "chosen" to be offended, are they faking their feeling of offence or do they actually feel offended? Should you ignore their feelings simply because you believe they've chosen to feel that way?

Sounds like you're the one trying to portray things as striaght forward: Investigate offences/reduce the risk of offence = missing someone who really needs help. Nice little equation you've invented there Rob.

Indeed. If they truly believe in the power of prayer, then the target need not know they are in someone's prayers.

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As with all religion, problems only flare up when its pushed on someone. Had this nurse simply got on with the job, there would be no problem. But she didn't. She brought her religion into her work.

If people kept their religions to them selfs, these problems wouldn't exist.

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So, guilty as charged. Next case!

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I think the issue here is she was told not to do something as it was against policy but she decided to ignore the boss. so hard luck really she had her warning. obviously suspension is OTT but then perhaps we dont know the full story - she might be a right obnoxious cow who is forever not doing as told? or she might be an angel.

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lmao.:D

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that actually sounds logical but I think the thing about religions/beliefs is some people like to inpart/share it with others. some even knock on my front door trying to talk to be about it.

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What do you do about religions whose followers are expected not to keep it to themselves?

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Warn them that they shouldn't do it again? ;)

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OK so you mean 'in your opinion'?

(sigh)

Pushing it on her would have been her asking if the patient would like to pray with her. As an example if I said "For God's sake Xaccers your anti-religious tripe annoys the brown stuff out of me" am I pushing God on you then?

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i can get the last sentence down to two words :p:

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I am a Hindu and I am a nurse. Can I bring a Holy Cow to the hospital to bless the patients? I really, really care for them.

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No animals allowed as its a health risk you should know that. Last time I looked praying for someone did not carry risk of cross infection. Take it you leave your religion at the door then and wear no religious garb of any kind?

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Cows or patients?

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Quite right, some people do. Those who choose to troll the streets on Sunday, knocking on doors & trying to "sell" their religion, must either be highly paid, or desperately wanting to pass on their beliefs to others.

When I`m disturbed from my Sunday lunch, & pestered by these believers, peddling their beliefs, I simply ask them not to bother me, & keep their religion to themselves.


Chris:

Those who choose to ignore my wishes & continue with their conversion speech, get a good assortment of Salford dialect, mixed with barrack room language. Followed by the threat of a boot in the rectum.

I don`t pester others with my beliefs. I dont expect others to pester me.
Not very Christian, but I`m a Atheist.

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The nurse wasn't pestering anyone though.

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I was agreeing with etccars post m8. The nurse did bring religion into her conversation. Some may regard that as pestering. It depends on your point of view.

I respect peoples views & beliefs Russ, as long as they dont bother me with them. Its simple realy.

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

In your opinion.

The complainant/patient thought otherwise, otherwise why did she complain to the trust?

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

When will you lot get it in to your heads that nobody complained!!!!

Sorry for sounding bullish but it really looks like some people are trying to create a situation that does not exist.

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

Erm (and I didn't put exclamation marks or Bold accentuation ;))

Christian Today
Mrs Petrie, 45, was suspended without pay on 17 December following a complaint from the patient to the North Somerset Primary Care Trust

BBC
The patient complained to the health trust about Mrs Petrie who follows the Baptist faith

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

The beeb reported this afternoon that she did not complain, she notified the trust of her concerns but it was treated as a complaint by the trust - Sky News echoed this.

She made no complaint however she felt that the nurse might be at risk of offending someone else - Sky followed it up by interviewing one of her colleagues who made the noteable point that if that was likely then you have to ask why nobody had reported any offence before.

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

Someone did - which was why she had a previous warning.

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

Yes, it was the carer of the person who she asked about praying for. A bit like when a straight person decides that someone has been homophobic. I'm sure he/she feels very proud of doing their public duty and getting an otherwise hard-working nurse in to trouble.

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Good grief! I'd be totally unconcerned by such an offer and the only thing I'd be complaining about would be if the medical care I received was poor or inefficient..

Seems to me people just can't stop making issues of things that they could just ignore.Why get offended on someone else's behalf if you aren't offended yourself?

Utterly crazy.Complaining for complaining sake if you ask me.Now the stupid woman has lost this nurse her job.I hope she can sleep at night.:mad:

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

has she lost her job ? I thought she was suspended?

and she was warned not to do it prior to her suspension so she defied a management policy - what did she expect?

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

cant see she can loose her job if it goes to court or industrial tribunal

court / tribunal has to take into account the human rights act and the right to freedom of religion and expression of it

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

For common sense to be applied instead of the usual PC 'diversity' stuff?

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Even if this means ...

... to "cleanse"?

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...ood-Ritual.php

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

What about the patients rights, or doesn't she have any?

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

Come on folks why not answer my question...

Why get offended on someone else's behalf if you aren't offended yourself?

Re: Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery
 

This instance seems a bit petty. It doesn't appear the nurse was a religious freak, or that the patient was offended.

Maggy, there could be instances where you would be offended & the person it was aimed at, wouldn't. However, I reckon if it doesn't bother you, why get involved!