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Why, what's it doing?

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No need,

As far as I know my job was not advertised, and there hasn't been a competitive tendering process, which hasn't been won legitimately by an Italian contractor.

But as soon as it is, I'll let you know.

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Nor mine. I'm at a loss to understand what the Unions are agitating for here. They say they want the right to have the opportunity to work. They do have that right. And the employer also has the right not to give that work to a group of people it believes to be less competitive.

Our Trades Unions also tend to be pro-Europe, pro-Euro and basically pro-anything that comes out of Brussels and is a perceived advantage to their cause (such as the working time directive). But when Europe turns round and bites them on the bum, they're the first to start moaning. I presume they understand that barring Italians from taking contracts in the UK would require the UK to derogate from huge chunks of its commitment to the EU?

In any case, isn't a lot of what's going on today perilously close to secondary action, which is illegal?

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I agree with Chris here, it's a free market and the employer can chose who they give their business too. You can't protest your way into a job, especially not one from a private company

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I've been listening to some of the coverage of this dispute on the radio and think that if the companies concerned are deliberately using foreign labour when there are local people just as (if not better) able to do the work then it's quite unfair. It's probably all down to saving money however.

I wonder how the BBC's journalists would respond if their employers decided to save the licence payer some cash by bringing in cheaper EU staff...

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People might (rightly IMO) feel there's a moral duty to see jobs go to UK companies first but it seems like others need to realise that tendering jobs is (and has been for many years) a tried and tested method for business growth and also 100% legal.

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Isn't this what free market economics within the ECC is about? :confused:

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I suppose we are striving to become more European, and we've started by thinking that we're French.

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I guess that depends on whether you live/work in a country which abides by EU rules or just ignores them.

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Hey i am all for free market as longs as it applies in every area but as it doesn't for us in the UK jobs in british facilities should go to british workers and we do of course have our valiant pm who feels the same way as he said. I have a lot of sympathy with good men that simply want to work and have a job although i might disagree with they way they try and do it. I am completely biased against unions so wouldn't be fair to comment on their involvement in this but as usual i suspect it more a case of projecting power on their behalf more then doing whats right for the men and women in this case.

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It's a private company so it's their decision. What do they want to happen, the Government to force them to use British labour? It's protectionism and it's does not work.

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we are in a economic depression it is time to close ranks and look after ourselves first. if the plant was located in france/italy then im opinion the contract would have been awarded to the local workforce.

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I'm sure a bit of protectionism at times like this isn't going to bring down the world and a lot of countries are talking in terms of protectionism so why not us.

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For several reasons, two immediately spring to mind:

1. Because it can turn round and bite you on the bum. If you slap trade tariffs on imports from a certain country, then you can expect retaliatory tariffs on your exports to that country.
2. Because within the EU it's illegal. People often complain that they voted for the Common Market, not the wide-ranging European Union we now have. If that's the case, then surely the one thing all but the most hardened Euro-separatists must agree on is that the principles of a common market should be upheld in bad times as well as good?

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Well, No. This kind of 'Country First' attitude scares away foreign investors. If you impose resolutions on business then they simply will not come here, they won't create jobs.

You can't be bullish and force companies to bend to your will, British ones may be able to be forced to use British labour but at the expense of a lot of other investment and jobs. Also, They won't be able to compete with companies based in countries which do allow them to cut costs and hence won't grow. Again, less jobs.

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I like many many other people in this country have never had any vote on the EU or how little or much we want to be involved in it and those who did have a vote in the seventies didn't realise they were voting for what we have now. There used to be an attitude of "when times are hard look after your own" seems reasonable to me and lets be honest other countries have that attitude so why is it so bad for us to have it. I am not saying we should impose trade tariffs or anything like that i am saying that if a company is in the UK making profit it isn't that much to ask them to prioritise british labour with a bit of preferantial treatment when times are hard. Why is it so bad to look after your own rather then keep playing by the rules all the time.

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Because we are not talking about Friends, Families, Governments, or even small Family firms. Now, you can send them a message that you won't use companies that, in your view, do not give adequate priority to British workers but the government cannot, and should not, enforce such a measure.

It would be detrimental to the British economy in the long run, it would deter foreign companies and limit the opportunity for British companies to expand and compete with other international firms which do not have the same limitations.

Look at France if you need an example that Protectionism just don't not work.

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i agree -these jobs are important to the Grimsby area so why not look after our own interests first.. the italian workers are even housed in a floating hotel in the dock [so not even contributing to the local hotels /bed n breakfast industry,]
and i also believe the italian company will on no account employ any one local
even for labouring jobs , this is viewed as the thin end of the wedge around here ,they're not welcome and locals wont work along side them.

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This is what I was trying to say earlier. There's much about the modern EU that people didn't vote for, but the one thing they *did* vote for was a Common Market. The free movement of goods and services (including labour) between member states is a very long-standing aim of the EU, hence the old name Common Market.

Nobody who voted 'yes' in the referendums can say they didn't vote for this.

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As Total is a French company, perhaps they should only employ French workers?

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if they take the plant to France then its an option ,but i would not recommend sending a French workforce here .

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No, they might teach our unions a thing or two, and then we'd really be in trouble.

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I am half-french. Maybe I could get a part time job! Or just do it really badly. :D

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Or just be really, really good at going on strike? :D

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I am going to join this argument, and no one will like it, l strongly support these guys for what they are doing, As our so called PM, is doing nothing to stop it, which is typical, he is giving his usual B+++++++, What we have is British workers, protecting there jobs, and families. We have foriegn companies bringing in foriegn workers, l have said on another thread, that there is decent guys in this country, who can do the same work, and also to the high standard, and also to health standards at work.

We already have a power station in Kent, being built by POLISH workers, l support the strikers, very strongly - stand up for your rights and your British jobs.

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well said arthur we need to protect our own jobs and families -British jobs for British workers--

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It's not like Total (a foreign company, btw) only employs foreign workers though - is this not just one contract, which after a proper tender went out to the most competitive bidder... which happened to be a contractor using workers from mainland Europe.

Should they go with British bids instead, even if they're not as good for Total's business in some way? [a French business operating in the UK which still employs Brits and which still contributes to the British economy]

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I work on a plant a few doors down from LOR and even our operators are joining in the protest as we all think 'will it be us next time?' and for all you politicly correct people lets just see how you, your wife, your kids feel when the mortgage is due and some other worker who contributes bugger all to the economy is doing the job you are highly skilled to do.

There are times to take the high ground and be all smug and loving everyone equally, now is not one of those times, we need British tradesmen doing British jobs.

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all very noble and fair -until its your job gone or the chance of a job gone

i think our local workers have sent a clear message to europe and it ends in off

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There will be less jobs, not more, if we shun Europe.

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1930s and National Socialism/Oswald Mosley, etc anyone? That's what happened last time protectionism raised its head, after the 'Great Depression'.

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Is that message aimed at Europe in general, or just certain aspects of EU membership? Or all aspects of EU membership?

Or perhaps we should tell Total (& all the other European, & American, & Asian, etc.) companies operating in the UK to "ends in off" & let them go home & give jobs to their own people? With all these strikes in France, maybe a French company should be giving jobs only to the French...



If we force companies to employ only British workers, how does that work? Do we just ignore EU rules? Do we pull out of the EU completely? Do we allow some EU workers here, but only in certain industries or areas? Do we force companies to accept bids which are less competitive than ones they would have otherwise accepted, which may then affect the business, & maybe then make them think "we should 'ends in off' out of here before it costs us even more"?

How would we do it?

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It could be argued that the economic troubles in the 1970's in this country were caused by protectionism to. With the only thing saving us being North Sea gas coming on stream.

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To be honest, I think people are just preconditioned to blame problems on an external source. In this case other countries. I am not sure if any of the people who suggest these companies should go elsewhere actually have much of an idea of what that would entail.

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Lol at the people who thinks lowest contacts wins (tenders should be scraped look at the nhs coulds add more)

british jobs for british workers

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It was shown earlier this week, a photo in the national press, where THREE foriegn workers going into work, sticking there fingers up at us, now if this is not stirring up trouble, l don't know what it.

And the main problem is, that major companies are, and still will use agency workers, as they know that, the worker who will turn up will be foriegn, and these people know, that they can get rid of them quite easily, as they know there is someone who will fill that place, Major companies in the UK, will carry on doing this, as they know that the so called PM, won't stop it.

The PM made a statement quite recently, BRITISH JOBS, NEED BRITISH WORKERS, but will that happen NO, as he won't want to upset these companies, what we need to do, is the next by election, choose a new MP, that is NOT Labour, Labour used to be a party for the workers of this country, and yet look where it has got us.

I have a sneeky feeling, that within the next couple of weeks, all the unions in this country, will say enough, is enough, and call on the country to march onto London, and there will be a total closure to show that we need to stick up for our man or woman, - l think l will stand as a MP, who will support me, l will get this country running again.

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Do you have a link to the photo? Who/what were they sticking their fingers up at? Us, or the tabloid photographer?


Do you think the Tories would be a party for the workers of this country?

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labour is a joke if your white male dont go for promotion!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/16/race.gender

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The tendering process is essential. What is often the problem is that the tender isn't specific enough. This allows bidders to place bids on a different basis.

It is very easy to place binding, and legal, terms in a contract. The present dispute wouldn't be happening if the original tender was correctly worded.

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must have been the photographer :erm:

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Hi MattD, unfortunately, l don't have a link, but it has been on national Tv and in the press, not unless, someone else knows about it, But all my info comes from the media.:)

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[Hi Xan, NO the Tories support only one group and that is the rich, and that includes all the major companies, they won't give a damn about the British worker, as long as they work there nuts off, to fill there pockets.:mad: I should be a politican:)

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highlight(contract) a main tender olympic games what happened?we need another 12 bil

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tenders = the one that bids the less wins = cheapest workers = who cares i'm in a **** job

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never said i supported the torrries?did i

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My point exactly. You can include in the tendering process, both the minimum wage to be paid and absolute adherence to all existing employment and trade union agreements.

It is the tendering process that is at fault if this can be bypassed.

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minimum wage is a joke topped up by the tax payer? meaning i pay for that contarct in a way(tax credits)

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I have a lot of respect for these guys - they are SCARED - they're seeing jobs being slaughtered in the car industry etc and they obviously want to fight for themselves.

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A tender contract can define any minimum wage or any existing trade rate.. not the hysterically pathetic minimum wage as defined by HMG. ;)

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Now come on Matt, you can't go asking reasonable questions like that. Why can't you just wave a placard and shout mindless jingoistic slogans?

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Believe it or not, so do I. But I'm angry at their leaders, who are fully aware of the legal situation. There is absolutely no hope in hell of these poor blokes who are standing outside power stations and refineries of getting what they're after here. They have been sold a lie and are being used as pawns in someone else's grand political game.

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It's not about protectionism it's about doing what's right for the workforce, here we have a sub contractor abusing people for profit, it's alright them saying they will be paid more than their British counterparts, well why hire them then? The boat and shipping them over can't come cheap, especially when they have perfectly able bodied workers outside with placards, perhaps the rumours are true about a lot of them not being properly trained and failing drink and drugs test aren't without foundation.

Tbh nothing shocks me with Total, they are a company I have had nothing to do with for a long time, their activities in Burma have aided the Junta's genocide against the Karen people and should have lead to a mass boycott of their products long ago.

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But the bottom line Daddy is this: They have done nothing illegal. On the other hand if the Government were to accede to the protesters' damands and legislate to give British workers primacy in the British labour market, we as a country would be in violation of a number of very large and significant treaties we have signed with other European nations.

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It would, in my opinion, be far better to engage the question of why can't we compete equally in a tender against a company such as IREM?

Their advantage was, apparently, a directly employed workforce with the necessary skills for the job - according to this statement by LOR

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/news/...l/article.html


The bigger problem is the 'saleability' of the UK workforce, which is relative to a long standing shortfall in training, in my opinion - knee jerking a response to one construction project won't solve that?

We need to get a properly resourced strategy in place to provide the opportunity for our young people to acquire skills that will be properly competitive with other EU countries, not just whinge when we get beaten ....

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Well the legality of their actions will become clear when it comes out what their terms and conditions are and how qualified they are to do the job and what is illegal is for local workers to be excluded from being considered for vacancies, which has almost certainly happened here.

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Here it is, 2nd or 3rd pic down

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this area is starved of good jobs ,its not easy getting a place at the refinery ,we have seen the total decline of the fishing industry
the decline in the food factories
tioxide to be shut
cars piling up on the dock side that no one wants
transport firms gone
ship repair industry gone

at what point do we say enough is enough these workers are stealing the bread off our tables /the clothes off our kids backs. and if your happy with that then give your job or prospect of one to one of your European friends ,i'm sure the banks will be sympathetic when your on bended knees pleading for a little more time to save your lifestyle, its all very well preaching from your lofty perch on the moral high ground about right and wrong , why dont some of you come to the refinery and voice your views in public, if you think your being reasonable and fair then surly you will be met with open arms.

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I doubt there are many people here who think this is fair, smurf. However, fair or not, what the company is doing is totally legal. Their right to bring in foreign, European labour is an unavoidable part of our membership of the EU.

These workers can protest if they want, but what's their strategy here? What's the endgame? What are their demands? Absolutely nothing is going to change as a result of this. Nothing can change as a result of this.

What we are in fact seeing here is yet another almighty cock-up by our glorious leader Brown, who is happy to stand up and mouth brainless slogans that he knows he can't deliver on. These workers are parroting 'British jobs for British workers' because only a few months ago Brown said he would deliver exactly that. Well, he can't, and he never could. He has given them false hope, and all for the sake of a few weeks' respite from the rotten opinion polls.

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long as people need food my job is safe

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[quote chris]"These workers can protest if they want, but what's their strategy here? What's the endgame? What are their demands? Absolutely nothing is going to change as a result of this. Nothing can change as a result of this."



http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/news/...l/article.html

the end game is imo to get the British people to back the British job market.
this will not end well, if these workers remain in the area i would have serious doubts about there safety.
"nothing can change"-- never say never. it works well enough in France, they throw a wobbler and every one caves in , i think its better to try and make a stand now rather than wish we had in the future when its too late, a great show of solidarity by the existing work force and fellow workers across the UK, makes me proud to be BRITISH .

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Can someone please tell me:

1) How you would achieve the policy of securing "British jobs for British Workers".
2) How this would not actually reduce the amount of jobs in the country by inadvertently turning away foreign companies (like the French company, so not really British anyway)

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It has not worked in France. They have had souring unemployment for years. Even makes the current situation here look desirable. They have struggled for ages in produce jobs, and it's the fault of spineless politicians giving in to the national will of "France first".

People are not economists, just because it's so obvious to them does not mean it's correct.

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As I said earlier there is a question mark over the legality of what they are doing, did you hear Derek Simpson on Radio 4's 'Today' programme?

Mr Simpson said that the current strike at the Lindsey Oil Refinery was a result of a practice seen at other factories, whereby foreign contractors “exclude UK workers from consideration�, and questioned how they could afford to pay workers from abroad at fair rates, on top of transport and accommodation costs.

“What’s happening at the Lindsey Refinery is the same situation that is occurring in two or three or more sites across Britain. The real question isn’t foreign workers – it is that these companies say they will not consider UK workers under any circumstances.

“There is circumstantial evidence that some of the contractors are letting it be known that they have no intention of employing UK labour, even if a vacancy arises. This is absolutely outrageous, and potentially illegal.

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people are trying to protect there future -so that they can afford to send there sons and daughters to university -buy a nice house- own a car -buy food- pay the bills-have a few quid to spend on a footy match and a few beers on a Saturday,is it to much to expect the work in the refinery they built/maintained ,to be awarded to local tradesmen of which there is an abundance.

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Again, Even more people would not be able to do the above if you spun Foreign companies. This company, which despite this contract, employs several workers who are British and the company is French! So you can tell them where to stick it, but it's just more unemployed Brits.

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Of course British workers don't do drink and drugs....:rolleyes:

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this plant may be french owned but its situated in Lincolnshire not france and if it wishes to continue to refine oil it will need the locals onside .

but its more than local now
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7862255.stm

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Or Total could just refine it elsewhere?

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can one just produce a refinery at the drop of a hat

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looks like we have something in common with the french for a change

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/la...1466-22817522/

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No, but they'll know dam well not to produce any jobs here anymore. They'll just go elsewhere.

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you seem overly pro French is there a reason for it ??

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trying to protect our jobs/families seems to be a common goal [perhaps its the common market finally kicking in ;)]

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So Total should have given the work to the French, as it's a French company?

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They may well be acting completely legally and it just goes to show that legal doesn't always mean right thing to do. I do wonder if those shouting it's ok would be doing so if it were their livelihoods under threat from this and i don't think they would. It's easy to say it's legal and ok when your not the one affected by it but a whole different story if your going home each night wondering how long you might have before you lose your house and can't afford to look after your family. They are protesting trying to save jobs and work and some on here are slating them for it so i suppose they should all just shut up march quietly to the dole queue so the righteous minority on here can then have a go against benefit claimants being lazy and drinking stella allday. Damned if they do and damned if they don't welcome to modern britain.

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Good input, well done, pity you couldn't be bothered to finish that sentence with 'if they want to keep their jobs'. Also their employer isn't usually asked by contractors to 'give them a second chance' as has been insinuated here either.

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Yes, it's awful for them. Honestly, It's not that I do not have sympathy for them. However, The thing they are protesting about is basically that a private company is using non-British workers. If that is the message we send out then a lot more people will be unemployed. If it were simply a matter of legality and nothing else then we would all be demanding the law is changed, but if you start dictating the nationality of the workers they can employ then companies will be less inclined to set up here, leading to less jobs.

Do you not think total might be questioning the wisdom of having to do business in Britian at the moment? They may not be able to shut down existing locations but they will dam well think twice about setting up more.

We need businesses here, they provide jobs, and in these isolated examples those jobs did not go to our workers. However a lot still do, and these companies pay tax, and they benefit us.

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Can you imagine what would happen, if we went over to France and pinched all there work, you would have a general strike, as they stand up for the rights, this is precisely, what the British lads are doing.

We have to protect jobs, for the sakes of the families, there will be more and more people being laid off becuase of this, don't forget major companies make money out of us, but they are using foriegn workers to produce it, BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS.

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i have no idea how you arrived at that being as the plant is in Lincolnshire which is a county in the East of England and a french workforce would have had the same response as the italians.
i'm advocating British jobs for British workers and the jobs are in Britain not Brittany .

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SO if your job was tendered out to Spanish or Italians you'd sit back and do nothing??

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well the British work longer hours -dont have 3 hours for lunch and come back drunk -and we make a substantial profit for total -we also don't go on strike as often as the French and we prefer dialogue as opposed to burning every thing in sight and throwing bricks at police men. we know what side were on and don't sit on the fence in the middle getting splinters in our bums;)[ punctuation in the post]

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arthur your life would be at risk if you did that in France

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This isn't about 'permanent' jobs, it is about contractors, permanent jobs don't usually get "tendered out".

My question remains as before, why did the companies tendering for the contract, who might have employed an UK workforce, not get awarded the job in favour of an Italian company with an existing complement of workers?

I still maintain the problem is probably more to do with the UK 'package' being uncompetitive - in my opinion we should be directing more effort to redress that balance, rather than complaining 'it isn't fair' ?????

Remember 'Auf Wiedersen Pet'? - loads of UK construction workers going to Germany wasn't a problem, then, when they had a skills shortage.

In my opinion we should be protesting about the bigger picture of the lack of vocational training opportunities, which is keeping us uncompetitive, rather than concentrating on just one contract ????

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Mr British jobs for British workers BROWN shows his true colours

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7863316.stm

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This government does a lot of talking about skill's and training and has not backed it up at all and we let them get away with it. While i know some believe life on benefit is a dream it isn't and 99% on it would happily retrain to get the skill's to get jobs and have long term job prospects what is stopping them simple there are no adequately funded ways for unemployed people to obtain the skill's at a level that would help our shortage and their long term needs.

Trainng schemes for the unemployed are largely lousy and don't lead to more then nvq level 2 for most on benefit in areas where there are already plenty of people to do the job. What we need is to clearly identify the area's where we have a shortfall in skill's and then setup regional centre's equipped and capable of training people on benefit to adequate standards to fill those gaps. Do that and you will see a massive interest from benefit claimants to take those courses.

While we have a government that talks and does nothing were going to have the same problems again and again and nothing will ever change and i don't think this government has any real interest in changing things in this regard it is far easier to talk tough on benefit talk down to the people on it and give them no real help while all the time talking as if the help is there and not being taken up.

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Could just take a boat ride to france every day, I am sure they would welcome us with open arms!

That is the crap that these people in high places are coming out with now, that ****** mandelson for a start.

I have every sympathy for the guys concerned.

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Sympathy for who???

No one has lost any jobs over this??????

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http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/

update-- it has to be said our two local Mp's got a bit of a bad press earlier for doing nowt.

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Blimey, Shona and Austin - I didn't think an election was due...

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she loves a good photeee

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Just a shame that's she's never taken one ;)

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You just cannot stand around, and let some git from another land, come in a pinch your job, it is like an old film, you join a queue, say in Londonsm Docklands, looking for a days work, and the foreman comes out and chooses 6 guys, Polish, Italians and Romainans, and your the English guy, with a wife and two kids, how the hell would you feel, l would be totally sick.

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You have completely missed the point of the protests, you and the government it seems, what with the Dark Lord Mandy telling them to look for work in Europe, the point is that British workers have been excluded from applying for the positions, not that workers from abroad have been taken on. Oh and does Mandy think any other country would stand for an entire workforce to be shipped in, of course they wouldn't, it's completely different to one person working abroad and competing on an equal footing with local workers.

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Well, where the excluded? In this case I thought they put out a tender and the company which won used their own workers and happened to be Italian.

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The point that l am trying to make is this, In this country, we are standing up for our rights, We have foriegn companies in this country, that have British workers, some of these workers are now being laid off, due to the recession, We have a PM who does not give a hoots, to the British worker, even though he came out with the slogan ' British work for British workers ' which he has now back tracked, we now have Mandy, coming out with the same old crap. The bottom line is, that foriegn workers ARE taking British jobs, And with the recession biting very hard, have decided enough is enough.

There is probably Lorry loads of foreign workers coming through the channel tunnel, ready to take the work tomorrow. I support any striker, who supports the right to work. and this the right for every worker who holds a British passport. The worst thing, this country done, was get rid of the Trade Unions that we know of years ago, as at the moment there isn't anyone, with enough bottle to stand up to his stupid government, which has cuased the problem in the first place.

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BBC

"The contract to complete the work was awarded to the California-based engineering group Jacobs in June 2006 with a completion date of 2009.
It then subcontracted to an Italian firm, IREM, after a tender process in which five UK and two European contractors responded. It is understood that the terms of the contract specified that IREM would be using its existing permanent Italian and Portuguese workforce for the job.....

......Total has said that there will be no direct redundancies as a result of this contract being awarded to IREM.
It has also said that all IREM staff will be paid the same as the existing contractors working on the project.
It is understood that there are 100 foreign workers on the new project, with a further 300 to come. But Total says that up to 1,000 workers, employed from the local community, have already been working on the project for 18 months."

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Silly truckers.....

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Refer you to post 59 of this thread

there is a question mark over the legality of what they are doing, did you hear Derek Simpson on Radio 4's 'Today' programme?

Mr Simpson said that the current strike at the Lindsey Oil Refinery was a result of a practice seen at other factories, whereby foreign contractors “exclude UK workers from consideration�, and questioned how they could afford to pay workers from abroad at fair rates, on top of transport and accommodation costs.

“What’s happening at the Lindsey Refinery is the same situation that is occurring in two or three or more sites across Britain. The real question isn’t foreign workers – it is that these companies say they will not consider UK workers under any circumstances.

“There is circumstantial evidence that some of the contractors are letting it be known that they have no intention of employing UK labour, even if a vacancy arises. This is absolutely outrageous, and potentially illegal.


I suspect a lot of people have thoughts regarding this strike but imo this is basically the crux of it and under no circumstances should we accept it, I notice Total released a statement about this yeserday saying in future they would make sure everyone is given equal opportunities for vacancies, a good start, now I just hope that everyone concerned can negotiate to make sure this or anything like it never happens again.

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When the European Union expanded member states were given the opportunity to put a limit on the number of foreign workers that they would allow in the country.

The Germans immediately put a maximum quota, our government however, did nothing.

It's no good blaming businesses that are working totally within the confines of the law.

You want to blame somebody? Blame the government.

You want to change it? vote UKIP or some other party.

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was it not our own prime-minister that coined the phrase British jobs for British workers.

the spineless double dealing backstabber /I'd vote him and his cronies out tomorrow..

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I have sympathy for the workers who have not been even able to apply for the jobs because of cheap labour, is that ok ???

The fact is there are people who have not got jobs over this.

This government had the opportunity to put temporary restrictions to our labour markets, they did not, thinking only a thousand or so would come through.

Foreigners should only be considered if the job has been advertised here and other suitable candidates have not been found.

70,000 skilled workers have entered this country over the last 3 years, they have been able to do this even if they have no job to come to.

Contracts to overseas companies operating here should be outlawed if they do not offer jobs to suitable workers here first.

Brown was warned about the unrest we are now seeing, he chose to do nothing.

So yes I have every sympathy for workers who were born here being done out of a job by a foreigner wanting to do that job for less money and under less safety standards.

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BBC
"It has also said that all IREM staff will be paid the same as the existing contractors working on the project."

And they are covered by UK H&S laws, so your statement is a sub-optimal interpretation of the available information. ;)

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No offence but if workers from abroad work better, for cheaper aka minimum wage then what's the problem. Im not saying British workers are all lazy, tea-drinking whores - but seriously; if you had your own business and you could choose to pay somebody £5 an hour compared to £10 for the same work, maybe even a bit better!, then why wouldn't you.

Obviously the British Workers have their 'standard' wage, but they have to understand that in the employers world, cheaper and better is the way up instead of homegrown labour which is poor.

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Or even search for British workers who are willing to do the same job for NMW?

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http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/news/...l/article.html


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result !