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LondonRoad 28-01-2009 07:35
Tommy Sheridan found guilty of perjury [Updated Bump]
 
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...or_perjury.php

I don't know quite what to make of this. I do suspect if was somebody other than Tommy Sheridan there wouldn't have been the vast amount of money thrown at this investigation. Are the establishment so scared of this guy because of his left wing views.

zing_deleted 28-01-2009 07:59
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I personally think more public figures should be held accountable, I know nothing of this case but if he has been found lying in court then he should face the music.

LondonRoad 28-01-2009 08:10
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Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34723432)
I personally think more public figures should be held accountable, I know nothing of this case but if he has been found lying in court then he should face the music.
Well he hasn't been found lying in court yet. He is pleading not guilty.

The police have spent over a year at a cost of over £1million. It smells more of vendetta to me. That's an awful lot of money that would, imho, been better spent.

Chris 28-01-2009 08:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34723424)
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...or_perjury.php

I don't know quite what to make of this. I do suspect if was somebody other than Tommy Sheridan there wouldn't have been the vast amount of money thrown at this investigation. Are the establishment so scared of this guy because of his left wing views.
The Socialists wiped themselves out at the last Holyrood elections by indulging in a good old fashioned leftie schism. Actually it was the whole question of whether or not Sheridan was lying about the Manchester sex club that caused it. Several of them went into the witness box to say it was true, others insisted it was false. The libel jury found it was false. Sheridan then left the SSP and formed a rival party. Neither party scored any seats in the subsequent election, which takes some doing under the proportional system used here.

To cut to the quick: I don't think the 'Establishment' - whatever that's supposed to be - has anything to fear from Tommy Sheridan or any of the other clowns he used to associate with.

LondonRoad 28-01-2009 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34723461)
The Socialists wiped themselves out at the last Holyrood elections by indulging in a good old fashioned leftie schism. Actually it was the whole question of whether or not Sheridan was lying about the Manchester sex club that caused it. Several of them went into the witness box to say it was true, others insisted it was false. The libel jury found it was false. Sheridan then left the SSP and formed a rival party. Neither party scored any seats in the subsequent election, which takes some doing under the proportional system used here.

To cut to the quick: I don't think the 'Establishment' - whatever that's supposed to be - has anything to fear from Tommy Sheridan or any of the other clowns he used to associate with.

That's a fair summary of the background, although I didn't realise they were part of a circus too. ;)

I so think there does seem to be an element of vendetta in this. I'm not defending Sheridan, I think he's an opportunist, but we are talking here about a possible perjury in civil action, it's not cash for questions, or honours or illegal donation or misappropriation of public funds. In fact £1million for the enquiry (so far) has already topped the cash for honours enquiry.

Chris 28-01-2009 09:00
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Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34723463)
That's a fair summary of the background, although I didn't realise they were part of a circus too. ;)
Didn't you? You must have missed Colin Fox launching their 2005 election campaign in Argyle Street, dressed as Robin Hood. I've been looking for a photo but Google has let me down. This one will have to do:

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/589/ssp.jpg

This was the SSP 'demonstrating' about the effectiveness of the Parliament that they were, at the time, members of. Fox is on the right.

Their antics are in the main less sophisticated than the sorts of stunts my students' union used to pull.

Osem 29-01-2009 07:54
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Do you reckon his recent appearance on Celebrity Big Brother was some form of training undertaken in view of the possibility that he might just get himself banged up?...

:D

RizzyKing 29-01-2009 15:22
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Sheridan is nothing to fear and while i agree i that the money could have been better spent why would anyone bother trying to fit him up he is a nobody really and certainly not a threat that has to be dealt with. Seems more like the usual "lets waste some money because we can" then anything else.

Osem 29-01-2009 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34724246)
Sheridan is nothing to fear and while i agree i that the money could have been better spent why would anyone bother trying to fit him up he is a nobody really and certainly not a threat that has to be dealt with. Seems more like the usual "lets waste some money because we can" then anything else.
Correction: Let's waste some 'taxpayers' money....... :mad:

piggy 29-01-2009 16:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34724246)
Sheridan is nothing to fear and while i agree i that the money could have been better spent why would anyone bother trying to fit him up he is a nobody really and certainly not a threat that has to be dealt with. Seems more like the usual "lets waste some money because we can" then anything else.
its all opinions but i followed this case first time around and imo he is guilty and he is going down, so let the jury decide i say.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34724287)
Correction: Let's waste some 'taxpayers' money....... :mad:
a former mp charged with perjury, its hardly a waste (imo)

Osem 29-01-2009 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34724295)
its all opinions but i followed this case first time around and imo he is guilty and he is going down, so let the jury decide i say.

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a former mp charged with perjury, its hardly a waste (imo)
I didn't say him being charged with perjury is a waste of time - I simpy made the point that it's taxpayers money and that might just be why they don't mind throwing it about whether it's perjury trials or saving dodgy banks.

piggy 29-01-2009 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34724300)
I didn't say him being charged with perjury is a waste of time - I simpy made the point that it's taxpayers money and that might just be why they don't mind throwing it about whether it's perjury trials or saving dodgy banks.
if he is found guilty he will need a dodgy bank to bail him out with his costs and the newspapers :p:

Osem 29-01-2009 16:56
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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34724301)
if he is found guilty he will need a dodgy bank to bail him out with his costs and the newspapers :p:
Very probably :D

I wonder if he's polishing his "simple sword of truth and trusty shield of traditional British fair play....."

RizzyKing 29-01-2009 17:06
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More to the point do any of us really care what happens to this complete non entity i know i don't.

Chris 29-01-2009 18:22
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34724304)
More to the point do any of us really care what happens to this complete non entity i know i don't.
Yes - a lot of people in Scotland do care what happens to him. He may only have entered the UK-wide public consciousness by going on Big Brother, but he was an MSP for eight years here. Prior to that, and since, he's a fairly regular talking head on political programming. His trial is a significant event.

LondonRoad 29-01-2009 19:58
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You can disagree with his politics, You can question some of the alleged antics in his personal life, but he has been a significant figure in Scottish politics for quite sometime.

As I overheard one Granny say to her purple rinsed friend on the train tonight -
"If it wisnae for Tommy Sheridan we'd still have yon Poll Tax".

Not quite true but he did become a prominent figure then and went to Jail for it. Maybe he just likes porridge ;)

Tezcatlipoca 23-12-2010 18:53
Re: Tommy Sheridan found guilty of perjury [Updated Bump]
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-12059037

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC News
Tommy Sheridan has been convicted of perjury following a 12-week trial at the High Court in Glasgow.

The 46-year-old former MSP was found guilty of lying during his successful defamation case against the News of the World newspaper in 2006.

He sued after it printed allegations that he was an adulterer who had attended a swingers' club.

Sheridan has been given bail and faces a prison term when he is sentenced on 26 January.

His wife Gail, also 46, was acquitted last week after the Crown withdrew charges against her.

(snip)

Minutes before, the politician was found guilty of five allegations under one charge on the indictment.

The last remaining allegation, that he had a sexual relationship with former News of the World columnist Anvar Khan, was deleted.

In coming to their verdict, the 14 members of the jury ruled that: Sheridan did tell a meeting of the SSP executive committee on 9 November 2004 that he had visited Cupid's in Manchester in 1996 and 2002 with Ms Khan.

The jury found that party members Keith Baldassara and Alan McCombes did state at the meeting that they had previously raised the issue of Sheridan attending a sex club in Manchester with him and that he admitted that it was true.

It was also found that he did visit Cupid's with Andrew McFarlane, Gary Clark, Ms Khan and Katrine Trolle on 27 September 2002 and that he did have a sexual relationship with Katrine Trolle between 1 January and 31 December 2005.

Following the majority verdict, advocate depute Alex Prentice moved for sentencing, giving a short biography of Sheridan's political career and mentioning previous convictions for breach of the peace.

Lord Bracadale requested background reports and said any submissions by Sheridan could be made at the sentencing hearing next month.

The judge told Sheridan: "You have been convicted of the serious offence of perjury and must return to court expecting to begin a prison sentence."

(snip)

So then... guilty of perjury (although he can still seek to appeal the verdict).

What I want to know, & haven't seen mention of, is... as he has been found guilty of lying in court during his successful libel action against the News of the World, does this mean that he will have to pay back the damages he obtained from the News of the World?

Osem 23-12-2010 20:13
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I would think so. This is what happened with Lord Archer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1448075.stm

I wonder if Sheridan employed Jonathan Aitken's "simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play"....

Flyboy 23-12-2010 20:28
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This whole sorry story is extremely distasteful. It starts with an unnecessarily intrusive report on someones private life, a fool who really should have known better and should have kept his mouth shut, a so-called friend's treachery and now he may face jail for something that should never have gotten as far. I think it is about time the test of, "in the public interest," is re-examined.

nomadking 23-12-2010 20:52
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He shouldn't have won the original case. Even he seemed to indicate at the time, that he only won it because he from the Left.

IIRC the case with Lord Archer, was where they changed the day anything was supposed to have taken place at the very last minute before trial. In that situation, could anyone have dealt with something where you had an provable alibi for a specific day before, but now faced having to provide an alibi for a day that you couldn't(eg you were home on your own).

Derek 23-12-2010 23:32
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Guilty :D

If he'd accepted that he had done wrong rather than trying to wriggle and squirm his way out of things he wouldn't be looking at the wrong end of a prison sentence, the damages award being overturned and possibly losing his house.

The trial was pretty ridiculous with everyone and their granny lining up to shoot him down and only a couple of family members (including one who miraculously remembered after the trial started *exactly* what was doing on a specific evening 10 years ago) still clinging to the story that it was a huge setup.

Derek 26-01-2011 10:59
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3 years in jail. Well about 14 months in reality. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-12280552

Osem 26-01-2011 12:21
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Yeah but he's only been sent down because of his lifelong fight against 'injustice and inequality'....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12287231

:rolleyes:

Hugh 26-01-2011 14:13
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35159109)
3 years in jail. Well about 14 months in reality. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-12280552
I wonder if he will be trying a threesome in prison.........:shocked:

Derek 26-01-2011 14:14
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35159160)
Yeah but he's only been sent down because of his lifelong fight against 'injustice and inequality'....
It's a conspiracy!

TheDaddy 26-01-2011 14:17
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35159109)
3 years in jail. Well about 14 months in reality. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-12280552
3 years, I wonder if it'll be tough sentances all round now, if burglars and muggers got anywhere near 3 years it'd be better imo

Derek 26-01-2011 14:21
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35159221)
3 years, I wonder if it'll be tough sentances all round now, if burglars and muggers got anywhere near 3 years it'd be better imo
It would be even better if 3 years actually meant something close to 3 years.

TheDaddy 26-01-2011 14:25
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35159223)
It would be even better if 3 years actually meant something close to 3 years.
Now now Derek we have to let them out early for behaving whilst inside, it's almost as if the concept of "behave or we'll keep you banged up even longer" never occured to them.

Derek 03-06-2015 20:41
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Bit of a mega bump but Andy Coulson has been cleared of committing perjury during the previous perjury trial not because he didn't lie but because the PF couldn't prove his lies had an effect on the case.

Confused? Me as well but on the bright side Mr Sheridan is going absolutely tonto with rage right now. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32962263

Quote:
Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been cleared of committing perjury while giving evidence in the 2010 trial of ex-MSP Tommy Sheridan.
The Crown alleged that Mr Coulson, 47, lied about his knowledge of phone hacking at the now-defunct tabloid.
The case against him collapsed after his defence team successfully argued there was no case to answer.
Judge Lord Burns ruled the Crown had not shown Mr Coulson's evidence was relevant in the Sheridan trial.

Damien 03-06-2015 21:12
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It seems am uncharacteristically fair and sensible decision to me. I am surprised that the law has been drafted well enough to allow it happen. The alternative is that there would be scope for an overzealous prosecution to convict someone of perjury, a serious offence that carries a jail term, for telling a irrelevant minor lie in court.

I.E Someone lies about where they going when they witnesses a crime. They might say they were off to work but really they had decided to take the day off. Is that really worth of being illegal? I am not sure.

We have enough laws written with enough leeway to convict people for stupid things. Remember that guy who was convicted of terrorism offences after tweeting a joke? Everyone knew it was stupid but the law meant they just had to stick with it.

MarsBar 04-06-2015 09:40
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Coulson has friends in high places.......that is all.

Chris 04-06-2015 10:00
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Originally Posted by MarsBar (Post 35781333)
Coulson has friends in high places.......that is all.
Odd how he's already served time for phone hacking then, isn't it? :rolleyes:

MarsBar 04-06-2015 13:19
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35781339)
Odd how he's already served time for phone hacking then, isn't it? :rolleyes:
Yeah,5 months of an 18 month prison sentence,like I said,he's got friends in high places,oh,I did I mention he got a nice soft cell?

Hugh 04-06-2015 13:30
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Originally Posted by MarsBar (Post 35781380)
Yeah,5 months of an 18 month prison sentence,like I said,he's got friends in high places,oh,I did I mention he got a nice soft cell?
But surely if he had "friends in high places", he wouldn't have gone to prison? :confused:

According to that logic, Tommy Sheridan must have "friends in high places", as he only served just over a year of a three year sentence....

Osem 04-06-2015 13:50
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It's quite normal for people to be released from prison after having served only a fraction of their sentence so presumably they all have 'friends in high places'.

http://www.offendersfamilieshelpline....php/sentence/

MarsBar 04-06-2015 13:54
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35781386)
But surely if he had "friends in high places", he wouldn't have gone to prison? :confused:

According to that logic, Tommy Sheridan must have "friends in high places", as he only served just over a year of a three year sentence....
Mmm,good point,we'll call it a draw.:p:

nomadking 04-06-2015 14:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35781290)
Bit of a mega bump but Andy Coulson has been cleared of committing perjury during the previous perjury trial not because he didn't lie but because the PF couldn't prove his lies had an effect on the case.

Confused? Me as well but on the bright side Mr Sheridan is going absolutely tonto with rage right now. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32962263
Why would any potential lie have had any bearing on the case? After all, the thing that was being decided upon was what was the source of the TRUTH and not whether the info gained was true or not.

Chris 04-06-2015 21:02
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Originally Posted by MarsBar (Post 35781380)
Yeah,5 months of an 18 month prison sentence,like I said,he's got friends in high places,oh,I did I mention he got a nice soft cell?
Did he get any tainted love while he was inside as well? :D

MarsBar 04-06-2015 23:10
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35781496)
Did he get any tainted love while he was inside as well? :D
Chris 1 MB 1.;)

Pierre 05-06-2015 19:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35781496)
Did he get any tainted love while he was inside as well? :D
Could be worse, he could have a place in Bedsitter Land, anyway Say hello Wave Goodbye.

nashville 08-06-2015 16:09
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Tommy Sheridan means nothing to a lot of people in Scotland now, To me he is only a loudmouth, He caused a lot of heartaches telling people not to pay the Poll Tax when it came out and people were evicted or they were in debt, while he was in his big fancy house. He was caught being a bad boy etc and done time. Then he started to latch onto the Yes campaign. Just cannot stand the man, Hope I have not offended anyone ,

Osem 08-06-2015 16:40
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You haven't offended me... ;)

denphone 08-06-2015 16:45
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Nor me either as the man is a absolute pig.

Stuart 09-06-2015 09:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35781386)
But surely if he had "friends in high places", he wouldn't have gone to prison? :confused:

According to that logic, Tommy Sheridan must have "friends in high places", as he only served just over a year of a three year sentence....
I suspect that if Andy Coulson had friends in high places, at the very least his name would have been dropped from the investigation very quickly, with possibly the entire thing going away (as previous investigations appear to have done).

nashville 09-06-2015 12:23
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Ok osem and Den, Have a nice day


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