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Mick 18-11-2008 14:32

A Thread dedicated to the memory of Baby Peter
 
I know a thread exists on the announcement of this sickening story but I want this thread to exist to just dedicate it to the memory of young life robbed by the **** of this Earth. (I consider this a far too polite description for the people who did this).

I have been 'moved' by reading the shocking reports of how Baby P was picked up by one of his ears, how his mother claimed he got some of his injuries by 'falling down the stairs' or being pushed into a fireplace 'by another child' and how in the last moments of Baby P's life, he was punched so hard in the face, that he swallowed a tooth that had become dislodged, his poor fragile body couldn't take any more. :(

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/11/25.jpg

I think I speak for everyone that has ever posted here, but the only words I have to say is:- "Suffer no more Baby P - I truely hope justice will be served. R.I.P little one." :sorry:

If his name is allowed to be published - I will change the title of this thread accordingly.

punky 18-11-2008 14:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34677958)
I think I speak for everyone that has ever posted here, but the only words I have to say is:- "Suffer no more Baby P - I truely hope justice will be served. R.I.P little one." :sorry:

Well said. I'd only add to that by saying

"We will do everything humanly possible to make sure those responsible - relatives or otherwise - face the consequences. We will make sure that your precious, short life was not taken in vain."

I can only hope.

STONEISLAND 18-11-2008 14:49

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Very sad indeed. RIP your in a better place now.

Those with blood on there hands should bow there heads in shame!!

webcrawler2050 18-11-2008 14:50

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This poor child, it sure as hell does touch home when you have a little ones yourself. The people that did this, should sure as hell be hung or cooked. No questions asked!?

lauzjp 18-11-2008 15:00

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Given that the people who did this to poor Baby P & those who let it happen -are clearly guilty for all the world to see, then I hope everyone involved accepts that his life was in their hands, now their lives are in the hands of whoever is standing near them... and therefore I would hate to be in their shoes. They should all be charged accordingly - but when imprisoned I wouldn't give them the glory of allowing them to wallow in their own self pity in isolation... now that I would like to see photos of.

I'm sorry so many people let him down - rest in peace little cutie. x

superscot69 18-11-2008 15:10

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If ever there was a need for hanging those involved in this act of brutality should be first on the gallows .....dreadful crimes against an innocent child

etccarmageddon 18-11-2008 15:19

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it'll happen again and there will be excuses from the "professionals" who didn't do their jobs. £100,000+ some of these people are paid - the doctors and social services bosses and they all have excuses.

RizzyKing 18-11-2008 16:15

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R.I.P we can be sure whatever comes after death will be better for you then what you got in your so called life from those that should have protected and nurtured you.

zing_deleted 18-11-2008 16:17

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Failed by the system and failed by those who should love him the most RIP

moaningmags 18-11-2008 17:21

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Being a mother of four, I'm still stunned that anyone could do this to their own.
Wherever you are Baby P, I hope you're at peace and sitting on someone's knee being hugged and knowing that you are loved. R.I.P

webcrawler2050 18-11-2008 17:33

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I agree, god knows how any one can do this to their own blood - some people. All that will happen, is pro's blamming something else.

Personally, everyone who failed to help this poor little child, should be dismissed instantly. I mean come on, we are one of the richest countrys in the world, if we can't even protect this little baby, from the likes of the people who caused this damage to him, then why the heck do we have a child protection system.

joglynne 18-11-2008 17:36

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Words fail me. I can't begin to express my feelings about the murder of this young innocent child. May he now be at peace.

XFS03 18-11-2008 23:04

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Rest In Peace.

Truly appropriate words in this case, considering the trauma this poor tot went through in the final months of his short life. :(

.

Halcyon 18-11-2008 23:26

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Definately agree with you XFS03.

I hope he is in a better place now. Rest in peace.

Enuff 18-11-2008 23:33

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:: *rip* ::

Nidge 19-11-2008 03:49

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I can't add anything to this only RIP little man. It's nice to know that the names of those who killed him have been leaked out, maybe they'll get a bit roughed up inside.

Tinky 19-11-2008 08:05

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It beggars belief the suffering this poor little mite must have endured in his short life. Will the Authorities learn any lessons from this, I doubt it? How long before we hear of yet another baby P?

RIP baby P

Maggy 19-11-2008 08:39

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There are no words..none that can cover just how I feel.

Except to say that it's been 34 years since I felt the same murderous rage over Maria Colwell...


:(

aliferste 19-11-2008 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34678542)
I can't add anything to this only RIP little man. It's nice to know that the names of those who killed him have been leaked out, maybe they'll get a bit roughed up inside.

I received one of those texts last night stating what their names are and to pass it on. Personally I deleted it - the world is full of barbaric acts that we never get to hear about - justice is justice - it should be dealt out by the courts not by other people we have sent away for those same barbaric acts!

Mick 22-11-2008 17:43

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This story just gets worse and worse as now lawyers of the mother are applying for a new name for her at TAX payers expense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky News
Politicians have reacted angrily to claims the child's 27-year-old mother's lawyers are now preparing to invoke human rights legislation to assure her anonymity for life.

The Daily Mail says the mother's lawyers will argue that her life could be at risk if she is identified.

As well as a new identity, she could receive 24-hour police protection.

<snipped>

Conservative MP, Philip Davies, told the paper: "I personally find it rather offensive that the taxpayer may end up picking up a huge bill to protect this woman's human rights, given the complete disregard she showed for the human rights of her baby."

This is a massive insult to Baby P and his short life - he'll probably be turning in his grave at the thought of this.

I have always maintained that if someone is proved beyond reasonable doubt that they breached someones right to life, then that person who committed an evil act, loses all privileges and their absolute right to 'Human rights'.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...xpayer_Expense

MadGamer 22-11-2008 18:30

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Rest In Peace little one.

Damien 22-11-2008 18:33

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What do you expect? The police have their duty, to everyone, however sick and evil their actions were. Unfortunately some people have decided that mob justice is justified and therefore put her details all over the place, so now they will try to get the police to protect her.

It may be horrible to contemplate but is there an alternative?

budwieser 22-11-2008 18:36

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Human rights are for people who are human.
These **** do not deserve any human rights.
This woman can not be called the childs mother because she never once in the childs life, acted like a mother. Rot in hell you murderous cruel cowards. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

peanut 22-11-2008 18:57

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And what about all the others? I don't think this one is any special to any of the other poor souls.

I don't know who's worse the 'so called' parents or the authorities sometimes.

I hope something is learnt but I seriously doubt it somehow.

RIP.

Druchii 22-11-2008 19:23

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Rest in peace.

budwieser 22-11-2008 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34681071)
And what about all the others? I don't think this one is any special to any of the other poor souls.

I don't know who's worse the 'so called' parents or the authorities sometimes.

I hope something is learnt but I seriously doubt it somehow.

RIP.

What do you mean by "all the others" ?

Paul 22-11-2008 19:31

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I would imagine he means all the other children who die from abuse each week.

Mick 22-11-2008 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34681071)
And what about all the others? I don't think this one is any special to any of the other poor souls.

I don't know who's worse the 'so called' parents or the authorities sometimes.

I hope something is learnt but I seriously doubt it somehow.

RIP.

But did all the 'others' who have been abused this week have 60 visits from an incompetent social worker system which is in place to protect children from abuse ? Putting the evilness of this story aside, the whole reason why this story has come to light is because there was a hard potential to stop this abuse from happening and it highlighted yet again flaws within Haringey social services, remember Victoria Climbié?, another child who died while under the care of Haringey social services.

budwieser 22-11-2008 20:03

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I`ve no arguement with peanutpk or anyone else on this forum, all i stated was that i hoped the people who committed this vile crime rot in hell as i also hope anyone who abuses a child also rots in hell and suffers for all eternity.;)
There`s no place in our society for bullys and child abusers.:td:

Maggy 22-11-2008 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34681097)
But did all the 'others' who have been abused this week have 60 visits from an incompetent social worker system which is in place to protect children from abuse ? Putting the evilness of this story aside, the whole reason why this story has come to light is because there was a hard potential to stop this abuse from happening and it highlighted yet again flaws within Haringey social services, remember Victoria Climbié?, another child who died while under the care of Haringey social services.

Mick it's even worse than it would appear..According to a recent Ofsted report at least 4 at risk children die every week..:(

Being discussed here

RizzyKing 22-11-2008 21:13

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Mob justice tends to happen when the people no longer feel the sentence matches the crime which is exactly what is happening in the UK at the minute sentences for the most horrific things seem way too light and far too easy for the person that commits these acts. But if you call for tougher we then get people saying that wouldn't be fair blah blah blah. These things that did this are lucky there are not on the end of a rope because thats where they belong then none of them would have to worry about reprisal after release.

Nidge 23-11-2008 07:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34681052)
What do you expect? The police have their duty, to everyone, however sick and evil their actions were. Unfortunately some people have decided that mob justice is justified and therefore put her details all over the place, so now they will try to get the police to protect her.

It may be horrible to contemplate but is there an alternative?

When **** bags put a defenceless child through what they did they deserve mob justice, that child suffered at the hands of a mob albeit a small mob but it was enough to put him through some horific injuries and pain during his short life. If I had my way they'd be tied to a post and stoned to death, that child deserved more than this.

joglynne 22-05-2009 16:19

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So many people who should have cared for Baby Peter and a life lost because they didn't.

Quote:

Baby Peter's mother has been jailed indefinitely for causing or allowing the toddler's death.

The 17-month-old died after months of abuse in Haringey, north London. His mother must serve at least five years.

Her 32-year-old boyfriend was jailed for 12 years for causing the death and for life for raping a two-year-old girl. He must serve at least 10 years.

Their lodger, Jason Owens, was jailed indefinitely for causing Baby Peter's death, to serve at least three years. <snip>

Five employees of Haringey Council in north London, including children's services director Sharon Shoesmith, were sacked after Baby Peter's death.

The General Medical Council has suspended two doctors involved in the case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8055340.stm

STONEISLAND 22-05-2009 16:22

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5 years!!!!!! Pathetic!!!! :afire: :mad: :td:

Maggy 22-05-2009 17:55

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8063025.stm

Quote:

The "horrifying" death of Baby Peter "could and should have been prevented", a report into his care has said.
A serious case review said agencies lacked "thoroughness and urgency" by not taking the 17-month-old into care.
The government-ordered review said the authorities should have stopped the situation "in its tracks at the first serious incident".
:mad:

Mr_love_monkey 22-05-2009 18:21

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string the lot of them up I say.

Gary L 22-05-2009 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34800169)
5 years!!!!!! Pathetic!!!! :afire: :mad: :td:

Eligible for parole, doesn't mean you'll get it.
although
Quote:

Old Bailey Judge Stephen Kramer said both Baby Peter's mother and Owens would be jailed indefinitely until "deemed no longer to be a risk to the public and in particular to small children".
is a bit worrying. as in a couple of years she won't be showing any signs of being a risk to anybody much.

RizzyKing 22-05-2009 20:21

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What do you actually have to do to get a sentence worth it's time these days i cannot think of two bigger pieces of **** (thats being nice given this is a family forum). We have done a lot of talking lately about politicians that don't understand public anger but judges have been at that game for a lot longer and with far worse people then mp's will ever be.

Maggy 22-05-2009 21:09

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The judge was hampered by the fact that not one of the three took any responsibility and thus were not charged with murder but were charged with lesser crimes with smaller tariffs.

He did the best he could by making the proviso that they should not be released until they were no danger to small children.

So because the police could not point to the actual guilty person they appear to have been leniently treated.What we need in cases like this is to be able to have a blanket charge so that people can't avoid prosecution by pointing the finger at others who were in the same vicinity.

lauzjp 23-05-2009 06:15

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I read the Victoria Climbie report and cried. I really dread to think what Baby Peter's report/file says too, I think the collective persons responsible should be made to read out loud what they have done and how Baby Peter suffered every day of their lives. There is no justice for that beautiful little child.

RizzyKing 23-05-2009 09:27

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So the message this sends then is if your going to do harm to a baby do it as a group and don't take responsibility and you get a lighter sentence then you deserve. We know it was these three so whether they take the responsibility or not they should all have got long harsh sentences and send that message to those in this country that would harm any child. I cannot and never will understand people that could do what they did to a little kid and can only hope other prisoners will dish out some justice more in line with what they deserve.

Julian 23-05-2009 09:54

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Surely a good first step to make sure they are no longer a threat to children is to sterilise them?

Babu 23-05-2009 10:09

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Why are the identities of the mother and her boyfriend still being withheld? I know the information is available on several blogs.

Maggy 23-05-2009 16:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Babu (Post 34800539)
Why are the identities of the mother and her boyfriend still being withheld? I know the information is available on several blogs.

A very good question..and I'm still looking for an answer.:erm:

TheDaddy 23-05-2009 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lauzjp (Post 34800506)
There is no justice for that beautiful little child.

Children. I dread to think how many hundreds haven't made the papers, let down and abused by the people supposed to care for them the most and clueless social workers

---------- Post added at 17:29 ---------- Previous post was at 17:26 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34800352)
The judge was hampered by the fact that not one of the three took any responsibility and thus were not charged with murder but were charged with lesser crimes with smaller tariffs.

He did the best he could by making the proviso that they should not be released until they were no danger to small children.

So because the police could not point to the actual guilty person they appear to have been leniently treated.What we need in cases like this is to be able to have a blanket charge so that people can't avoid prosecution by pointing the finger at others who were in the same vicinity.

Haven't they got indetermined sentences, with a minimum of 5 years etc. With a bit of luck they'll turn into Hindley's and never see freedom again. Won't hold my breath though...

SMG 23-05-2009 21:34

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We recently had a thread which discussed Torture. It is used to secure vital information, necessary to prevent acts of terrorism, & death.

Each time Peters face appears on the news, I feel like crap, powerless to exact justice for this little mite.

This child was tortured, for no reason other than to satisfy the needs of evil people. The Death penalty in this case is not enough. The guilty should be made to feel the pain they invoked upon an innocent soul.

My punishment would certainly infringe their Human Rights. :disturbd:


I only hope there is more justice waiting within the prison walls.



Rest in Peace Peter.:angel:

Mr_love_monkey 24-05-2009 11:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34800721)
A very good question..and I'm still looking for an answer.:erm:

I guess the obvious answer would be that there is another child involved.

Which is a scary thought

RizzyKing 24-05-2009 15:05

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I would like a law change so that being in a group that inflicts harm doesn't give you a get out like it has in this case. Persoanlly all three should have been charged with murder and sentenced accordingly as none of them cared and each of them could have murdered this little child with no real thought about it. Truly evil people should be locked up for the rest of their life and never get out but these **** will probably be out in less then ten years the system sucks and isn't working.

Maggy 24-05-2009 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34801125)
I would like a law change so that being in a group that inflicts harm doesn't give you a get out like it has in this case. Persoanlly all three should have been charged with murder and sentenced accordingly as none of them cared and each of them could have murdered this little child with no real thought about it. Truly evil people should be locked up for the rest of their life and never get out but these **** will probably be out in less then ten years the system sucks and isn't working.

What concerns me is that not one of the three will admit anything and that IF any of them had been an innocent bystander why the hell they didn't go straight to the authorities to start with?

SMG 24-05-2009 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34801180)
What concerns me is that not one of the three will admit anything and that IF any of them had been an innocent bystander why the hell they didn't go straight to the authorities to start with?



Thats dead right. All 3 are guilty. No decent human being would stand by & watch a child suffer the torture & pain this child suffered. The trouble with todays society is no one will take responsibility for their own actions. This child didn't harm himself. None of these people should ever see light of day again.

Mick 11-08-2009 01:35

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Evil **** identities revealed - The ban which protected Baby Peter's killers identity has expired....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-..._Of_Baby_Peter

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyNews
Tracey Connelly and Steven Barker were jailed for the death of 17-month-old Peter Connelly, who died in his blood-spattered room in a filthy London house in August 2007.

He had suffered 50 injuries, including fractured ribs and a broken back.

See new thread discussing this issue:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ers-named.html


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