BT now caps *everyone*
 

I know it's no consolation for us, but probably a sign of how things are going, but BT caps ALL users in the evening to just 15% of their nominal bandwidth :shocked:

Makes VM capping at 25% almost seem generous doesn't it :rolleyes:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...th_throttling/

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If only VM thought of that...

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I always thought that BBC iPlayers full install used P2P on downloading ;)

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If only we lived in an enlightened country where the regulator was against this type of throttling: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/25...cting-net.html

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It does but you can turn it off

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They do for their ADSL service.

If you are on cable broadband, as you can get BBC iPlayer on Virgin TV, why would you want it on your computer ;)

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Actually this is not technically true, unfortunetly what is true how ever is they do cap/shape p2p but the way it is done means it completely cripples the whole conneciton until you close the p2p app off.

This does NOT affect bbc iplayer at all and this is better than what VM have come out with (STM)

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I dont know I think thats really bad as they have been shaping BT connections aswell I can see all ISP's soon coming in with STM or Capping as the internet is growing faster than the ISP's bandwidth

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BT's FTTH has no STM/Shaping what so ever and the trialists often enjoy 100Mbit (its set up as speed bursts so you only get that speed with big file downloads, quite a good setup).

AFAIK BT is expecting not to use any sort of shaping/throttling on their fibre rollout as the networks backhaul will be massively upgraded allowing for much less congestion and no need for shaping (much in the same way fios works).

VM, however, cannot afford to upgrade their backhaul/network linkups (as they have only just upgraded to 40G while BT is 100G)

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Well lucky BT customers can get rid of shaping by 2012, I dont like BT there speeds r **** and they lie to customers and spy on you, simple I would never ever use BT for a ISP.

As for Virgin I deal with stm I would prefer it to be removed but I can work round it, as all I do is download and play xbox live which alot of customers do aswell

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Which was fine when their STM was only 4-9PM.

But 10am-3pm is not peak time, i'm not quite sure how they manage to get away with it.

And yes alot of customers do that and they are the ones who hit the STM.

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No you can't ;) You can turn off the uploading side of the P2P but not the downloading...

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Trialist's enjoying no shaping does not mean that BT won't be forced to do so when the product goes live retail. VM (TW and NTL) didn't traffic shape when they launched their respective BB services, it only kicked in the last two years or so, TW being the first I seem to recall.

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TW oversubscribed and had a network that in some areas was falling apart, when the two companies merged most of the top brass changed to telewest people, that's why we have STM, because they dont want to pay to upgrade the network which they have oversubscribed, apparently because of debt issues, however it doesnt stop them giving each other huge bonuses every year.

VM only has multiple 40Gbit network link ups, BT has 100Gbit.

There is no need to shape on docsis3/FTTH providing you have good network link ups as to not cause congestion.

The only reason VM are shaping 50Mbit is due to the fact they simply dont have that kind of bandwith available.

50Mbit from VM is not a serious product, its a willy waving thing.

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Willy waving?

VM have come out and said they could have 200 Mb by 2012, that's one hell of a big willy.

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I also remember them saying by now we'd all be on 100Mbit... ;):p:

VM talk alot of *aherm* :dunce:

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I don't remember VM ever publicly announcing that they would have a residential service offering 100Mbps by 2008?

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Don't you remember neil blasting all over bbc newscast we'd all be on 100Mbit by now? :D

Then again on another newscast with the BBC saying we'd all be on 50 and 100Mbit by now :D

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No I don't, I do remember somebody stating that they hd tested 100Mb in lab conditions.

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weeh glad a news site noticed this, thinkbroadband funnily have remained very quiet about it. Which does indicate further they pro BT.

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It doesnt matter how big the backhaul is if their prices dont change, BT wholesale currently make isps pay over £150 per mbit which is incredibly expensive.

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Indeed, though they still have quite a nice little community going on there.

I agree, however i do know for a fact the pricing structure is going to change...even for BT's own customers, the true FTTH packages aint gonna be cheap! but at least they wont shape you.

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All been well however the average joe aint gonna pay over the odds for no shaping that wouldnt effect them and there are lots of average joes out there

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VM users still seem to be overlooking the fact that even with STM, you can still download:

2Mbps - ~16GB/day, ~448GB/month
4Mbps - ~32GB/day, ~896GB/month
10Mbps - ~75GB/day, ~2050GB/month
20Mbps - ~150GB/day, ~4100GB/month

And when it comes out (if STM trends follow in suit):

50Mbps - ~375GB/day, ~10500GB/month

(~ means approximately)

That is far more than any other ISP would allow with their throttling thats for damn sure, especially BT now they are throttling everyone.

If VM can't afford to upgrade their network because of debt, don't you think that they should:-

1. Stop giving out offers to keep people on their services and just let them leave. Chances are they cost the company a lot more than they pay.
2. Stop upgrading to be better than everyone else and pay off a little debt first. Work on getting the service you have working for everyone and not just some.

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VM has very recently started on a 40Gbit network upgrade, May, not sure how complete it is. BT do not have 100Gbit anywhere on their network at this time.

100Gbit is still largely in the labs. One major issue is that BT's network is Juniper and Cisco and there are no 100Gbit line cards or even 100Gbit/slot routers available as far as I'm aware. There are 100Gbit/slot switches but no 100Gbit line cards even for them yet. It's very very specialised stuff still.

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I think it's not so much about how much you can download, but when you can download at full speed that's the cause of the complaints.

BTW you put an extra 0 on the end of the figure for 50Mbit ;)

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Not sure if it was sarcasm or being serious, but the figure is, unfortunately, correct :p:

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General business wisdom says that retaining an existing customer by making them a special offer is cheaper than gaining a new one through expensive marketing campaigns...although some of the offers VM have given out would appear to fly in the face of theory :p: