Dwain Chambers set for Olympic verdict
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olym...cs/7503792.stm

The result should be this morning...

What really annoys me is that I've never seen or heard an apology from this person about what he did..until I do I'm inclined to think the ban should stay.Even then it would depend a lot on what he had to say.

So do you think he should be allowed onto the team or do you think the ban should stand?

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I personally think that the ban should stand.

He made the choice to take steroids knowing full well the rules and bans subjected to people caught...

Kymmy

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Quite simply he's a cheat. The ban should stay in place.

I know the legal arguments may allow him back in but morally it undermines the whole olympic ethos if cheats are allowed to compete.

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We shouldn't overturn the ban for one person. He knew the consequences before he took drugs. Took them anyway. The olympics can't mean that much to him.

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Chambers still banned: :):)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olym...cs/7503792.stm

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The hearing today was for a temporary lift until the full hearing.

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Common sense prevailed at last.

At the end of the day, his body is still enhanced by the use of steriods, so if he won at the olympics it would be arguable to whether it was still fair or not.

I don't like his attitude because he says you can't win today unless you use performance enhancing drugs so I hope he gets everything he deserves.

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What i don't understand is what the first two year ban he got was then? Surely that's pointless if he's going to be banned from the Olympics, why don't they just change it to banning people who take steroids for life. Personally i think he served the time (2 years) for taking steroids and learnt from his mistakes and should have been allowed to compete.

He did actually withdraw and change that statement at a later date to say that you can win without taking performance enhancing drugs.

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Which won't be heard till March next year, too late for Olympic 2008 and hopefully by 2012 he'll be a has been ;)

Thinking about it though his defence wsa that he couldn;t ply his trade due to the ban, if he had won then couldn't every banned car driver claim the same????

Kymmy

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With the backlash that came from that statement after the damage was done it was understandable to change his statement don't you think. I think he meant what he said and was told to change his statement afterwards or risk further troubles.

Believe what you like, you don't say something like that for nothing.

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They do. Sometimes the court acts on it, sometimes they don't.

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I have to say I'm pleased..not that that I'm vindictive but because unless you have rules that you stick to in sport you then run the danger bringing that sport into disrepute.

I also think that his admission to the BBC was pretty damning.Not only did he affect himself but he affected the other athletes on the relay team who hadn't cheated.

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Yes but a judge taking into account the driver needs his car for work is totally different than the driver saying "I need the car for work so you can;t ban me"

In the end he's out of this years olympics so job done :)

Kymmy

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Hmm by that reasoning The Olympics can't mean that much to any nation other than ourselves and Norway, as we are the only 2 nations in the World that ban drug cheats from the Olympics. Not that I am sticking up for him, it's just a pity the rest of the World can't treat cheats in the same way imo

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I agree completely. It seems totally unfair that Chambers can't compete at the Olympics yet there will be athletes there who have also failed drugs tests. And in defence of him, he's one of the few people who have actually admitted their guilt.

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He cheated, he got caught, he admitted it... ban should stand...

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So?What sort of argument is that?Just because other countries aren't so particular is no reason for us to drop our standards.We are an example of true respect for sportsmanship by sticking to this rule.

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I'm not saying that we should drop our standards but that other countries should raise theirs. At the very least there needs to be a level playing field or the Olympics become completely devalued. What's the point of the medal table when some countries are allowed athletes who have been found to take drugs and some countries aren't?

There also seems to be an element of picking on him because he is higher profile. The shot putter Carl Myerscough was also banned for 2 years for taking drugs (and, like most drug cheats, still protests his innocence) yet there was virtually no mention of him when he took part recently in the World Indoor Athletics Championships - all the stick seemed to be reserved for Chambers. And of course let's not forget Linford Christie who is still revered amongst some in UK athletics circles yet was found to have been taking drugs at the end of his career, thus nullifying all his previous achievements.

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But everyone faces the same ban when it comes to the Olympics.Chambers is still free to enter athletic events at national level..just not at Olympic level.:)

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Well everyone from the UK does yes but what about other countries? Don't you think the Olympics become devalued when not all countries are on a level playing field?

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Yes but I cannot see that we can do anything else...It is up to the Olympic committee to instigate such a rule and stick to it...

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Well the IOC abide by the WADA's code. Chambers is allowed to compete according to that, it's just that the BOA have far more stringent rules than anyone else so won't select him. I suppose that allows us to take the moral high ground but it doesn't seem very fair in a worldwide competition.

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:shrug: what can I say to that..you know my viewpoint..it was hardly fair on Chambers team mates who lost out on a gold medal after all.

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:shocked:

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So cheats are still allowed to prosper it seems.:(:td:

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My opinion is unprintable.The Olympics are now as far as I'm concerned completely and utterly demeaned as the vehicle of supreme sport.

Exactly.

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IMHO all drug cheats should have life bans in all sport at all levels.

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:clap:

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All fine saying ban them for life, but what about false starters.. they are in essence trying to cheat.. shall we ban them for a year??

Few other organizations ban for life, I'd hope that he and others will learn a lesson and never do it again after a 5 year ban with perhaps regular tests he pays for to prove that he's not cheating..

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From what I have heard about "False Starts" is it down to reaction times, plus if you flex/adjust you foot it can count as a false start.

Plus nobody is forced to take drugs.

I heard a comedian say prehaps they should have a "Drug cheat" games and let them take all the preformance enhancing drugs and see what records they could beat.

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That is what they should be banned for as I used to run for the local athletics club for a number of years and we had to train without medicinal aids


When you race it is the anticipation of the starter gun after you are told on your marks?

Should all ban for life IMHO

Re: Dwain Chambers set for Olympic verdict
 

I don't think a lifetime ban is necessarily always appropriate but it should be an option depending on the circumstances. As it is, this decision is probably telling some people out there that cheating is worth the risk and that can't be right.

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If it can be definitely proven that whatever they took was intended to give an improvement in performance then a ban is entirely appropriate. I seem to remember, some years ago, that someone had taken a cold remedy that contained a substance that was on the banned list. In that case IIRC it was a genuine mistake.

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Not really as the cheaters once caught get a ban (just not lifetime), no sponsor will ever touch them and their career once athletics is over will go downhill fast. They'll never be an ambassador for their sport or anything else..

Dwain will always have the "cheat" label and has really put a complete stop on his professional career. As long as he's not cheating which he can prove and has served a reasonable ban time then why shouldn't he race?

I wonder how many professional footballers would be left in the game if everyone who took a recreational drug at any time was perm banned??

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People make mistakes. He served his ban, in my opinion he should be given another chance.

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Well money has ruined football so no I expect them to have lower standards. I did and still do expect the Olympics have the highest standards of all.
However the minute they removed amateur status as a requirement was the time they introduced big money into the equation.