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According to the BBC TV news a collapse in revenues and all sorts of financial pressures from overseas means that Brown is now trying to relax the Treasury's financial rules on borrowing as a proportion of GDP. Wasn't it Brown who kept reminding us all that he was the prudent Chancellor and he'd broken the cycle of boom and bust?? :rolleyes:

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he has a short memory os.:rolleyes:

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Things are bad. Yesterday I saw a large lorry belonging to a big garden maintenance company, it was loaded up with old freezers and other scrap.
At this rate we will see the travellers protesting. :p:

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In a Bill Bailey voice
Ah-ha! I saw what you did there! :D

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Well if we let a unelected idiot run the country what do people expect. :rolleyes:


Back to the other Labour policy.

Buy your way to an election with bribes funded by borrowing, Now that the Labour i remember.

Will the last company to go bust please turn of the lights and the clocking on clock.

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As i predicted brownshirt is going to trash this country ready for his election defeat and then labour will bleat on for the next twenty years about evil tory's again. Same old same old and brownshirt was just the same as every labour moron we have had in power just took a bit longer for it to come out and be obvious.

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And just in case anyone is thinking that we are over the worst.
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Start gathering the firewood now, high energy prices together with the expected coldest winter for years will bring things to a head very soon now.

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Yes, forget winters though, I'm afraid we may be in for an Ice Age of Discontent.

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Trouble for us all in the UK is i don't think any of this is registering with brownshirt on any sort of meaningful level. He is like a rabbit stuck in car headlights constanty telling us he is the man to get us through this but not actually doing anything. I don't even think people dying through fear of using energy which is going to be a problem if the winter is as severe as predicted will sting him into any action. All we get no matter what the problem are the same old platitudes of "i'm the man to get us through these difficult times" if i hear that once more i will want to kill the useless prat.

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I don't think it's a case of Brown on the ropes but more a case of New Labour on the ropes as he is simply the person charged with implementing their policies.

Even if he was a more charismatic leader New Labour would still have the same policies that are ruining the country.

Politicians are completely out of touch with the bulk of the electorate and are more interested in their own lifestyle.

Guy Fawkes had the right idea about Parliament as it has become the home for self-seeking politicians.

Roll on November 5th!!

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Certainly the party is in disarray but Brown is more culpable than anyone since he was Chancellor for so long and presided directly over the country's financial affairs, refusing to heed the warning signs and constantly claiming he'd singlehandedly ended the cycle of boom and bust.

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That's true. All I am saying is that replacing Brown won't improve matters as it is the policies, the spin and their general way of working that is the problem.

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I understand what your saying NTL but who was the biggest influence in policy implementation of this labour government from the day they got in one gordon brownshirt. As we all know now he was quite quick to throw his weight around as chancellor to get a policy in or to get something thrown out and for that reason he has a lot more responsibility then would normally apply. Thats also why he squirms so much now when reminded of his record the man is useless as a PM and we can all see now (though some of us saw it a while ago) he wasn't all that good as a chancellor either. He has no one else to blame and if he even conceded that i would have a lot more respect for him but thats never going to happen.

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There is one sure thing that brightens my day and that's the knowledge that no matter how they spin Labour are out at the next election :LOL:.

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Careful Sirius we said that last time and looked what happened never underestimate the goldfishlike attention span of your average british voter m8 it comes back to bite you.

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That seems like a fairly safe bet but I'm more concerned about the damage they will do until then and the effect it will have on all our futures.

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Funny i said the same about the tories in 1997.lol;)

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I can guarantee you that when things start to go wrong for the party that gets in next, that party will play the blame game, just like all the others have done.

So instead of people blaming past, present and future governments, why not just blame the whole pathetic system? That most of us can see hasn't worked since day one!

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Well, he's certainly hit a sticky patch now... :erm:

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Quite.

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Pfft if there is no batman suit i don't call it a protest anymore :).

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If the prospect of a Tory government brightens your day, you'll probably get what you deserve

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In other news, good to see Gordy's magic act going from strength to strength, poof 13000 majority gone, just like that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/7522153.stm

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oh how i laughed when i heard the news this morning :D the labour revolution is over and not before time Gorden Brown should now call a general election so we can sort this mess out quickly, but he won't cos he wouldn't want to be labeled the shortest lasting PM in history, so we will all end up suffering because of his pride. anyone know a :sniper:

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The Glasgow result is just a another nail in the coffin of New Labour, which even the unions admit is dead.

It expresses brilliantly the growing discontent in this country and definitely in Scotland. The SNP must be pinching themselves to check if it's all a dream.

It will be very interesting to see the financial state of the country which is handed over to the next government.

Maybe the new government will start to reclaim back the exorbitant salaries of MPs and ministers who failed to serve the country well.

Or perhaps, in their shame those MPs will voluntarily repay the excess expenses they've claimed.

Then again pigs might fly!! ;)

Just hope that Cameron lives up to his promises and keeps his word with the electorate.

Wonder if Brown's really seeking political asylum in Israel? LOL!!

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This could get him the shove I think.. 2 safe seats lost now!

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I think he's finished after this debacle, I'm a Labour man and always will be a Labour man but Brown is not the man for the job and the Scottish public have let him know he's not the man for the job.

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Brown has well and truly redfined the Midas 'touch' - his version involves brown, sticky, smelly stuff.....

:rofl:

The economy is in a mess, he's losing safe seats, his party is in huge debt and to cap it all he's got zero charisma - can things get any worse for the Steve Mclaren of politics??

Of course if he'd done the right thing and had an election after Bliar resigned he'd never have got himself in this mess because he'd have lost.

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I've added to the thread title, just in case we end up getting a duplicate.

Anyone who's not read Brian Taylor's blog on the BBC website should go and have a look now. Its comments section is a well-known soapbox for all the SNP bravehearts, regardless of the subject they're always there either accusing Taylor of being a closet Labourite or yelling Flower of Scotland at the tops of their voices. They're havng an absolute field day just now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...y_elected.html

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To quote Victor Meldrew "I can't beleeeeeeeeive it!".

I was brought up in Sunny Govan, Glasgow, and people would have voted for a donkey if it wore a Labour rosette - what more evidence does the Labour Party (New or otherwise) need to have to acknowledge they are now disconnected from the electorate?

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Judging by his comments this morning I think Gordon Brown has entered a permanent state of denial....

I think a lot of New Labour knives are going to be sharpened over the summer recess.... :D

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I'd never have guessed it ... is this your long-lost uncle, then?

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:D

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Gordon Brown IS Rab C. Nesbitt :D

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Putting aside how we in the these isles seem to feel about him i am more worried about how it all appears internationally as we all know how well politicians do domestically has an impact on what they can achieve abroad. We now really do look like we have a bigger lame duck then george dubya and who the hell would have ever thought that would happen. He has a simple choice he can call an election (snowballs and hell come to mind) or be ousted by his own party which i don't think will actually do them any good.

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:erm:, that programme romanticed Govan (imho) - it was never that nice, and Rab was obviously of the upper echelon, being in possession of a jacket (not covered in puke). :D

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... and he voted Tory (admittedly because he felt sorry for the candidate). Mind you, 1,639 people in Glasgow East voted Tory last night.

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I would love for Gordon to lead Labour into 3rd place at the next general election, really, it would make my century :)

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:waving::waving:Labour at the next election. .:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Now that would make my day, Year, Life time :)

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Wish he would call an election now

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He can call an election he just won't lol be a bit like the turkeys voting for xmas :D.

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Is there a way an election can be forced (other than the Queen doing so?)

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A successful Commons vote of no confidence in the Government, which would never, ever happen.

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Yeah, I guess it's as if he has been going around killing kittens or anything. Well maybe Labour will force him out

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I am pretty sure we will see a leadership challenge soon but as i said i don't think getting rid of brownshirt now would actually help labour as i think people are more fed up with the party and it's policy's then with brownshirt alone.

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Yes, Whomever takes the leadership will almost certainly be facing defeat. That said it's still a better chance than Brown seems to have at the moment and what Labour MP's will be thinking about is keeping their own seats.

It's worth bearing in mind that under Blair it still looked like Labour would win a fourth term, Labours collapse in support has been under Brown.

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And the pundits will argue for the next 20 years over whether Brown has simpy had a run of rotten luck, or if Blair really was keeping the entire Nu-Lab project on the rails by the force of his personality alone.

However, that's all a little academic. Brown really is on the ropes, and the outlook for UK plc is not good enough for the Great British Public to do anything other than give him the blame when they next get the chance.

It's ironic that just 1,600 people voted Tory in Glasgow East, however the result of that election is the strongest indication yet that the Tories will win power next time around. In time, I guess that will play into the SNP's hands as well though, with their usual diatribes against the remoteness of London (another delicious irony, try asking a Shetlander whether they feel any affinity for Edinburgh).

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I find it interesting that more people in Glasgow East voted Tory than Libdem.

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The Lib Dems were in coalition with Labour in Edinburgh until last year and are a little tainted by association.

I think there's also the factor that the Lib Dems receive a lot of disaffected middle-class protest voters who might otherwise go for the Tories. A fall-off in Lib Dem support is probably a good sign for David Cameron's chances of getting the keys to No.10.

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That's what I was thinking :D

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Originally Posted by Chris T
A fall-off in Lib Dem support is probably a good sign for David Cameron's chances of getting the keys to No.10.

First of all he needs to get back his stolen push bike. So that he can get to No.10 :D

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Nah - he'll be supplied with a chauffer-driven bike if he's PM.
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Labour will already have written off the next election pretty much i guess,all parties need a rest from power as the quote goes "all political careers end in failure" As a labour supporter i do not think they have done as bad as many would suggest,after all the credit crunch started in america,under a government of the right. Mr brown could have no control over that.

Also spending on the nhs has gone up to the european average,a fact not recognised by many. Yes inflation is going up fuelled by things which even the bank of england say is beyond them to control. Gordon browns problem is that he is not a natural communicator,like perhaps alan johnson who perhaps will stand when gordon brown steps down. All in all will mr cameron be any better well he was a spin doctor for carlton tv i read. He is a good talker like tony blair. We will have to wait and see what the substance is in 2010,as i suspect he will be elected. will people be any happier answer i suspect not.

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All politicians are at the mercy of events, however they have some degree of freedom to make contingency plans. Sadly, Gordon Brown doesn't seem to have made any contingency plans. He didn't put any money away for a rainy day when the times were good, and so now, with tax receipts falling and the economy in a tailspin, the Government has almost no room to manoeuvre and is forced into making underhand tax-grabs that would make the Sheriff of Nottingham weep (retrospective tax rises on cars, anyone?).

As for spending on the NHS, well it may well have gone up, but what, exactly, have we received in return for this colossal investment?

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Whatever happens at the next election one thing is for sure, by then the working class people who kidded themselves into thinking that they were middle class will be facing reality like never before.
Don't for one minute think that this is all just a temporary blip, goodwill between the money lenders has been betrayed and that wound is going to take many years to heal and in the meantime borrowing money is going to be like it was years ago, hard to impossible for most people, and that's provided that they are able to keep their job when all around are losing theirs.

I remember a few years ago when people I know bought a new car every year, I see them now, still trying to pretend that they are middle class as they drive their V reg Volvo or their S reg BMW, it obviously takes longer for some people before the penny drops, but drop it will.

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I drive a P reg Citroen Xantia. I have a "white collar" technical job, went to university, earn a decent wage.
Does my car mean I'm not middle class?

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No, the fact that you put chip oil in it means you're not... ;)

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:rofl:

Is that the new class test?
Give someone some veg oil.
If they drink it, they're working class, if they pour it in their car, they're middle class, and if they give it to their butler then they're upper class?

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Well the GP's are happy with their new contract. And the Government get all manner of shiny statistics to play around with.

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What's going to change?, (other than another incompetent greedy bunch of hypocrites moving in).

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Not a leading question, but what alternative would you propose?

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While many of us may agree with what you say Enuff we can only work with the system we have and the sooner labour are out the better sadly i think they will do their usual demolition job of the UK before we get shot of them.

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I think in order to make any changes to the present system, and to have any chance of sorting out the absolute mess that these so-called politicians have left our country in, will need a miracle... Or maybe, just maybe a hell of a lot of motivation and courage from me, you and thousands of others who are fed up with the way everything seems to be going down the pan.

There's just one thing we need to do first though, and that is to take ourselves out of the comfort zone that Governments want us to be in.

Damn! I'm missing Big Brother!!

laterz. ;)

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I have a soft spot for Citroën so I will have to let you off for that. :p:
Mind you, if you had the 2CV6 I saw the other day, looked brand new, you could arrive at the Queens Garden Party in classless style.

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Of course they're happy with it - they get paid a stack more, for less commitment. Not for them the responsibility of providing out-of-hours service, not in our shiny 21st century health 'service'. Not when you can force the unwell - who are, by definition, unwell enough not to be able to wait until the next day to see a doctor - to spend ages camping on the phone to give their details to a nurse working for NHS 24, further ages waiting for a distant GP to phone back and tell them to go to bed and if things don't improve to visit the out-of-hours provision at the 'local' hospital (a 40-mile round trip in our case, which my wife had to make the other week, only to get a row off them for turning up at the 'wrong' hospital because it was run by a different health authority, so they had to fill in the 'out-of-area patient' form as well, poor souls. Apparently the 'right' hospital was the one that's a 55-mile round trip).

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Chris that is really disgusting treatment i hope your complaining because surely thats not right. Gp's have done very well out of this government and it's weak negotiating over the years to the point that many gp's now seem more bothered about targets ad getting home at a good hour then actual patient care.

This is certainly the case with my gp who on one hand lecture's me about not going to see him sooner when there is a problem and then basically chucks me out of his office as i have had my alloted time. Sorry despite what labour say all the time for me since they took power the NHS has declined far worse then it appeared to under the tory's though i dare say the usual suspects will be on now telling me how wrong i am.

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Ah you see, the NuLab mantra is "Choice is best"
I don't care that if I need an operation, I can choose to have it 100 miles away because they give a better chance of success, I want to have the operation at my local hospital and have the best treatment possible.
Likewise with education, I wouldn't want to have to send my kids 20miles away to the best school in the area because I can choose to, I want to send them to the local school and have it just as excellent as all the others.
By giving choice, they're relinquishing responsibility "Didn't get the treatment you wanted? Well you should have chosen differently then. Not our fault you didn't choose to travel 200 miles to better facilities"

Similarly if you give people targets, they'll work to hit those targets, not work to do their job to the best of their ability.
Look at what happened after Tone did his speak to the nation and some woman complained she couldn't get a doctor's appointment for 2 weeks.
New target: No one should wait longer than 48 hours to see their doctor.
Result: You have to phone between 8:30 and 9:00 to get an appointment on the day, if you don't get through then you're not recorded, so doctors hit their target 100% but the level or service has gone down.

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Harriet Harperson has come out with a cracker:
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I can visualise it now...

Aid: President Sarkozy's on the line Mr. Brown.

Brown: What does he want?

Aid: Wants to know if you've any new ideas for stealth taxes that he can pinch to help with his 50 billion Euro budget deficit...

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I just cannot understand how the great pretender Brown has destroyed this country and it's economy in such a short time. Problem now is we have two more years of this brain dead wonder.

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When will they learn and put a muzzle on harriet she has no idea and insists on displaying it publicly.

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They've been doing it for 11 years.
It's only until recently that other forces have gotten so bad that the natual movement of the economy is showing up their mishandling whereas before the previous boom covered for them.

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It kind of looks like Brown has been left holding the can. Where's Tony hiding out these days?

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Trouble is Enuff brownshirt doesn't even have that defence as when blair was pm brown threw his weight around so much on policy he can't deny his involvement one of the reasons people have had enough. You can tolerate a fool while things are good but if they turn bad then the people turn faster.

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Blair seen what was coming as probably did the cabinet, the so called house price crisis, northern rock, economy downturn all still would have happened, economies run in cycles and if you hit the good part you just lucky. What is different with blair he can feed us the spin with much more skill and I dont think he would have done any kind of U turn on the 10p tax issue and as such would have came out looking stronger.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7528513.stm

How long before someone else puts their head above the parapet?

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If he goes though we will just get another unelected (by us) mouthpiece and not a lot will change. i think if they oust brownshirt which is looking more likely by the day it is time for a general election.

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Even the Labour Party recognises this - it's the biggest reason, within the party, for *not* sacking Brown. If he is replaced, the demands for an election would be so loud, and so persistent, that the country would become effectively ungovernable until it had happened. And the way things are now, Labour would probably lose that election.

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I think the only thing timing will do for the labour party in a general election is affect the scale of the defeat not the fact they wil lose it. I dare say many labour mp's are weighing up that very problem as we speak.

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That, as well as who will lead them. They will be worried about losing their seats more than losing power at the moment and might want a candidate who would reduce the losses.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...re-879414.html

Apparently though Jack Straw isn't plotting against him and is "absolutely convinced" Gordon Brown should remain Prime Minister...

Well that endorsement almost guarantees Brown's fate is sealed....

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Good riddence to him.
And the labour party as a whole.
How on earth we get a prime minister that isn't even voted for by us "the public" yet he gets elected for so many years is beyond me.

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Just lucky I guess, like the Royals.

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Yes but at this moment in time they are not destroying this country and it's reputation unlike Brown the pretender.

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And the Queen has a much stronger sense of duty towards the nation and her subjects than the last two PM's have had.

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can't we call on the queen to call a general election, then if she care's and has the sense of duty towards her country like you say then surely she should react accordingly :confused:

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Well I suppose we can always dream....... :)

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Under our constitution i don't think the queen can force an election and frankly thats not her style.

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Ahh well we'll have to leave it to all those worried New Labour plotters out there... :D

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The Government is elected by the General Public, not the Prime Minister.

The Queen is not elected and is very well rewarded for her "sense of duty towards her country".

The Queen is duty bound to act on the advise of her ministers so can't really sack GB.

Acting on the Queen's behalf the Gov General of Australia did sack the (acting?) Prime Minister of Austrlia in the 70s but there was a whole different set of circumstances involved.

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Sadly as someone said if they get rid of brownshirt they will have to hold an election as the public outcry will be to large to ignore and that may be the only thing that saves brownshirt. Comforting isn't it that we will have a leader of the country with no clue no solutions and no real power amongst his own mp's for possibly another two years were i a foreign country right now that wanted a deal out of britain i would strike hard and fast and get what i wanted.

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Brown is at it again. :p:
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My supermarket will be busy, putting all the new prices on the products. :erm:

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Brown wont walk,

There's two years to the next GE. He'll stay and hope things are better by then.

This is the guy who has waited 10years to be PM, shunned an election when he knew there was a chance he might lose (I think he would have won - then)

It's Labour tax and spend. We didn't notice because the economy was good for 10 years (bequeathed to Mr Brown from Mssers Major & Clark).

However. when the S**t met the fan he has no money saved to help out. We have war on two fronts, we've (as usual) ploughed billions into the NHS unchecked. and everything else they've miscalculated.

If they'd been prudent during the good times we'd have some money in the kitty to reduce the tax of fuel -but the cupboard is bare.

I predict two more years of spending & borrowing to try and win votes, a Tory victory, realisation the economy is in the sh***r, hard choices to me made by the Tories to get the economy back shape, everybody blaming the Tories for the current situation when it was Labour who royally screwed it up.

Sound familiar anyone over 38?????????????

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Hold on it sounds familiar to me and i'm 35, but your right give it 3 years when the Tories have been in a year and everyone will blame them as most can't remember further back than yesterday.:D
Brown should step down now and Labour be forced to hold a general election why should they be allowed to put 2 non-voted, unwanted idiots in.
bear in mind though if brown does step down, we could either end up with Harriet (should be mussled) Harmon , Alister (the fake) Darling or even worse David (i'm not listening) Miliband
None of which have, could or would be able to prove themselves worthy or competant for the PM postion, yet if GB did stand down we would end up with one of them.:mad:

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Thats why it is going to take a lot more then a change of leader for labour to turn things round we don't like brownshirt and we don't like any of the alternatives.

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I'm certain Brown will want to stay but he may not have a choice. Let's face it Milliband's recent statements when asked to endorse Brown as leader were rather less than fulsome weren't they. New Labour MP's have a choice - dither like their 'leader' for another 2 years and lose the next election or get shot of Brown asap and pray that his successor changes their fortunes. I think the latter option is the more likely right now.

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David Miliband is playing a very clever he's puting doubt in peoples minds about Brown's leadershi pgetting journalists in a dissy about a leadership contest but without saying it in direct fashion so when the times that Brown has to go he will be the strongest candidate

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Like people need 'doubt' put in their minds, his performance as PM has done far more to achieve that doubt than any mind game ever could

Re: Brown on the ropes? [Update - Labour loses Glasgow East By Election]
 

If they change leader AGAIN then no if's or buts we should have an election and thata will be the overwhelming cry from the public. Ignore that and whoever takes over is on a loser people were soured by brownshirt just walking into the job they won't accept it a second time.

Re: Brown on the ropes? [Update - Labour loses Glasgow East By Election]
 

Miliband is a fool if he goes for the leadership because Labour are going to lose the next General Election and he won't want to be the losing leader of the party I'm sure.It would kill his political career.I think they will keep Brown for that reason.

Re: Brown on the ropes? [Update - Labour loses Glasgow East By Election]
 

So, replace brown with a lame duck stool pidgeon, call an election, lose, new leadership contest, hope to get back on track for the next election?
To be honest, I can't think of anything better they could try.
Course this presumes they won't be knocked into 3rd place by the libdems at the next GE, which for some reason (no not just because NuLab suck so much), I don't think would be a bad thing for parliment and politics.

Re: Brown on the ropes? [Update - Labour loses Glasgow East By Election]
 

:clap:

Re: Brown on the ropes? [Update - Labour loses Glasgow East By Election]
 

I don't think we should forget that New Labour are facing total meltdown under Brown at the next election. Under such circumstances getting shot of him sooner rather than later could appeal to a large number of his ministers and MPs if only as the least worst option. Cast your minds back to the days of Thatcher and Major - who really thought he'd win the 1992 election after the Tory party turned on her in 1990??