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Any guys into UFC here?

Just a reminder that UFC:86 is on tonight. Its free on Setanta live from 3am.

Who do you fancy for the main event?

I like Griffin better but I think Jackson will get it. He's looking so fearsome since he started working on his boxing. Unless Griffin can trap him into submission, I don't think he stands a chance.

Looking forward to seeing Gonzaga on the undercard. He's a class fighter.

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I do not watch it but I practice freestyle now once a week :)

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what's UFC? :dunce:

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*** ******* **** hehe

i think jackson will win in the 3rd round via knockout

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Its mixed martial arts. Its like boxing but with kicking, choke holds, elbowing, kneeing, etc. There's quite a few good vids on youtube if you search for UFC.

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Its real good fun too lol
Not last Monday but the Monday before I think I pulled off the best move since I been playing with it . I went for a leg lift so my mate dropped his weight down I slipped off his leg and into a headlock I made myself fall backwards twisting as I fell causing him to land on his back with me on top punching him in the head priceless lmao

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Some people call it 'real' wrestling ;)

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Good stuff :)

I do wish I could take part in it. I'd love to spar with you one day but i'd be useless :) I did karate as a kid, I really wish i'd stuck through with it now. I'd probably be a 3rd dan black belt or something.

Noone else watched it though? I was possibly one of the best UFC matches i've seen in a long time.

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I just use my knowledge of kick boxing for the closed hand and leg work and the various kung fu styles I used to do for the open hand grappling and locking I could do with some more grappling experience though :)

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Will Brovo show it at some point?

UFC is much better and more skillfull than boxing IMO

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Recorded all ready to be watched tonight at a sensible hour with my eldest who's really into karate now. Can't wait !!!!

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HAs BRAVO stoped showing The UFC? Havent seen it for ages?

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Nope, there's still quite a bit on there. Mainly older stuff though. You can see their mini-site here: http://www.bravo.co.uk/ufc/

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The fight between Griffin and Jackson was awesome. What a match!!

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http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...=90&h=120&ro=0
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C. Lebenhttp://www.ufc.com/images/spacer_eventBlock.gif

Big fight this weekend.

Really looking forward to it. My money is on Bispin but the guy who he is fighting is very good. :)

Be a very good test. ;)

Also

http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...=90&h=120&ro=0
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Randy will give this WWF fighter a lesson in real fighting. :D

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I'm assuming you didn't know Lesnar was a celebrated amateur wrestler before he joined WWE? ;)

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And i assume you don’t know Randy the natural Couture? :cool:

We are not talking about pantomime we are talking UFC! :D

Joking apart randy is a very strong proven fighter and will give a lesson to fighters coming from a wrestling background. ;)

I know you’re a wrestling and will disagree. ;)

Sorry just read your post again WWEeeeeeeeeee

Whats the diffrence?

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Amateur wrestling is legit. It's very much like ju-jitsu.

Kurt Angle is a former amateur wrestling gold-medalist and former pro-wrestling champion - and he could teach some UFC guys a thing or two. He wrestled 5 to 6 times a week, every week for 8 years.

A different word for starters.

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Is ju-jitsu populer in the UK? Thinking of talking my lad to leassons when he is old enougth.

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Yes and its what the Gracies used to practice. After they started all this UFC stuff and god how they did it years ago makes the new fights look soft

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Brock Lesnar may have been a wrestler but I've seen him fight on UFC and he looked awesome.

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I have seen hime fight, his opponents where weak compared to Randy.

Wait and see and post told you so if he wins. ;)

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My only concern is that Randy is very old now. Could prove a disadvantage.

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For those who haven't seen:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Gh5W...eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lncl1k...eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fygzfe...eature=related

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Few men look as intimidating as him from just standing there. He looked deadly in his last fight.

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Agree - extremely powerful and mobile. I reckon he's got far too much for the 45 year old Couture to cope with.

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You have to give randy a pat on the back for still fighting at 45!! :erm:

I just hope it does not end his career. :(

My monies is still on Randy.

What about Bisping do we think he will win?

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Well with UFC there's always the chance of a shock. I hope Bisping wins - there aren't too many British fighters out there.

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He has the potential to be world champion.
He is an unorthodox fighter.

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Been watching more of Brock on You Tube………à ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â ‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬ ¦He is brutal. :erm:

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He has phenomenal strength - in one of his WWE matches he scooped up a 7 foot tall man weighting 35 stone and managed to throw him :eek:

I have to say the only thing Randy's got going for him is experience. Brock has the potential to equal or better him in every other factor.

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I know who my money's on - Lesnar.

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Lets have a gentalmens bet then ;) :D

Good luck.

Shame we have to wait till November.

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Not sure how popular Ju-Jitsu is but my eldest has been doing Karate for just over 2 years and it's transformed him. Aside from the obvious self defence and fitness benefits of regular physical training, it's made him far more self confident and he now acts as a Sempai for the lower and equivalent grades.

I'd recommend martial arts to parents who feel their children would benefit but it's vital to find the right instructor/club - some seem to be run very commercially, almost as money making after school child minding clubs whereas others treat the whole thing with the seriousness and professionalism it deserves. Our club takes children from the age of 6 and amongst the younger ones I'd guess the mix is about 20% girls and 80% boys.


Re the Lesnar v Couture bet - How about £10 to charity?

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My son is 3 in November what age do you think I can start him up at? I was thinking ASAP but not sure if it’s too early. :confused:

How do you know if it’s a qualified club? Do they have to have a licence?

£10………………………. :tired:That’s big money where I’m from. How would one know you paid it? oops:

Also I feel odds may be on you for the win. :bsmack:

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3's a bit young I'd have thought but all good clubs will be registered in some way and properly licenced and affiliated. It might take you quite a while to find a good club local to you but there's nothing to stop you visiting a few to see what you think about the way they operate. Avoid those who go for the 'hard sell' with a bargepole!!!! Also it'd be worth checking out other martial arts to see if you can find something your lad has a genuine affinty for. Those clubs which are really serious about their sport will not allow anyone they think is too young or unsuitable to join. We first made soundings about our club 2 years before joining and our lad has to be licenced annually.

Re the bet - Sorry, didn't mean to be presumptuous. Perhaps a wager is a bad idea. I'm happy to donate the money anyway and if you want to you can stump up whatever you can afford to the charity of your choice. I think we trust eachother either way ;)

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Thanks for the advice. I thinck I will wait till he is 4 - 5 then. :tu:

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Teach him at home. I taught Bethia self defence from a very early age. I taught her how to punch kick elbow and knee with power and technique. As for the grappling side of it rough house with him so he gets strong but dont hyper extend joints for many years

Ive done many years various martial arts full contact kickboxing and freestyle as well as a sports kung fu and a traditional style kung fu. IME if your child will listen learn and not mess around take him to a sports style of any kung fu, karate or TKD as this will teach him disapline to start and will give me a start on his technique. Move him on to other styles as he gets older but keep him out of full contact till he is an adult.Mixing martial arts to develope your own style is what I always recommend :)

Ground work is great and works well in UFC but if you are in a street fight and your opponant has his mates around you need to stay on your feet ;)

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If you do decide to do any teaching at home be sure to wear one of these:

http://www.paragonmartialarts.co.uk/...rotection.html

I wear mine all the time, just for effect.... :D

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:rofl::rofl:

I will not influence my son it hitting anywhere near that pressure point!!

:D

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Meanwhile, back to UFC...;)

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Yeah sorry about that!

Come on the Bisping! :angel:

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Took me a while to find it but just to outline Lesnar's strength, the man he's wrestling is 7 feet tall and 35 stone...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-K30gm2OFhY

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I must admit I'm no fan of all that choreographed stuff - skilful as it is. But there's no doubt these guys are incredibly fit, strong and professional. I much prefer to see real contests however and can't wait to see Lesnar in real action again.

One thing does strike me though in UFC, you see quite a lot of take downs in which the attacker drives forward very low and grabs the legs of the opponent. Why don't more fighters use the knee shot as a defence in situations like this?



Ps.

Just to let you all know, Lesnar looks a bit like me when I've let myself go for a bit ..... :D

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Simple answer is because if you miss with the knee you will be off balance taken down harder and be less likely to be able to get a quick floor guard in place

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All the more reason not to miss then.. :D

Seriously though, there are lots of moves and strikes which if unsuccessful leave the fighter very vulnerable. I've seen so many take downs of the type described above and never seen a single knee strike defence attempted. I'd wondered if the knee strike to the head might be illegal in UFC but am sure I've seen it used in upright stance.

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its not illegal in what i do ;)

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Perhaps we'd best not get into that eh?? :D

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Well Bisping won at a canter and certainly taught Chris Leben a lesson in tactics.

Thought the Chris Lytle v. Paul Taylor fight was awesome and very close even though the final decision was unanimous. Taylor took a lot of good shots but looked a lot fresher than Lytle at the end. He looks a good prospect.

Luiz Cane v. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou was another intersting bout - Sokoudjou looked really impressive until he was caught with a punch and stopped shortly thereafter.

Keith Jardine wasn't his normal self in beating Brandon Vera but he got caught with a nasty kick to his previously injured left knee early on which clearly affected him.

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bisping was great! had a bet with my best mate (who was actually there last night) that he would win!!! he was not impressed that I was right!! I am a complete novice after all!!

Sokou was pretty cool! thought he was doing reallyh well until the end when it went a bit downhill!

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At last night's weigh-in, Couture was 220lb, Lesnar was 265lb :eek:

Couture had better rely on his experience because Lesnar has got the edge in everything else. If they end up on the floor and Lesnar is on top....it ain't gonna be pretty.

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Size ain't everything ;)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hHKdoVTpLYY

What Lesnar has in presence, The Natural will at least match it in technique. My money's on Couture.

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It's not just size, it's weight and youth. Lesnar isn't bad with technique either, he has an accomplished amateur wrestling background.

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Result from last night...

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Oh, thought this was a thread on Ukrainian Fried Chicken.... which I have yet to taste! :D

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1226838685

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I love the way the announcer is wearing bunny ears for that pic.

Yeah it did go on a bit but if he cut it short then he'd get heat for it, I'm guessing he tried to let go on for as long as possible without creating a disappointment. Didn't really change the outcome though.

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When Brock got him down and started pounding on his head with those hammer strikes, he hit Couture 40 times straight, one after the other :spin:

What was the ref waiting for, a sign from Heaven?

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Brock Lesnar was always going to win this one. Couture at his peak would've had a hard time living with him.

I think I've won a bet somewhere........ :D

My eldest and I were at a karate competition at the weekend. The weight categories were OK except for the fact that the top category was above 55kg which meant there was a massive difference between some of the fighters in that single category.

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Just found this, don't know how long it'll be there for...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jBjnxWz0jPY

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Yes you won the bet!! ;) I will make a donation to a charity.

When its heavy weight fights is there no limit to your weight?

As for the hammer fisting I have seen fighter recover hence the reason the reff did not stop it.

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40 of them. From a monster like Brock?

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Towards the end he started to use his elbow into the face :eek:

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What about the wight thing? I can see that show man from WWF in the the UFC next.

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If that's the strike I'm thinking of, Randy moved his head down a bit and that caused Brock's elbow to come in to contact with it.

As for Paul Wight, he wouldn't last 60 seconds. He's slow and if you watch him in the ring he's always blown up within 2 minutes.

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So will I :tu:

IIRC no limits to weight at heavyweight - which can make it rather difficult for the smaller guys. It's the same in boxing - just compare Mike Tyson with some of the giants like George Foreman at his peak. That puts into persective how good Tyson was at his best though.

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Thing with Brock is he's cocky. That's not neccessarily a bad thing as long as he can control it. I agree he'll have those spade-like hands on the belt for a long time but he doesn't want to get careless.

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Lesnar still has a way to go to improve his technique. He's not the lumbering giant he was when he lost to Mir, but I still think he is too vunerable to dominate. He's got power and aggression, but needs fine tuning.

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The thing with sports like this is that one careless slip can mean it's goodnight Vienna so Lesnar will have to be careful not to lose concentration especially in fights in which he's the clear favourite.

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Another former WWE champion, Bobby Lashley makes his UFC debut - and he's massive too. Shame it's over so quickly.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkkNj-yoDc

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Not to be pedantic but that's the American Fight League, not UFC. Nice win though.

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Will be a good one this weekend.

Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans = Evans win I think

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir = Mir with easy win I’m sure.

Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson = Be a very close fight and cannot pick.

Looking forward to this one as much as I want griffin to win I don’t think he will.

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I've underlined who I think will win.

Griffin: A lot tougher than he looks Who thought he'd beat Jackson? He dealt with him very well, no reason he can't do the same with Evans.

Mir: Tough, and very good all rounder. So is Noguiera, but I think Mir is the younger upstart with a good record.

Silva: Tough one to call, but I think Silva's BJJ will out match Jackson's boxing.

Dollaway: The guy is just an animal. I've never seen anyone tear people apart with such controlled aggression.

Kongo: Don't really know about this one, but the guy who is coached by Bisping which is good enough for me.

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The best thing about the UFC is that its so unpredictable, unlike boxing.

As for the Griffin I cannot see him beating Evans. Did you see his last knockout? Wow that guy has power.

I'm sure his last fight was Liddell?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAyiYt9m70

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I did see it. Power is nothing without precision. I don't think Griffin will get dropped that easy.

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Was not far off being a fullhouse!!

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Just been watching UFC 94. Some awesome fights. Gorges St Pierre destroyed BJ Penn in 4 - Penn looked a bit flabby I must say but all credit to him for surviving the full 4 rounds before it was stopped.

Best of the rest was Lyoto Machida who made the previously unbeaten Thiago Silva look like a novice. Machida was as awesome in defence as he was in attack, avoiding any serious strikes whilst picking off Silva at ease.

Jon Jones beat Stephan Bonnar well - at 21 he looks an awesome prospect.

Karo Parisyan beat Dong Hyun Kim on a split decision which I felt should have gone the other way.

All in all a great show.

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lb for lb no one will be able to beat Gorges St Pierre. He in great form, even Matt Hughes in his prime would not be able to beat him.

Totally dominated Penn.

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Anyone else see Lesnar destroy Mir last night? It's going to take a bullet to stop Brock now. Wonder if Mir will give pro wrestlers the respect they deserve now, after getting his buttocks handed to him on a plate by the former WWE champion.

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Russ I have to admit being a big BJJ fan and I was a wrestler hater, the tide is turning and wrestlering is getting respect it deserves.
Very good fight by Broc I cannot see anyone taking if out only Cain Velasquez has a chance IMO

Did you see the Bisping fight? :shocked:

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I didn't watch any of the rest of it - I'm not so much a UFC fan as a 'Lesnar fan'. After hearing UFC and its fans slagging off wrestling I'm enjoying watching Brock destroy everyone in his path. I enjoyed his 'heel' promo at the end, that was some of his WWE days showing through, although his grovelling apology after slagging off the show's sponsor was pretty funny :D

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No - since Setanta went belly up... :(

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Slagging of the sponsor was not a sensible move.

I have to ask Russ what is it that you don’t like about The UFC? Compared to (Pantomime IMO) wreserling? :confused:

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UFC matches can be boring - the 1st round of Lesner/Mir is a good example. In other matches, get a good shot in early and the fight is over. If I watch something like that I want to be entertained too. In pro-wrestling you're getting that.

In 99% of UFC matches, with the build-up there's always 'trash talk' between the fighters but as the match starts they touch gloves, and hug afterwards. OK that's sportsmanship and I can respect that but it makes all the trash-talk mean nothing. I want emotional attachment to a UFC fight. I want to know that the 2 guys genuinely hate each other.

I've never seen that in a UFC match - except in Lesnar/Mir. OK I don't think Lesnar hates mir but he hated the fact that Mir won their first encounter. Lesnar admits to being a bad loser. In all the build-up mir BS'd about all these technical moves that Brock couldn't do, even going as far as saying once he beats him he'll explain the move to him after the match.

Well Mir was right, Lesnar didn't do anything technical, he just held him down and pounded the brown stuff out of him.

OK in WWE the guys don't (usually) really hate each other but if they're professional enough they'll make you think they do. There's a reason why these 2 guys are fighting, it's not just something thrown together to make money. The crowd have a reason to pay to be there. Again, there's an emotional attachment. There might be an element to it in UFC matches but nowhere near the same level as in pro-wrestling.

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I think that Lesnar needs to remember he doesn't need to do that heel/face stuff any more. WWE shouldn't come into this, its totally different. WWE = theatre, UFC = sport. Its like saying Sylvester Stallone should be a good goalkeeper. Lesnar is an accomplished collegiate wrestler (which IS a sport, unlike pro wrestling).

I not sure the win for Lesnar was that good for the UFC. When Mir beat him the first time it was with a brilliant mixture of experience and technique. Lesnar just proved that's useless when you weigh close to 20st, just lie on them so they can't breath or move and then punch them in the face. Eventually the ref will stop the match. I suppose it was good to watch though which is the point. I loved at the start of the second round when Mir was smiling but parts of his face were in different places :)

Gutted about Bisping, but I think we all saw this coming. We hoped his cockiness was all for show and then when he needed to he'd be a professional. During TUF9 I had my doubts and was vindicated. He just didn't turn up for the fight. He was seriously knocked-out though. I just hope it makes him knuckle down. I know there's an excellent fighter in there.

I'm looking forward to seeing Anderson Silva v Forrest Griffin and Couture matches, but beyond that there doesn't seem to be any really good matches unless they are TBA.

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Fair point it’s like Sanchez fighting Randy it would never happen.

As for Bisping did you hear his corner warning him he will get right hook if he keeps dodging right, he shouted ‘alright calm down’
No symphony from me back to UKMMA for him. OK That’s a little unfair but who would you put him against now? .

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@Russ

How can you say The UFC is boring compared to wresering? I guess as its real you don’t get the theatre of entertainment.

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I agree he shouldn't have to do it - and in the Couture match he was totally different because he treated Brock with respect and as a professional. Take sly digs and unnecessary potshots at Lesnar and you're going to have one extremely p'd off man in the ring. Couture put over Brock's abilities yet still said he was going to beat him - that's how pros do it. But Mir took it to a different level and Lesnar responded to it.

In any case his 'heel' promo after the fight was an excellent piece of business. UFC fans now want to see someone beat him even more. That's one of the big selling points of WWE events. It might not be the best PR exercise but from a ticket-selling point of view it will do wonders for UFC. Chris Eubank and Naseem Hamed did something similar in the 90s, they might not have been popular but the buy-rates hit the roof because people wanted to see someone knock them down.

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I didn't say it's boring - but it CAN be boring. Imagine you pay £50 for a ringside seat and all matches end with a knockout in the first round, you're going to feel a bit short-changed. OK it's unlikely to happen but there's no guarantee you're going to be entertained. I also think WWE guys are mentally and physically tougher than UFC fighters but that's a different story I guess.

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Was the Bisping punch out of order?

IMO thats what The UFC is all about, ok the ref was slow but hendo did no wrong IMO

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Anyway, I'm looking forward to Lesnar v Fedor - and I think we all know that has to happen :)

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Would be great but never happen for as long as Lesnar is in The UFC. Fior some reason Dana White is not intrested in Fedor, and Fedor is not intrested in the UFC. :(

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Oh you didn't know?? ;)

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/249438579.php

If Brock keeps destroying big names then Fedor will have no option but to take him on - at this rate within a year they will be the top 2 names in MMA style fighting.

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OMG last fight with affection!!!!

Now that would be the fight of all fights!!

Glade to see you getting into it Russ! :tu:

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Well I've not said I dislike UFC, just that I'm more of a Brock fan than a UFC fan. If he moved to a different organisation I'd follow him there too. But pro-wrestling will always come first for me ;)

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You're looking at it from the WWE not perspective, not the UFC/sport perspective. There is always a bit of trash talk between fighters to ramp the match up. However Brock is taking it to panto levels as with his previous job. It doesn't work like that in professional sports. I'm sure someone took him to one side after the match and explained it to him. I'm guessing that refusing to touch gloves was all part of he panto in his mind, but its an extreme lack of respect. It only happens when there is extreme genuine bad blood between fighters. Its not done for fun.


It depends on if you want to see entertainment or sport. I personally would rather see 6 fighters really go at it and end 3 matches in 3 mins with a knockout than watch 45 mins of people rolling around trying to submit each other without really trying with the matches going to points. BTW, the ringside seats for the UFC at the O2 in 2008 were £150 :shocked:

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I think you're missing the point - Brock wasn't hamming it up, he genuinely disliked Mir because of the way he was disrespecting Lesnar in the build-up. As I said, Couture treated him like a professional and Lesnar acted like one back.

At WWE level the wrestlers don't just 'roll around'. There's an entertainment factor which cannot be guaranteed in legtimate contact sports.

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I wasn't talking about WWE, I was talking about UFC.

BJJ is an accepted martial art and has a place in UFC, but can be boring to see 2 accomplished BJJ fighters go straight to a takedown/clinch and then spend the entire round trying to submit each other. The ref will sometimes stand them up if its a stalemate, but more often than no they go straight back down again. Its competitive, but not exciting.

I would always want to see a short, exciting match than a long, boring one.

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Me too but why not a long exciting one? The Lesnar/Mir opening round was pretty abysmal really.

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Because its sport, not entainment. If its sporting then then the sportsman has to give 100%. If he is going to pull punches in order to prolong a fight then its not a sport. That's where WWE comes in.

Also there is a lot of money at stake - $250,000 a match. It can't be put to chance.

Regarding the Lesnar/Mir match - granted there wasn't much technique but at least there was a bit of action.

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Excellent article here, summing it up better than I ever could: http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/inde...&mode=threaded

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Your kidding right?

If that’s your opinion then………………..Go back to WWF. :D

I thought it was a top fight Mir was a mess at the end. :)