internet, ps3 and xbox 360 wireless router help
 

ok so im sick of having to stop online gaming for someone wanting to use the internet:mad: I dont know much about wireless so if possible could someone post a list of things I would need to help solve this problem thank you!:)

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Are you on Virgin media's cable service?

We ideally need to know if your on cable or Adsl to help with reccomendations.

Am I right in thinking at the moment you connect directly to the internet but want a router so that you can for instance have your xbox online at the same time as the pc?

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yes you are correct, im on cable V+ box with a 255 virgin modem? its annoying having to keep swapping the ethernet cable from 1 thing to another, could do with having everything connected at the same time so everyone is happy. thanks for any help.

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You need a cable/dsl router. make sure it's a cable/dsl router and not an dsl/Adsl router, the cable/dsl routers often have a standard network port (rj45) for the wan (internet) port to connect to an existing modem where as the ADSL/Dsl only ones have a built in ADSL modem to connect to a phoneline.



Personally i'd probably go for one with wireless even if you never use the wireless becuase

1) they aren't much more expensive, in fact because they are more common they are sometimes cheaper than ones without wireless!

2) You can always turn the wireless part off if your not using it but at least then it's there if you later decide you want it.


Personally I quite like the linksys WRT54GL (or the very simular WRT54G) and I suspect some of the others here will say the same. The only difference between the G and the GL is the GL is more customisable as there are other Firmware's for it (firmware being the software that controls the router) which add new features such as the ability to stop one person hogging the whole connection :)

Of course there are lots of comptable routers out there, and if you see one you like as long as you can tell us the make and model i'm sure someone here will be able to confirm that it will work or not.



Basically what you will do is Buy your choosen router.

Power down the Virgin modem.

Connect the Modem to the socket on the router labeld "Wan" or "Internet"

Connect your pc either via wireless or to one of the ports (sockets) on the back (usually labeled 1-4) (depening if you want it cabled or wireless, if its close to the router i'd suggest having it cabled, it usaually works better)

Do the same for the xbox.

Turn it all on and hopefully you should be back online.

Then all thats left is for you to login to the router and either Turn off wireless (if your not using it) or setup some security to stop your neighbours/passes by using your wireless. (It's usually done by visiting the routers setup pages with your internet browser, and again if you need help i'm sure there will be someone around here that can guide you though it)

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thanks for the reply, I might aswell go with what you recommend!:)

Ill be back with problems setting it up soon no doubt haha!

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If your not in a rush wait and see what the others say first.

They may have a more sutible reccomendation.

For me the Wrt54GL works wanders but the first thing I did with mine was put one of the unofficall unsupported firmware's on it since I wanted the traffic management capablities.

It might be worth seeing who's got what on offer.

Generally Netgear and Linksys is usually quite good, I think d-link are ok since they revamped their user interface (D-link routers used to be horrible to setup)

With regards to the linksys It's only worth paying the extra for the wrt54GL model if you plan on playing with the firmware In my opinon as far as I know with the standard Linksys firmware they are the same in terms of functionality.

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Is the WRT54GS any good?

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The WRT54GS is very simular to the WRT54GL the only main difference being with the WRT54GL you can get unofficall firmwares that add features where quite often with the WRT54GS you cannot.

This is because the L is based on Linux and has slightly more Flash memory (the memory that holds the firmware)

the S is based on Vxworks and has a smaller Flash.

But based on the questions you've asked I'd expect that you maybe wouldn't be intesrested in playing around with the firmware and therefore the wrt54GS should do the job nicely. :)


Edit:

It might be worth checking which broadband package your one as I noticed some are now being offerd with "Free wireless router" so if your luckly you might be able to get one out of virgin ;)

From other threads here I think it's a Netgear they are sending out so should be a fairly decent router.

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2

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thanks for your help dragon, Ive got everything set up now, pc and ps3 wireless but kept the xbox wired and everything seems fine! Going to get another pc set up in another room now, might aswell make the most of the wireless;)

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Yep.

May I suggest setting the secuirty on the router (wireless) to WPA-PSK if you haven't already?

Then all you should need to do is put the matching passcode into the ps3/pc and away you go.

The wpa passcode can be set to pretty much anything you like, but it's advisable not to set it to something in the dictionary or something thats going to be easy to guess.

WEP secuirty can be broken quite easily if someone really wanted to and it's a good idea to have some secuirty set on the router to stop your neighbours or passers by from connecting to your wireless.

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yeah funny that you mention that because when I was scanning for the router I found someone elses aswell as mine so yeah ive done what u suggested:)

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make sure the router you buy has the xbox360 logo.
then but the xbox'es ip outside the dmz/firewall :D

do the same with the ip of the PS3

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Rubbish....

Firstly the OP has already bought a router, secondly providing UPNP is working you shouldn't need to DMZ the console at all.

Thirdly having the xbox logo means diddly squat.

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well sorry you seem to disagree:p:
but i have had that set-up for over six months and not had one single bit of trouble with xbox360,ps3 or three laptops:D

and its a dam sight easier than port forwarding games.
and setting each bit of kit its own ip also adds to the security because there are no free ip's to allocate within the range you set :D

PS. haven't had a dropped connection on my wifi for months and in my area everybody has wifi.

so if thats rubbish :rofl:

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Upnp in the consoles sorts out the portforwarding for you, ;)
Static IP addressing may or may not stop someone like all secuirty it depends on what they know and how determined they are.

DMZ only works for a single device also. ;)

For arugment sake i've had 3 xbox 360's participate in halo3 matches over xbox live on my previous 8128kps down 448 kps connection using a voyager 2110 router and allowing Upnp to handle the port mappings

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Linksys (most models)

Some of the Wireless G range of Linksys routers have had NAT issues for sometime now, recently Linksys have released new firmware for some models that fix these issues, therefore I suggest you download and use the latest version of firmware and reset the router back to factory defaults and check the outcome of the NAT status

well i tried all the above you mention and with both belkin and linksys(which was a nightmare). and hosting was a problem,live chat and connecting to live was also trouble.
ps3 was just a useless black box that is now giving my brother more trouble than its worth:D
but as we have both shown there are many ways of setting up a router you just have to find what is best for your home network.
love forums and the transfer of good ideas:D

---------- Post added at 00:13 ---------- Previous post was yesterday at 23:48 ----------

just had a chat with son and he has a few friends from the USA.
they are saying if you can get linksys router made for the USA market as these have a fare better options and better firm wire upgrades.
and will work over here in the uk....his mate is shipping one over for us so will keep you informed.
Here's a list of best linksys routers with firm wire ver for xbox live they sent him.
BEFSR41 (v3)1.04.8
BEFW11S4 (v4)1.45.3, 1.50.14
WRT54G 2.02.7

WRT55AG (v2) 1.30

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WRT54GL with tomato gets my vote.

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every time, only heard good things about the tomato firm wire.
some of the lads on CoD4 where talking about that earlier today:D
going on a mission on google and have a read up on it.:D

PS. just got backside kicked by wife on mario kart:(

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look at linksysinfo.org theres some modified versions there that can track upto 8k connections across the nat, the mod by vitek is pretty good as well.

I'm actually on Adsl but Ive got a DG834 v4 set to Bridge (modem only) and then using the WRT54GL as my router becuase I like some the features that i've not found a decent Equivelent to in the Adsl Modem/router all in one units.

Mine's doing QOS, Internal DNS, DNS caching (set to around 8K), DHCP server, NAT and Firewall (Some machines have certian port-ranges filtered and L7 filters in place)

And i've yet to have any problems :)

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been reading up on the two versions of linksys routers ones for the USA market and the ones they send over to the UK. we seem to be getting the ruff end of the pine apple.
but most usa routers work over here. can't wait for my sons new router to show up.
been trying out a new set-up today.
linksys wrk54g with xbox(wired) and wii(wifi) no firewall just mac filter.
then my belkin router connected to that with just the wifi for three laptops firewall on, mac filter on with wpa.
seems very stable and the xbox360 has no lag and hosting seem far better (reported from son).
but this is on a 20mb connection.
all it took was a bit of ip jigging on linksys and all works great.
all done for a test my mate was having trouble with xbox on the linksys but im finding it ok:D

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now i want to stick with the two router setup but want to use Qos on the xbox360. just want to throttle down sons connection but will try and find how low i can take his bandwidth before it starts to cause trouble:D

two router setup is great.

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Sorry to gate crash the thread with my first post...

I'm looking into getting a wireless router for my Virgin Media broadband service with the intention of running my pc and xbox 360 wired (downstairs) and my PS3 wireless upstairs. When first looking into it i started finding comments and compatibility issues etc with xbox and ps3 and having spent several hours looking around the web and various forums i think i'm even more confused so i thought i would see if i could pick someones brain about it.

Basically i was going to buy a D-Link RangeBooster N 650 Router DIR-635 - Wireless Router as the price i saw (£60) seemed good value, the speed seems a bit overkill but if it makes it somewhat future safe then even better, however i have no idea if it's compatible with xbox live and opinions would be much appreciated..as would any advice on another router if it's considered a better option or if indeed the linksys routers mentioned would be better.

Thanks for any input guys and great forum

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To be honest Cronus, if it supports UPnP (and you'll struggle to find a router that won't these days) it'll work just fine. The days of worrying about router compatibility with Xbox Live are long gone.

That said, MS do list a handful of old routers that you should avoid picking up second hand :-

http://support.xbox.com/support/en/u...equipment.aspx

And don't worry about using an N router with the 360's G USB dongle. N is backwardly compatible with G.

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Thanks for the response caph, glad i'm worrying over nothing. The Xbox will be wired to the router as it's only 10ft away, it's the PS3 that will (hopefully) be running wireless as it's in the bedroom... :)

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Forgot to mention that if you want to go all out crazy with WIFI speed, you can get an N wireless access point (about £40) to connect to your N router (wirelessly in bridge mode) and plug this in to your PS3. It will work just as well as the inbuilt G wifi in the PS3 apart from you'll get blazing fast N speed. Totally overkill at the moment but at least you know it's a possibility for when you upgrade to 50Mb broadband in the future!

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Hi Guys and girls, hope you all had a lovely Christmas day, mine was ok but slightly marred by the fact that i couldnt get my new ps3 to connect to PSN, through the vm supplied netgear WGR614v9, it works fine just through the modem, ive tried just about everything i can possibly think off but it just wont let the connection through. heres a list of the things ive tried so far
1. ports triggering
2. dmz
3. static IP
4. enabling and disabling UPNP
5. tried connecting wirelessly and wired through ps3 settings
6. pulled hair out,

No matter what ive done it made no diff, the ps3 will connect to the internet but it wont connect to the playstation network,
my xbox works ok so i cant figure out why it wont work, bearing in mind i dont know that much about what i,m doing so i might have missed something obvious i hope....
its currently wired into router via ethernet, so ive also tried swapping cables etc. also turning off the firewall via the wifes laptop,,

A few times its given me an error code 80710092, and has said its a dns issue.

any help would be greatly appreciated,, as i came so close last night to going all fawlty towers on its ass..

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Thought i would just update you on my efforts......

Thanks for advise given, with time a bit short and frankly money a premium at the moment i got myself a Linksys WRT54G2. I followed the instructions to the later i.e follow the several thousand stickers on the unit telling me to run the cd first :P and setup was a dream. Connected my pc to it seamlessly, the xbox 360 connected to it seamlessly and the ps3 connected wirelessly to it flawlessly with a signal strength of 70% and secured by WPA2. I'm very happy with the choice and made all the easier with some knowledge gained from this forum...thanks :)

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Dragon I was wondering if you can respond with some information for my partners son who is trying to set up his xbox 360 to the internet. He has run a cable 30m from his room to the computer downstairs I told him that he would be better to go with a wireless set up but he insists that it is too expensive for him. I looked into it and from what I gather he is looking at an xbox wirelss adapter and not a router which is a lot cheaper. Can you recommend to him what he should be looking at buying as I think he can use a dlink, netgear, or something similar and connect it to their BT broadband.
Thanks
Lisbonlion

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Either get a router that can run DD-WRT/Tomato or something that supports Client bridge mode.

Or

I think one of these would probably do the trick, it says it supports client mode
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132431

Sounds like from the reviews that it can work with an xbox360
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132431...w_order_by=RUF

Although it would probably have to be connected to the PC to set it up first.

Re: internet, ps3 and xbox 360 wireless router help
 

Hi Dragon thanks for the reply, as I am not fully upto date in todays technology, I have been told that we have BT wireless already and I do not need a router. Not sure if this is true or not, I was told I maybe just need an adapter not sure what this means but I hope you can help. Your reply to the posts above regarding the wireless router help is it a different router that you recommended? and is this because they are connected to virgin? also what is tomatoe? can you give me more information on understanding this modem - router - xbox 360 - wireless etc so I can have a much more of a grasp in how things work.
Thanks Again
Lisbonlion

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The Homehubs are indeed wireless.

The earlier ones V1.0 and V1.5 actually support linking 2 together wirelessly although its a bit of a PITA to setup.

The 3rdparty DD-WRT/Tomato firmwares that run on certain routers have a option to turn the device into a wired > wireless bridge

I think the AP i linked to on ebuyer also does this.

Basically what happens is you set up the device to be a Client bridge, then it connects to the wi-fi network and you hard-wire you devices to it.

I've done it with a WRT160N running dd-wrt I actually have a pair of them 1 downstairs being my router and 1 upstairs with my PC, Printer, Phone and Xbox wired into it, it then connects wirelessly to the one downstairs ;)

Although that particular router would be more than you'd need for this specific purpose, I choose it for the wireless N ;)

I do actually have the xbox adaptor somewhere but as it's wired to the bridge with everything else I don't use it.
they do sometimes do offers on them, seem to remember getting £15 off mine.


EDIT:

Just had a thought powerline networking adaptors are another option e.g homeplug