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The Virgin Media cabinets in the street
Does anyone have a problem with kids using these cabinets as their night out? I have two of the ******* things outside my house and it drives me nuts with the local kids use them as a meeting place for their 'night out'. The noise of them kicking, screeching and generally be a total nuisance is driving me nuts. VM refuse to do anything about it as they infer I am the only person in the whole of the UK with this problem and basically its tough luck. If there were just a couple of peeps out there with the same problem we would have a chance of getting something done. Anyone experiencing this nuisance????
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I'd suggest you speak to your local neighbourhood policing team. If the kids really are a nuisance they are the people who can move them on. However kids will always accumulate somewhere. It's unlikely to be the cabinets them selves that are the factor for this, any street corner with a bit of space is usually enough.
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The police and the local council are involved with this but until these things are removed or made inaccessible, the kids will perch on them and screech - worse than a cage of budgies! (I don't have anything against budgies but they do make a racket if you are trying to watch TV or have a quiet drink with friends in the garden) If only a couple of other people have the same problem I would seriously have a case. Kids, I agree, do congregate on street corners but when they actively arrange to meet at 'the green boxes' there is a problem.
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I'm not quite sure what you expect VM to do.
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BT manage to sink some of theirs into the ground - why can't VM do the same? I'm quite sure its not impossible these days.
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VM have angled tops they can fit to the boxes in the North West, I have seem them in lots of places. They look like the roof of a house and seem to have been fitted after the box was installed as they seem to be riveted in place and are a slightly different green colour.
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I had the same problem with a cabinet outside my house. It is placed on a corner next to a hedge and with the youngsters messing about the hedge had taken a right bashing. The Police did their best to move the youngsters on but they would just come back later and the noise they made late at night was upsetting all the residents.
I remembered I had a bucket of chicken pellet fertiliser which I had tried to use in flower borders near to my house but the smell had made it unusable. It took several applications around the cabinet to have any effect but eventually the youngsters stopped hanging around. We do have a fine display of weeds though.:D |
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Yes, one of the two 'things' has an angled 'roof' but this seem to be the resting place of the 'wannabe in the gang' the kids. I am talking serious weird kid here. One has a flat roof which seems to inspire either one single person draping themselves over and kicking the ends of the box or as many as will fit, usually about 4! Nevertheless I don't want to hear their screeching all through the evening until 10pm of a weekday evening. Who would want that? I pay VM a fortune every month and these boxes - cabinets - whatever you call them - are definitely theirs.
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If it wasn't the Virgin box they were sitting on, it would probably be a neighbours wall, or a driveway, or something else. |
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Jo - What an excellent idea!! I had though of picking up all the local dog poo and tipping it around but your chicken 'fertilizer' is is a perfect idea! I will certainly give it a go
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Tip. If you do try this method it works better if you water the pellets each evening before your night visitors arrive. |
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Actually, my stepdad has a ton of the chicken stuff (he hates the smell so much) so I will get it off him and proceed to fertilise the boxes!! Thank you so much - I am certain it will help as, of course kids are so 'delicate' these days....
---------- Post added at 20:18 ---------- Previous post was at 20:07 ---------- Sirius - I once tried marmite mixed with honey smeared all over the boxes but some 'kind soul' (not someone living close) cleaned it off within a day!!! I am getting the chicken pellet fertiliser tomorrow - that really stinks !!! I will water it regularly and keep it topped up. Hopefully it will deter the 'perchers'!! |
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So not only have we to contend with Dog P***,Dog Cr8P, human p***, vomit, takeaways,spit, anti vandal grease ect whilst working on the cabinet, everyone is now condoning chicken fertilizer and chip fat poored over the cabinets.
Yeah thanks, i'll come round to your house and c**p on your doorstep, see how you like it:rolleyes: |
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Yeah sure - come round to my house and try to watch TV in peace or have friends round for a nice quiet drink in the garden - I am sure the smell won't pervade but the ******** noise would.
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I certainly would not recommend the use of anything smeared on the cabinet itself as that could cause problems for unsuspecting innocent pedestrians as well as the VM engineers. |
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I have heard it all now - VM responsible for anti social behavoir of youths! You will be saying the cabinets are full of knives next.
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I do agree with Jo - smearing is not the answer. I do think VM should seriously consider the sinking into the ground method with whatever it is that can bring it up for maintenance. This would be the best solution. I cannot be the only person that has the boxes within 10 metres of my house. Not only are these boxes unsightly but they do attract the errant kids in the neighbourhood. I have actually seen a 6 year old drag a ladder to enable her to perch on one of these boxes. - To me, this is totally unacceptable. I cannot be held responsible for this type of action and neither is VM but if the boxes weren't there then the problem wouldn't be there either!! I am sorry for the engineers etc that have to maintain these boxes with what is deposited on/around these things - think how much better it would be for them if the equipment was sunk into the ground and they had the facility to raise them to work on them - I am sure this would not be a cost prohibitive exercise. It can't be that difficult to faciliate. I will be depositing the chicken pellets over the weekend because it will help ME to have a NORMAL life and a quiet weekend. If anyone had a better, less offiensive idea, let me know.
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You are being ridiculous! If there were 5,000,000 homes affected by the placement of these boxes the problem would have been solved years ago. I am talking about the FEW of us that have these boxes RIGHT OUTSIDE our house that are disturbing our way of life. I am not talking about those on the street away from houses etc. I just want those that are RIGHT OUTSIDE my house moved or made inaccessible for the idiots that want to 'play' on them.
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Street cabinets that sink have never been thought of because it is a bonkers idea. 1) they would probably cost stupid money 2) it would cost an absolute fortune to replace if they broke, compared with the metal box the current cabinets are 3) It breaks a cardinal rule of all design. Never make it more complicated than it needs to be It is like the whole urban legend about the Space Pens ;) Quote:
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No, they can be located in a grassed area just across the road that would be inoffensive to everyone. There are no houses and it is just a green area. Why these boxes couldn't have been put there is a complete mystery. I have asked VM to move them over there and am waiting for a response.
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Unless there is a really good technical or business reason for them to be moved, you are not going to have any luck. NIMBY is not one
As for why they aren't over there in the first place, I would suggest asking your council about that. Last time i checked, they have final say over where any street furniture is placed. |
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This how it goes... First VM say no, the home owner doesn't accept that.. Next VM say ok, the home owner is happy.. Finally VM say..... but you will have to pay for the construction work and new street furniture, if its right across the road I would say around £20,000? Ben? |
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First, there is the distruption to all the people serviced by that cabinet as they will all have to probably be disconnected for a period of time whilst everything gets moved, and the compensation.
Then there is the cost involved in submitting planning permission to the council, contractors wages, distruption to the area with noise and dust whilst they dig up the road Then, as luluimmi suggest, where it is to be moved is open space, it is in a more prone position and a bigger target for people who think damaging the cabinets are a laugh. Finally, if Virgin start down that road, where does it end? Is anyone here willing to pay higher subscription charges to pay for cabinets to be moved? The utility companies charge to their customers to move meters if there is no real need, why should Virgin not do the same for their cabinets If the problems are as bad as been said, then involve the police. That is what they are there for. |
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I can sympathise with anyone having problems with noise from crowds gathering in the evenings.
Noise can be the least of it - although slightly off topic, the focal point I remember sometimes being a problem was the outside phone box - I can remember people complaining about feeling intimidated when having to pass through a crowd to get to the phone. That isn't so much a problem now most of the outside call boxes have been removed, of course .... I do think the common denominator is the groups either thinking they have no-where to go, or actually having no-where else to go - why don't they voluntarily move across to the grassy bit, for example - what could encourage them there that might be cheaper than relocating a street box? |
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I had kids outside my neghbours house every weekend, I had a word when I got home from a night out once more because she was a lady living alone rather than them bothering me.
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I understand all that has been said- but who gave the permission in the first place for these boxes (2 of them) to be placed right outside my house rather than the green space just across the road - literally? Surely householders close to the anticipated placement should have been informed of their pending arrival. It cannot be normal practice for any kind of street furtnire just to be plonked in a place and accepted by residents no matter what it is.
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The council give permission for all civils - They do not need to consult HO's although I think they do if locating a bus stop.
The network was built almost a decade ago! Note: My 1000th post! |
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OP PM'd me I asked that, they were there before the build apparently. Cab was there when got home one evening.
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Cost comparison of positioning junction boxes in line with footpaths versus the extra hassle of crossing a road - e.g. managing traffic during full/partial road closure, for no technical reason, would have been a consideration. I do seem to remember, although it was a while ago, now, getting a notification of the planned works & the procedure if I wanted to protest. I do sympathise, as I said, but the problem is to change the perception of the cool place to gather, in my opinion - the seat mentioned earlier is a good idea to try :tu: |
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Benmcr - I can't remember exactly when they appeared but there was no discussion/ notification that they were ever going to be there - as I said - came home one day and there they were, right outside my house about 6 mtrs from my living room. I admit at first I didn't think anything about it until about a month or so later when I noticed that having my windows open I was hearing voices so loud I was becoming part of the 'conversation'. From that day til today I cannot have windows open at the front of my house as whenever the 'kids are perching' I have no choise but to listen to their nonsensical chatter and yelling, shouting, kicking of the boxes etc. - There is nothing anyone can say that makes it OK for this situation to continue. If VM can't / won't do anything about this, I will take it further.
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If other neighbours are also affected, maybe you can get the council to pay to get it moved? Or get them to issues ASBOs? IF the damage is criminal to either Virgin property or your own, surely the police would do something? |
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Both Police and Council are involved already - kids that I know are 'going to be spoken to' but i have no idea who some of them are - hopefully the chicken pellet appllication will deter them - and with any luck the kids will have to fnd somewhere else to have their cheap night out!!!
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If these kids are being a real nuisance lulukimmi, why not invest in one of these high pitched noise makers? Its called the mosquito and emits a high pitched sound only teenagers can hear, in experiments most kids could only stand the noise for a few minutes, and best of all people over 25 can't hear it.:)
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The kids that you do know, have you tried speaking to them yourself, telling them you find the noise really disruptive?
Or have you gone out shouting like Victor Meldrew giving them hassle? If it's the latter and I was one of the children I'd be there every night just to wind you up. You say that council are involved, in what way? By trying to issue ASBOs or by trying to find somewhere else for them to congregate, like a community centre run by people with a genuine interest in kids and keeping them off the streets. Adults very quickly forget what it's like to be a child or a teenager. Adults with grown up angelic children forget even faster. I speak as a mother of four energetic, loud confident daughters who have a healthy respect for their neighbourhood and for adults who don't shout abuse at them for being children and making noise as children do. Have you tried speaking to the parents? Any adult who comes to me and has a complaint about any of my kids is taken seriously. I don't believe for a minute my children are angels, but it makes a difference whether the adult is calm, clear and concise, or ranting and raving like a loony escaped from the nuthouse. There's also the kids who know 9/10 times I'll believe the adult and they're then in trouble. Sorry for the long post but if these kids are drinking, having sex, using drugs or vandalising your area or property which is happening in a lot of places, then fair enough I see your point. But if they're just being children making children noise leave them alone or move into a retirement home with a warden. Or better yet help the council to start something up that will keep these children off the street in the evenings. Mags |
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We have had this problem in this area before and we have put pointed tops on the boxes so the kids can not sit on them .One customer decided to smear oil and paint on one box and was told by the poilce and council to clean it up as the techs kept getting it on our selfs .If you do this the right way VM will do something about it but moving the cab is the very last option and its the councils say .It could be yes it has to be moved and we have to do it at our cost or yes it can be moved but you have to pay .Most of the time its the second one as VM would appeal and yes i have seen this done and they won .When a the network is at planning stage the council would but out a notice the houses near where the box s to be put if there are no objections then we can put the box there .It is the councils doing as we had a number of these rejected when the network was built .
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I have spoken to the parents of the kids that I know in a calm and reasonable manner and have been told by them that they 'will speak to the kids'. They do stay away for one or two nights but do come back. These are not little kids they are between 14-19. I do remember being their age and I would never even consider hanging around in the street. If they were to behave in a quiet manner I would have nothing to complain about. However when you hear the screeching these kids emit together with the kicking of these boxes hour after hour, you would complain too.
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There's no way you could leave it on all day, it's not like when someone hits their 25th birthday they suddenly can't hear the noise. I'm 26 and can hear them, my 29 year old brother can also hear them. Pretty annoying.
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The Police tried their best, they attempted to use reason, and even tried to take names and addresses but the children had an escape route across a playing field. That playing field, despite its seating area, held no attraction to the youngsters who wanted to congregate on a street corner where they could indulge their need to showcase their inane behaviour. We did discuss the use of a Mosquito devise amongst the neighbours and with the Police but we all quickly ruled it out as we had babies, children and young people living in the immediate area who would suffer if we used it. The Rooster Pellets were a mad idea which I used in desperation but which worked for us. We have not needed to use anything so far this year but I will do so if the problem starts again. A 50 pence solution. |
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Yes I have thought of getting one of those noise devices to use just when the kids are out there but I can imagine all kinds of problems and it really couldn't be kept on all the time. I believe it is the fault of the parents letting their kids out so late of an evening/night. Don't they know where they are? I can't imagine letting my kids out at that sort of hour on any night of the week let alone a school night.
For today, I have just distributed the chicken pellets and will let nature take its course for tonight. Hopefully when they all congregate at around 7pm for their night out they will move on swiftly elsewhere - fingers crossed |
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Ultimately it is up to the kid's parents to sort out, but, failing that, the Police or Local council. Virgin really cannot do anything, nor is it their responsibility. |
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The message I am getting is that it is nothing to do with Virgin Media... It is their boxes/cabinets 'causing' the problem, how is it not their problem? I most certainly did not cause/request these things to be there. I am quite sure that if they were across the road on the green area - the kids would congregate there - thus not disturbing anyone. Street furniture placement needs to be considered more carefully and not just plonked down where it suits the owners. The most ironic thing is that these boxes do not even serve this side of the street - they serve the other side of the street, the area close by to the green area!
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Agree - but if the boxes weren't there neither would the kids. I think the parents are fed up of me speaking to them and obviously it does absolutely no good (I am not raving at them - I am, surprisingly - calm) - the parents are obviously oblivious to the overall problem - OK - what then, is the answer??
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the locating of cabs in the early build days was like the early mobile masts the companys were given carte blanche to place them wherever needed, whilst having sympathy with the op it is not a vm issue but more a local parent problem.
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The parents obviously don't care where their kids are at any given time of the night (until one goes missing) so other agencies have to be involved. All I want is a quiet life and be able to watch TV, have a drink or two in the garden without having to be abused by the noise made by these errant teenagers.
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how do we get these removed?
it is blocking my driveway and i can only park 1 car when i should be able to easily park 2 cars in there |
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You will have to phone Virgin and ask them, and for that circumstance, you will have to pay to get it moved.
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I cannot beleive you can try and blame VM for this. The kids will continue to congregate in the same place regardless of the location of the street cab. VM are skint and they wil certianly not spend £1000's of the little cash they do have moving a street cab because kids meet there. The problem should be dealth with by the police but i highly doubt there is any law being broken if they are just talking and there is no criminal damage or aggressive behavior !
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but OWE around £5`000`000`000 (£5 billion) still wish you were that skint?
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They make enough to keep giving each other bonuses ;) Also make enough to do certain upgrades and buy new equipment. |
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That was years ago but it has started to annoy me now after 10 odd years now that i got my driveway made. theres enough pace to squeeze in 1 car. thwe cabinet is 2 thirds of the way in the way of the other half. you can get like a motorbike in but not a car. an example --------------------(driveway) .......-----(cabinet) (The full stops are cos the gaps arent appearing and the cabinet markings go right at the start of the page) |
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the kids used to find it a good laugh to set fire,pee in it and try to destroy it. they have now moved the box underground. we lost our services for two days but where supplied with a mobile and given two free months of TV,BB and line rental. :D |
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i fixed it up, got them red tiles put in making it iinto a proper driveway. first it was just a messed up area with patches of grass and plants looking like a mini jungle |
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I can appreciate the misery that this sort of thing brings - there are a group of kids in my street who are a pain in the bum. Their last escapade was to try and break the LNB off of all of the Sky dishes with a football, with a great deal of success!
VM is under no obligation to apply for planning permission for street cabinets UNLESS the size of the structure is over 2.5 cubic metres (under the town and country planning act/general permitted development) - you'd be surprised how big this is. VM is, however, obliged to notify the local authority planning office of its intention to site new street furniture and its location and the authority can object to the siting of the cabinet(s). There should be consultation with the local authority highways department, too. If there are two cabinets co-located, it sounds like the cabinets where the fibre-optics change to copper/coax cables (might not be though depending on which cable company it used to be) - not cheap to move at all, and I don't ever think that they'll be put underground. |
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I have complained and complained and complained to Virginmedia and there workmen.
Oh my god the box for my street no longer locks it needs the doors replacing. The Virginmedia guys are fixing this box at least three times a week were cables have been ripped out. We have CCTV located there but does this spyware see the vandals?NO way. Virginmedia upgrade was free?No it was not bills went up. |
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Re the kids, maybe what you should do is dump a load of those chicken pellets through the parents letterboxes.
Either that, or get a pellet gun. Once a few of them hear the shots and the pellets hitting near their feet, they'll soon find somewhere else to go. |
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Get one of those mosquito alarms to deter the kids from hanging around :p
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I have heard that spray grease on top of the cab works well, available in clear or black, it would be wrong for anyone to use this of course.
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I have one slap bang in the middle of my driveway also so i have to park one car on the road,which annoys me as ive just spent good money re-laying the driveway.The box was already there when i purchased the house 7 years ago,i have emailed and sent letters to virgin but have had no response. I also have kids sitting on these and doing graffiti on them, but my real bug is not being able to park.Does anyone have any phone numbers i could use? Also ,paying to have them removed has also been mentioned,anyone know how much? Thanks. |
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The cost of moving the box depends on what work needs to be done and what type of box it is :)
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Kids today are generally a total pain in the backside.Whatever anyone does they seem hell bent on wrecking things and causing ppl problems.Relocating boxes aint the answer,a good old clip round the head would get rid of them.Funny how they don't congregate outside their own homes aint it!!
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I can tell that you watch supernanny:rolleyes:
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At the bottom of my mates street there is a VM cab. The kids have broken into it a few times.
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My cab seems okay; kids use it as a seat and love swinging their legs against it, making as much noise as possible. Can it be replaced with one made of concrete...?
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We'd be better off chaining the blighters to a desk where they could get an education and learn to be civil towards other people an dthen set em free when they're at a certain age
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Let's get a Virgin Media police officer on the go! Red truncheon and all :D
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yes i got one like 3 meters from my house and it has grafete on it the lot used to have hundreds of kids goign there know we have com police they don`t as much
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Could be worse look at this box some ones took it out of the ground, hope its not a cable box.
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At least they laid flowers.
Where is it, RealDiamond? I'll get it seen to. |
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o I took that a month ago. only just remembered it. its been sat on the mobile phone.
only noticed it randomly, its between poole and christchurch but I can't remember sorry only noticed due to the traffic jam. I was in... |
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Considering the companies financial situation it would probably break the bank to fit one of these! To have a cabinet relocated fom in front of a driveway should be an easy task, if the company does not move it a few accidental incidents of damage caused by someone using your driveway as a turning area should see the task done. |
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