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I have made up a web page from an email that was sent to me Link the photos were taken as evedence as it was thought people might say it never happened!!

Is it time to move on or should our children be told the truth as part of our worlds history at school???

shalom aleichem

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Do they?? :erm:
What, all of them..???

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If we forget out history we are doomed to repeat it.

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Bovine bodily waste.

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Is there a news link or something to confirm this by the way?

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Can't believe this is true.

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Can we have some confirmation on this?

In my opinion history classes should be teaching the most controversial subjects. How is a democracy suppose to function when the populace are ignorant of the issues?

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Seem to remember this being thoroughly debunked long ago.

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Deja vu?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6563429.stm

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I was just going to say, is this one of those stupid false chain emails that people insist on forwarding to everyone and his dog..

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It rather looks that way eh?

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I had the email about a week ago and have tride to find further information via Google. I thought I would post and ask the question??? along with the email........for open discussion after I had another two email.

I know for a fact there are history teachers who do not like covering the subject just like religion because it could offend.

Then we have the news that Scouts and Cubs no longer swear to do their duty to God and the Queen as part of their promise as this could also offend.

My question was: Is it time to move on or should our children be told the truth as part of our worlds history at school???

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I’ll tell you one thing, all this Muslim bashing going on, isn’t that one of the ways that Hitler made concentration camps sound acceptable to the German people? It would not surprise me in the least if there turns out to be a Muslim holocaust in the future.

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History has a long period to cover, and kids can't be expected to study all periods in history, but it would appear the holocaust is MANDATORY learning in many schools.

Why?

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Let they don't cover it enough. I remember being taught the Tudors repeatedly. Would have been nice to learn about the formation of Israel or something that is actually useful today.

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The fact that you ask that question suggests you either: weren't taught about it in school, didn't pay attention, or don't care. I don't know which is worse :erm:

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Presumably in the hope that we might all learn an important lesson and avoid such massive genocide in the future.

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Why not?Why shouldn't they cover each and every aspect of world history?

It might make for better human beings for one and I think the policy should be mandatory throughout the world.

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Some might argue that there's camps being built in Gaza.

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It's not, it's rubbish

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/uk-holocaust-removal.shtml

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You know there were holocausts before, during and after the 'Jewish' one in the last century, I have often wondered why that is seemingly the only one that gets remembered?

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Possibly due to the numbers involved?

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Anyway you only have to ask a teacher to know that this is bogus..:rolleyes:

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Far greater numbers (well over 10 million IIRC) of Chinese civillians were killed by the Japanese, on the point of a bayonet or in experiments horrifically similar to the Nazi's they don't seem worth mentioning though, we don't even bat an eyelid when the Japanese government removes all mention from their childrens text books. In Russia pre WWII the 1937 census was over 25 million short dues mainly to Stalins purges they don't warrent a mention either it seems.

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They are mentioned in the 20thc History syllabus in school.:erm:

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First off, this, from last month:

http://www.aegistrust.org/index.php?...=751&Itemid=88

Secondly, two of the Cabinet, Ed and David Milliband are descended from Jewish refugees from Nazi Europe. The Labour Party has historically been a comfortable home for Jewish people (Kaufmann, Janner and numerous others). Are they likely to sit comfortably with an official policy of Holocaust denial? Are the Labour Friends of Israel (which includes numerous high-ranking party figures) going to sit idly by? Considering it was led until her death by the supreme battleaxe Gwyneth Dunwoody, this is unlikely.

Thirdly, it's total bunkum, of course. Muslims are perfectly able to accept that the Holocaust occurred. That there are idiotic, unpleasant Muslims who don't is undoubtably true, but there are idiotic, unpleasant ordinarydecentworkingclassbritons who don't, as well, often in the BNP. Neither group is about to get appeased by Government order.

Have you written back to them and told them to stop being so damned stupid? This is nothing more than a nasty bit of Islamophobic propaganda. What's more, it's *obviously* a piece of propaganda and, as several people have pointed out a *busted* obvious piece of propaganda.

Oddly enough, if you want Holocaust denial, try examing conspiracy theorists. Lots of it around in 9/11 conspiracy circles ('Well, it was the Jews what done it, wasn't it? Stands to reason'). Google for 'Nick Kollerstrom'.

If we forget debunking idiocy we have to debunk it all over again, too.

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I know that !!! :D ;)

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Not Japanese ones they aren't and when did that change because it wasn't that long ago I was at school and other than brushing on what bad people Tojo and Stalin were they weren't mentioned, unlike the months set aside to ramming home how horrid the Nazi's were, which imo they were, it's just left to that, you get the picture that only the Nazi's were capable of such heinousness

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Agree with that - the Holocaust hasn't been the only extreme example of slaughter on a grand scale.

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who is tojo?

edit.....google is your friend

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Ah yes, the ever-reliable Email Chain Letter.

Hey, email is how the Police send out public safety warnings, and Bill Gates is going to give half his fortune to the 2397234897423897423th person to forward that email about Disneyworld.. :rolleyes:

Tojo was Stalin's little dog. Stalin used to carry him around in a little basket lined with red gingham. I read that on the internet, so it must be true! ;)

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Well it has been where I've been covering history...

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Hey Kay, is that squirrel drinking Nutscafe?

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You have taken the words right out of my mouth danielf, for anyone over the age of 18 to ask that question fits your criteria perfectly.

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I think you may be confusing the worlds biggest mass murderer with Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz :D

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I am pleased to hear that, as I said it wasn't really that long ago I was at school and those events weren't mentioned at all, some one earlier said if we don't learn from history we are bound to repeat it, well that's for sure if you don't even learn the history in the first place

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Agreed it's not covered as extensively as the holocaust is more a sort of background info leading up to the Japs declaring war on the US.Stalin's purges are mentioned but again only in passing as a sort of background info on communism before leading onto the Korean war.

The trouble with teaching the history of the 20thC is that there is sooo much documentation and photographs that covering it all is very difficult.Teaching about two world wars seems to take up most of the time.

However the sort of history I would like covered has so little info available that it's just not covered.I'd rather know more about the bronze age and the people who built Stonehenge.Pre-Roman history is barely touched on..:(

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My daughter and all of her friends have absolutely no knowledge of anything historical whatsoever. I would prefer teaching on the holocaust to cover all the victims of the nazi's not just one group as that wasn't the only group the nazi's wanted to exterminate completely. As a general point it is a period in history which i think all generations must be educated about so that it can never happen again. That education is even more important in a time when everything comes down to appearence rather then substance.

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I don`t think that there is any Muslim bashing going on, but i do really think that people are more wary of Muslims because of the way some of them act on their beliefs, same as some cristians act on their own beliefs.:(

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Yer what? Remind me of the last few years' Daily Express front pages, if you'd be so kind.

No danger of that as long as we keep strong laws in place on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and right to life. Traditional British freedoms, in fact, which are the best antidote to fascism yet found, which is why Churchill was so keen to export them round the world.

Extremely good point - there's a strong case for saying WW2 in general is covered wrong, since we concentrate mostly on things that affected the UK (or indeed the south-eastern UK), like the Battle of Britain. The forces engaged on either side in that battle were minute compared to things like Stalingrad or Kursk or Okinawa or Burma, but those are things we only learn about because we're interested rather than because we're taught. Or from Commando comics, of course, which I thoroughly recommend.

There's also the English Civil War, which is by many definitions far more important in English history than WW2. More dead, for a start, as a proportion of population, and the consequences have been felt everywhere in England every day for 350 years.

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"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it", or something similar. And since we began teaching about the Holocaust, there has not been a single occurrence of genocide. Well, apart from Rwanda. And Bosnia. Oh and Darfur. There's a short article here on the subject.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it - and not know it. Those who remember history are doomed to repeat it - and know full well but hey, we are human"

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Should the thread title be editted (not just because it currently doesn't make much sense) in light of this being an invented anti-muslim story by some sections of the media?

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If you care to read what is posted on the BBC web site it will confirm the fact about Muslim teaching that the Holocaust did not take place.

Iran has stated the Holocaust did not happen and is just Zionist propaganda.

The BBC Web site: Link

One other point. While many more Russian people were killed during the II World War than Jewish People in the holocaust, but we remember and talk about the Holocaust more in school history lessons.

This because one Mad man with a nation behind him tried to remove a race of people from the face of this planet. This included anybody who had a Jewish grandmother would be sent to the death camps for the final solution.

This being said I do think we have a problem in that If a Muslim child is asked a question in a school exam about the Holocaust.

So I return to my original question: Is it time to move on or should our children be told the truth as part of our worlds history at school???

Please note I said our children which also includes Muslim Children.

shalom aleichem

Edit Rob: I know it's only a small part of the post, but please only use English Language on this forum

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No to the former and yes to the second.

However I'm starting to get annoyed by your persistence in asking the question because it sounds like you aren't getting the answer you wanted and thus I'm starting to question your motives in posing the question. :(

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So its ok for people to grab the wrong end of the stick? I did not have my computer on as my daughter had just got back from Uni. I read the posts that I had missed and posted again this morning. :(

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From your link:

How is that teaching that it didn't take place? If it's not a topic then surely they're not staying anything either way?

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the brits dont ever let you forget about the world cup in the 60s booooorriiiinnnnng why should the jewish people forget the atrocities that happened to their people,i am not jewish by the way but i think children should all learn about mans inhumanity to man.

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Probably because the Russian number covers the entire soviet union (twice the size of Europe) including military deaths. While the holocaust was a purging of civilians for genetic purity.

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Err I don't believe any one mentioned Russian deaths during WWII the 1937 Soviet census on the other hands results were supressed due to one mad man purging his population of 25 million people, particularly the land owning upper classes who were wiped out. Where WWII was mentioned was with regard to China where 10 million civillians were murdered , many experimented on, imo Nanjing should be up there in terms of infamy with the Warsaw ghetto.

If we are going to pick and choose which bits of history suit us, perhaps it is time to move on, even more so if we allow other nations to air brush out their involvement in some of the worlds biggest attrocities

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And speaking of China, you don't meet a lot of people who know that the second worst war in history after WW2 was the Taiping Rebellion in China around 1860.

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Has anyone here been to the Holocaust Museum in Yad Vashem in Jerusalem?, I have.
Makes for a very emotional tour.:(

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No I havn't budweiser, but I did go to Auschwitz and Birkenau concentration camps in Poland on an official tour, to walk around both camps and see what it must have been like, and realise this happened only 65 years ago in Europe is almost indescribable.

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In the museum in Jerusalem, it broke my heart to see the teenagers looking and crying at the `exhibits` as to what maybe happened to their ancestors.
This is a part, be it horrendus, of history that we cannot pretend never happened.