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Lamping someone as frail as this for something as ridiculous as pushing in.
What a sorry tale.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4124582.ece

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I seen that in the paper today and I am fuming I mean what is the country coming to a simple “excuse me� from the lady would have been more than enough and not to mention he also hit the wrong guy :mad:

Maybe people will sit up and think as the guy is facing a murder charge

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No doubt the assailant will get away with a couple of years in prison.
What a country we're living in, no respect for anyone or anything.

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A 37 year old bloke has stormed in and clattered a 9st, visibly frail 57 year old. I wonder what the outcome would have been if Kevin Tripp had been a 16 stone walking muscle?
I mean, the woman who rang her bloke must have known what he would do, why else did she ring him? It just beggars belief that someone would be so damned vicious to a) call someone to come and sort out a silly case of barging in (knowing what would happen) and b) smack someone for it.

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Its a classic case of people not thinking before their actions. It is so sad. You have a dead man and a guy who is now facing a murder charge (which no doubt will affect his family too). I dont understand why the woman is being charged with murder too though.

I can understand why someone would go after a teenager chav for hassling his missus (Im not saying its ok to do that ), but i just cant understand how you can mistake a 59 year old guy whos frail, by all accounts, for a 19ish year old lout.

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Makes you wonder what sort of people could do this...... It's the sort of thing which happens in gang warfare when someone calls for backup in order to settle a score.... Apparently their poor young daughter was sobbing in court. Pity they didn't give her welfare more thought than they gave their alleged attack.

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That'll depend on what role she might have played in events which will all become clearer in time.

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From the stroy I read in yesterdays paper I thought the 'chav' had hassled the missus in the carpark. I have to agree, calling husband round to sort out a queue jumper _ if thats what it was - is OTT.

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She's probably been put down as the person who orchestrated it, from calling her partner and possibly trying to dispose of evidence.

And its good to see people released early from prison are being useful members of society.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1285854.ece

Of course seeing it's from the Sun it must be lies. The suspect has never been in prison, he wasn't wearing a tag and was only in the supermarket to buy cakes for his church choir practise. :rolleyes:

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Yep - I'm sure he is a fine upstanding person, a veritable pillar of the community ..... :rolleyes:

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it seems this was all a case of mistaken identity as the woman had been hassled by some yob in the car park who was about 17, she called her husband or partner and then said that's the man when she pointed him out in the store. Standing just behind him was Kevin Tripp, although the yob was meant to be yelling abusive stuff inside the store so I would have thought it was obvious who she was talking about.

Still can't work out why two people from Catford are doing their shopping in Merton it isn't even close

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Well it's an easy mistake to make isn't it a 17 year old and a 57 year old it's a mistake any knuckle dragger could make.

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I might just be a touch cynical but my gut instinct is telling me payment may not have been involved in the items they were taking from the shop.

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its down the tubes m8.

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I`ve just read this link in the post and i think it`s time we had some changes in the judicial system in this country once and for all.
Everyday we see new news that somebody has been killed or stabbed or another child has been abducted and murdered.
What the hell do we have to do to stop the decline in England?
Why are the courts not giving out sentances in proportion to the crime committed?
Does anyone watch Roadwars or Streetwars and gasp at the punishment dished out for the people stealing cars and running from the police?
How about tougher sentances? I`m lost for words...........:confused::confused:

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They do.
Unfortunately the sentence given doesn't reflect in any way the sentence served.
I know of examples where people given 9 months are out in less than 3.

I suppose it depends if you want prison to punish or rehabilitate people.
To punish then they should be in for the sentence.
To rehabilitate they should be in for long as it takes to make them safe to life along side normal people, sadly this is normally longer than option A

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Glad to see you are finally seeing some posters viewpoint when it comes to the Pun :LOL:


:clap:

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Isnt britain now not one big prison with a very small minority trying to live a decent and civil life in what mounts to an almost impossible task where respect for others is nothing short of close to extinction, or has it just allways been like that and that its getting worse is just a misconception of mine ?

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We all know quite well what this country's becoming & no one`s prepared to step up to the plate & do something about it. I`m 57. This guy could well have fought wars for this country, only to die under the knuckle of some low life idiot. I hope he gets life & a good hiding whilst inside.

But we all know thats not going to happen. Don't we.:mad:

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I just wish some government (I don't care which it is) would actually build some more prisons as they were warned they should many years ago.:mad:

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As far as i know Coggy they are in the process of being built well at least a couple but as usual it went to the company that put in the lowest bid and will end up being the most exspensive and take the longest to complete overall. Personally i would be happy to see enough prisons built for 250,000 and then we should be ok for a few years but we will continue to do it on an ad hoc basis never having sufficient capacity.

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But yet again it's a case of too little too late.IF the government of the time has responded to the situation instead of putting matters on the backburner which seems to be the case with successive governments as well,perhaps we wouldn't be in this ridiculous situation of having to release prisoners far too early.Now the building of prisons is even more expensive than it would have been in the first place.

Short termism yet again.

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Coggy, What government of ours has ever put the people it represents first instead of lining it`s own pockets?
The world over critisises( spelling) other countries for their corrupt governments but ours is no different to theirs!:rolleyes:
When will we get somebody in power that will say, " You work hard, you work your nuts off so we`ll reward you. No, They say" we`ll tax the hell out of you so we can own 2 homes or more and use your money to furnish them":confused:

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Well maybe it's more to do with the fact that so few people actually turn up to the voting booths.The fact that we fail singularly to go and see our MP's face to face and tell them how shoddy they are.That we are so party driven in our politics.If we voted for the individual rather than the party maybe things might change.

Maybe...I'm absolutely certain though that IF we the public were the ones who voted on MP's wages,expenses and pensions that the hangers on and uncle Tom and all would be shown the door.

Perhaps MP's wages should become cost productive like they have for most people in the country.

And pigs will fly.

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Problem is also one of if they build more prisons at a time when they are saying crime is falling it will make the average person think for a minute and we all know how politicians hate us thinking about anything they do. What we have now thanks to many many incompetant politicians is a system where it is routine to not only sabotage an unpleasant statistic but to then go on any media outlet they can and promote the statistic thus making it harder and harder tio actually solve a problem which officially ceased to exist as the statistics say it is falling. How much more of this will be tolerated i am not sure because slowly the electorate is waking up and more importantly wising up. I have to say in that regard thank god for gordon brownshirt because that man has done more to wake many from their slumber then any incumbant before him such is his incompetence and continual need to repeat his idiocy at all times.

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Well to be absolutely fair and scrupulous it isn't all down to Brown..It's been the fault of successive governments and he hasn't had enough time to even address the issue(though Blair certainly did).

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I know this sounds petty, but why do the papers feel the need to give it a label (supermarket rage). This, in my opinion, seems to be trying to glamourise what is basically unnecessary violence.

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I think sometimes silly titles are given to things that are just so mind blowingly unbelieveable as a way to somehow rationalise it into something that can be understood and make sense. I dare say some on here would say it is to simplify it for tabloid reader's.

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Indeed,thats why we need to become the 51st state. A real Police FORCE that can and does act and real justice be it death or a long long stretch in prison.

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Well what a little american convert you've become vlad maybe you would be better off living in the states full time and then you wouldn't have to spend precious time trying to get us to vote to be part of the US like that is ever going to happen.

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I wouldn't say i was a convert. I'm just trying to encourage and facilitate some free thinking. I am not so niave as to even think that HM Government bothers much with any e-petition. Of course they just brush them aside,even the serious ones,for they know they can trample on the UK populace and do as they wish, even more so when so many of them are so lacking in motivation to even raise a voice of dissent. I am also currently promoting an e petition to challenge the congestion charge in Manchester. Would you care to sign..?

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I would be a real hypocrite if i signed a congestion charge petition of any sort as i don't have or routinely use machines with an internal combustion engine :). When it comes to being secretive and trampling on the rights of it's people we in the UK are mere amateurs when compared to the government of the US so as bad as this country maybe and might yet become it is still a long way better then the US.

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The irony is that compared to some countries the UK and US are miles ahead when it comes to democracy.

BUT if they/we aren't careful we may be meeting those countries that have a terrible human rights somewhere in the middle one of these centuries.

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Perhaps the tramplings of the UK Government are slightly more covert ? In any case, the least that can be said for our friends in the US is that they are citizens, not subjects and have a constitution and Bill of Rights.

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The problem isn't just too few prisons, its the complete lack of discipline inside them. I read last week that (cant confirm these figures) 20,000 soldiers leave every year, but 40,000 prisoners REFUSED early release!!! They didn't want to come out.

I know first hand that some prison accommodation & conditions are far better than soldiers accommodation. We need to make prison a hell on earth, punish people instead of pandering to them. Then we may actually see the prison population fall.

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Nooooo.....someone please tell me thats not true (re prisoners).....aarrgghhhh

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