Tory MP blames BBC for attacks on Poles.
 

Conservative MP Daniel Kawczynski on radio fours morning programme Today, accused the BBC "liberal elite" of concentrating on Polish migrants when talking about immigration. He goes on to say because of this there are increased attacks on Poles and that the BBC are responsible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7435200.stm

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I think he's right and I also think the BBC are responsible for global warming... :rolleyes:

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And the high price of oil :D

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Seem so now its politically incorrect to talk about nice immigrants because it will make racists attack them. Oh geese.

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I thought VM were responsible for that?

Maybe the BBC are responsible for the holes in my socks too

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This is ridiculous, the BBC don't express a negative image of Polish people, quite the opposite in fact, I remember a recent program where the BBC focused on Poles working in the UK, they were portrayed as "hard grafters" and came across as very decent people. I'd be very interested to see the evidence this MP has that the BBC are responsible for an increase in attacks on Poles, now his delivered his broadside his got to back it up.

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It's not the BBC that's inventing stories about Eastern Europeans eating swans or whatever, now is it? Do I really have to spell out where such stories appear? The Tories really are coming out of the woodwork now it looks like they'll win a majority, and it's not pretty.

The insight into Mr. Kawczynski's mindset given by the following two facts:

a) Negative media coverage of immigrants leads to attacks on them
b) Negative media coverage should be somewhere other than on Poles, like West Indians, Africans and Asians

would seem to suggest he'd prefer it if we all attacked some other bunch of immigrants rather than Poles, you know, spread the violence around a bit. Personally I think a responsible MP ought to be concentrating on expressing his abhorrence on xenophobic and racist attacks on foreigners and the media reports that lead to this rather than picking on the BBC, but this is the extreme right of the Stupid Party, after all. Maybe a few Daily Mail front pages should be sent his way.

He's a member of the Cornerstone Group, a deeply unpleasant bunch of reactionary sods, also including Andrew Rosindell, John Redwood and Nadine Dorries, who as near as dammit got called a liar in Parliament last week (she was lying, too). They're not your touchy feeling Cameroonies by any stretch.

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Yawn......... and there was I thinking that just once the tabloids wouldn't feature in your argument....

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Indeed. I don't see how the kind of stories the BBC has run could really be a factor in increasing attacks on Poles.


Oh, go on, you know you want to ;) :D

I mentioned the swan BS last week in another thread...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34560525-post22.html

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Well they do tend to print sensationalist BS, stirring up feelings against certain groups...

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*Bangs head against the wall* Global Warming Does Not Exist.

It's global climate change :p: and believe it or not, humans have not caused it, we are only just coming out of the last ice age, scientists know this, its called govt scare mongerin to get even more taxes out of us :rolleyes:

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Most Scientists think Global Warming is happening, although the world heats up on his own, they are saying it is happen at an very fast, unnatural rate. The last two years in this country have been odd enough, Boiling in March/April but we're in June and it's cold and raining!

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How can you discuss negative stories about immigration in the British media without mentioning the newspapers who print negative stories about immigration, eh? Do try to keep up.

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That's global climate change, and no, you'll find only scientists who are getting huge ass funding from the govt agree with them.

Of course it's going at a high rate, that's the whole point of coming out of an ice age.

You do realise when your just about out of an ice age, you get a huge speed up, right? :rolleyes:

Only thing we did was progress it slightly enough to get to that point, it was going to happen sooner or later anyway.

I suggest you go back to school and learn something if you think global warming really exists :D

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I'm not sure if you're being funny or (more worryingly) serious [and if Damien did "go back to school & learn something" (:rolleyes:), he would learn that the overwhelming majority of scientific opinion does indeed support global warming / climate change being affected by human activities...]

Either way, it has nothing to do with the topic...so can we all now get back to the original topic please

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I didn't think that Cornerstone lot were still in existence, wasn't it Edward Leigh who fronted this bunch of crazies at the last Tory leadership challenge when they came out in support of Liam hang em and flog em Fox? I remember reading one of the Cameroonians giving them the tag of "Tombstone", in that whoever got their backing were finished, Cameron must love this lot.

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:clap: In fact over 90% of scientists.

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The same Edward Leigh who has the easiest job in Parliament, exposing Government waste as chairman of the Audit Committee.

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You really think I want or need to keep up with you? :rofl: You're the one with the pathetic tabloid obsession not me. This thread started in relation to comments by a Tory twit about the BBC. Surprise, surprise you then introduce tabloids yet again as if the entire population outside Chiswick hasn't got a mind of its own and couldn't possibly be capable of acting according to anything other than their output. Until I came across you I'd never associated BB King with broken records........

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I can see how even positive comments made about the Poles (or any group of people) can expose them to an increased risk of attacks.

Say something negative about any group of people, they could be attacked by people who share that negative image of them.

Say something positive about any group of people, they could be attacked by people jealous/angry/who feel slighted at being described as being not as good/hardworking/etc as them.

I'm not saying I agree with it, or that the BBC is responsible for it, but I can see how it could be possible.

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Precisely, he effectively saying that the nice immigrants shouldn't get mentioned so the bad ones get beat up by racists. It's insane.

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The whole thing makes my head hurt. There's ENOUGH hatred in the world without encouraging people to harm others.

The kind of people who would attack others simply because they are different will do it no matter what. By indulging them by making up these "excuses" for their actions, all this MP has done is make it easier for them to keep on doing it. Well done.

I don't CARE what you heard in the media, saw in a video game, or if Mummy and Daddy didn't hug you enough when you were little, the minute you harm another human being, YOU become the one to blame for your actions, not the media, videogames, Virgin Media, or your parents. :rolleyes:

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What if you have mental issues?

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There will always be exceptions, mo, but I think broadly speaking what KaySquirrel says is 'spot on' - some people do seem to be inclined to want to blame anyone or anything, other than themselves for their bad behaviour...

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Yeah I know, but its a quiet day at work and I thought I'd stir it up a bit....


But seriously tho, I can see the validity in an argument that apportions some blame on the media, for example. There are quite a few people who believe what they read for example. This doesnt always materialise in them physically attacking others but I have heard racist arguments being used because "this is what the paper says". I think in the majority of cases most people need some sort of catalyst to propel them to take some sort of action, and usually it comes from the TV/newspapers they read.

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I don't doubt it, but the media aren't going to go away & people should be able to think for themselves, rather than let themselves be led.

It is the whole idea that finding an excuse for doing something bad somehow justifies it, which is wrong. That includes people who think mugging an old lady is justified because they are a drug addict or getting into a fight is ok because they were drunk.

Racism, personally, is something I, personally, can't get my head round & attacking someone 'just because' of their ethnic or national origin has to be wrong, in my eyes, no matter what is printed in the papers.

- easy to say, I know ......

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What if I do?! I'm still entitled to my opinion, aren't I?!

;) Point taken though. Even if you just wanted to stir, you bring up a valid point. Obviously people with mental issues/addictions/other things affecting their ability to think rationally do need, if not special consideration, at least acknowledgement that their circumstances are a bit different than that of most people.

What I object to is the average person making up excuses. I mean, my parents divorced when I was little, that shouldn't give me a reason to harm others and then blame it being a product of a broken home.

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But it's handy to have it ready, just in case...... ;)

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I keep 2 lists. Reasons and Names. :cool:

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Naughty or Nice?

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Speaking as the product of a single parent family I always resented the implication that automatically gave anyone carte blanche to go off the rails if they came from a single parent family. :mad:

If anything it should be that one becomes more adult and more responsible due to one's circumstances. :erm:

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*nods* If I can manage to stay out of trouble, despite being raised by one parent, why can't others?

And, to be honest, growing up in my 1 parent household was a lot healthier than if they'd stayed together, so the implication that kids are always better off having both parents together really irks me.