We need this guy to run the country.
 

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When he was over a year or so ago, the BBC tried to treat him like a dumb redneck, but to their suprise he was very intelligent and didn't fall for any of their "journalistic" traps severely deflating their interviewer with reasoned and logical answers.

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Sounds like the man to sort out our town / county / country, he would get my vote :tu:

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He gets my vote anyday. However you can be sure the pc and libs brigade will not like him :LOL:.

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Check Snopes.com

Sheriff Arpao opened an animal hospice - he did not take the department over, did not save $15 million per year, and the inmates don't walk the dogs for the department (so in fact, the email quoted by Nidge is spam ;) )

erm, whilst effective, he and his officers appear to be over-zealous and sometimes ignore the law (which, for a man in his position, is a little unusual).

Wiki

Charles Agster, a mentally handicapped man who was killed in the County Jail shortly after being arrested on misdemeanor loitering charges. The subsequent lawsuit resulted in a $9 million dollar verdict against the office.

One major controversy includes the 1996 death of inmate Scott Norberg, a former Brigham Young University football wide receiver, who died while in custody of the Sheriff's office. Norberg was arrested for assaulting a police officer Mesa, Arizona, after neighbors in a residential area had reported a delirious man walking in their neighborhood. Arpaio's office repeatedly claimed Norberg was also high on methamphetamine, but a blood toxicology performed post-mortem was inconclusive. Norberg did, however, have methamphetamine in his urine, proving that he had used the drug at some point fairly recently before his death. During his internment, evidence suggests detention officers shocked Norberg several times with a stun-gun. According to an investigation by Amnesty International, Norberg was already handcuffed and face down when officers dragged him from his cell and placed him in a restraint chair with a towel covering his face. After Norberg's corpse was discovered, detention officers accused Norberg of attacking them as they were trying to restrain him. The cause of his death, according to the Maricopa County medical examiner, was due to "positional asphyxia". Sheriff Arpaio investigated and subsequently cleared detention officers of any criminal wrongdoing.
Norberg’s parents filed a lawsuit against Joe Arpaio and his office. The lawsuit was settled for $8.25 million (USD) following a highly contentious legal battle. Despite vowing to never settle, the case quickly closed after it was disclosed the Sheriff's office had destroyed key evidence in the case.

Brian Crenshaw was a blind inmate allegedly beaten into a coma by guards working under Arpaio. Crenshaw suffered injuries that included a perforated intestine and a broken neck. He later died at a local hospital. When asked about the incident, Arpaio insisted, "The man fell off a bunk." Crenshaw's family filed a lawsuit against Arpaio and his office, which resulted in an award of $2 million dollars.[ As in the Scott Norberg case, it was alleged that Arpaio's office destroyed evidence in the case. In the Crenshaw case, the attorney who represented the case before a jury alleged digital video evidence was destroyed.

In 2004, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office SWAT team led a raid on an Ahwatukee home in a gated subdivision, looking for illegal weapons. No illegal weapons were found, but during the raid, the house burned down, killing a dog, and an armored vehicle rolled into a neighbor's parked car.

Sheriff Arpaio has been criticized for allowing his deputies and posse members to engage in sex acts during an undercover prostitution "sting". In November, 2003, Sheriff's deputies arrested over 70 people for prostitution and solicitation. The officers arrested alleged prostitutes and their customers in more than thirty homes and ten massage parlors in the Phoenix area. Records indicated that several of the officers disrobed, fondled the breasts and genitals of the alleged prostitutes, and allowed their penises to be touched during the operation. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office stated that the Sheriff's office had gone too far in allowing this behavior, and sixty of the cases were thrown out. Several of the male customers in the case were prosecuted, however.

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fair play to him nidge,we could do with him over here gets my vote no problem.

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Could have used the <snip> so we didn't have to read / scroll all the way through that again ;)

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Just don't get arrested by him - suspects awaiting trial have to live in the tent city as well. ;)

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Reading Foreverwar's post, I can see why :erm:

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He gets my vote. We should stick a few chavs in the Tent city too ;)

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Is one reading the spam post that is obviously designed by his supporters and ignoring the stuff foreverwar posted? People who commit pretyt petty crimes and are abused by guards, in case a broken neck while the officers laugh and another one dies as a result?

Not all criminals are equal and not all deserve the "string-em-up" apporach. Beatings, Broken Necks, and worse for minor crimes? All this gets is a typical anti-human rights complaint? This system is awful and dam right Human Right do-gooders should try and stop it.

This guy is treating crime as his own moral PR exercise and screw who suffers.

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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1997-...c-who-s-boss/1

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Do Burberry do camping equipment?

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Well said Damien, we can always rely on you to bring a more balanced view into the debate.:tu::tu::tu:

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He gets results and he keeps getting re-elected don't tell me Damien and Forever all the people that vote for him are too stupid to see anything other then what sheriff joe tells em :rolleyes:. Personally i would vote for the guy and would be more then happy to have him run anything he wants as it would make a change from the excuses and incompetence we have become so used to and accept as normal. His methods infuriate the liberals in his own country and everywhere else and thats another reason why i like the guy anyone that does that is doing something right.

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No, Sorry have to disagree.

There is a difference between getting things done and abusing your power. In this country, and hopefully most other European and other American States he would be be forced to resign let alone get re-elected.

Liberals do not have the Monopoly on Human Rights. IMO no one, right or left, can approve of some of the actions he has made. They are not results, they are criminal actions in their own right, violence is not suddenly excusable just because it is commited against prisoners. Especially those convicted, or those awaiting trail, for minor crimes.

In the link Foreverwar provided there are clear incidents, and repeated incidents, of violence being used against prisoners. We can give him some benefit of the doubt in that criminals are likely to lie but there has been a death, a broken neck, and a broken leg among others and these incidents where against non-violent criminals.

If you think that is "getting the job done" then good luck to you but thankfully even among those in the UK who want the death penality back that is a step too far and most people with an intrest in upholding the law would not suggest that those entrusted with that power are above it

I am willing to accept a lot of his complaints are spun, I understand some criminals are prone to lying, however these are medical facts and are supported by compaints being upheld in court. Not just one, but a re-occuring pattern of them. This is not tough jusitice, this is abuse.

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Well just hope you never get arrested by him just incase you end up like the 2 guys in Foreverwar's post i.e. dead. Well at least your family will end up rich.

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Enter the PC / human rights brigade:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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That is a really weak argument and your actually doing this so-called brigade a lot of credit if you think that condeming this guy's actions is 'PC'

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Perhaps they should try incorporating some aspects of rehabilitation, seeing as this harsh regime doesn't seem to have acted as much of a deterrent, his reoffending rates are as high as anywhere else, whilst our system is deeply flawed, the Sherriffs system is just going from one extreme to another

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Exactly. I don't see how someone who doesn't want prisoners being beaten to death can possibly be described as being part of the PC brigade.

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I don't think anyone's saying that the people who vote for him are stupid. Having said that, they are American...

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Well to be honest maybe i care less about the rights of people that break the law then i used too, maybe i am sick of the law abiding having to walk around and live their lives in fear because gangs of **** roam the estates and streets of this country. Maybe i want to not just hear about justice being done but i want to see it and feel it being done and if someone like him could come to this little oasis for criminals and do that i would be prepared to put up with some heavy handedness.

As for me hoping i wouldn't be arrested by him or someone like him i don't worry about it and you know why because i live my life in a law abiding way so i don't have to worry no matter how hard we come down on criminals because i am not one of them. What i am is as mentioned above sick of the **** in this country having the run of the land and i want to see something done to put fear into them and to make them feel extremely uncomfortable in their little world of abuse and general anti-social behaviour instead of it always being the good living like that or ending up as a statistic if you try to change\stand up to them.

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:tu:

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This is not heavy handedness; one of the people who died was arrested for loitering. Hardly ****.

These actions are awful crimes in themselves but are they to be excused because the people committing them are doing so against criminals and alleged criminals? At very best this is a case for serious neglect; no officers were brought to trail. How is that Justice?

A whole history of abuse in this jail, anyone who speaks out is deemed a do-Gooding political correct member of the human rights brigade it seems. This is not justice, its just revenge. This prison system has seen Deaths, Broken Necks, and more. None of those incidents were for crimes such as murder.

That is just fighting crime with more crime. The only difference is the prison system is the one doing it.

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What if they haven't broken the law?Not everyone that is arrested is always guilty.Sometimes mistakes are made like police raiding the wrong house...Which has happened a lot here and in the US.:erm:

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As always there is a middle ground of which we have two extremes represented.

Me, I would go with the forced labour. Make these people pay for there own upkeep via the work they do. Unless someone is convicted they should not be placed in prison but should be free, remember its innocent untill proven guilty.

I agree with depriving prisoners of most recreation facilities including TV and gyms etc. They are not in prison for pleasure and such should be given no recreation activities. To pass time provide them with the option of books and learning opportunities which they must pay for from there earned pay.

I disagree with any and all beating and torture. If a prisoner gets violent go in and take them down in force but dont beat them as punishment instead deprive them of pay and if they are a threat to another prisoner they spend there time in solitary, if they can no longer afford to feed themselves they get put on bread and water if they still play up they dont even get that.

The only problem with this is you need the prisons monitored closely to stop the powers being abused and prisoners starved even if they dont do anything wrong.

In summary Prisons should be a place to be feared. Once inside someone who obeys the rules and works hard should be allowed to better themselves. But someone who still wants to cause trouble should be broken.

Then again this is 5 minutes thought on the matter so I'm sure its full of holes for people to pick at :D

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Round and round we go making reasons to do nothing something we in the UK have become experts at we see a problem and debate it to death until the point where there should be some action then we find another excuse and debate that and so on and so on. While all the time the cause of this problem that segment of society that feels it has a right to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants goes about doing exactly that laughing at us all for being so completely ineffective at stopping them. Oneday you will wake up after pondering the rights of all these people and find that one person you care about has been their latest victim.

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Indeed, but your opinion seems to be that a prisoner being beaten to death is an acceptable price to pay for an increased fear of the law. My opinion is that it isn't. A very good way to judge how humane and civilised a society is is to look at how it treats prisoners.

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You can quite easily say the same thing in reverse to the last bit of that statement. If we got someone like that to sort out our penal system then at some point you may be attending the funeral of a (possibly innocent) relative that has met their end at the hands of a regime like his.

The punishment must fit the crime, it doesn't do that very often in this country, but neither then agian Joe Arpaio seems to meet any crime proven or not with the same level of "punishment".

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Pardon,

I have suggested a change, a change to make prisons a place to be feared and which most of the rights of the prisoner are thrown out of the window. What would you rather have done? Your convicted therefore you either die or live with no rights forever more. Punish the person but give them a chance if they can work under the harsh rules of the prison they serve there sentence and are released, if they rebel against the rules they are kept inside. If after there release they re-offend make the punishment worse, longer/life sentence in which they work and contribute to society but are isolated from it.

The costs for this are minimal as the prisoners are paying for themselves, if they arn't willing to pay for there own upkeep they die, that is the choice, that is a choice that most of mankind has to make. Sentences arn't reduced for good behaviour, you do the crime you do the time. You are only released when you can follow the rules and have served your punishment.

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G UK i wasn't directing that at you sorry if you thought that. You can always say "oh no were not having that it might be a bit too hard" trouble is the thugs don't think like that when they beat people to a pulp but rely on you me and every other decent person thinking like it when it comes time to get their punishment.

G UK is right prison is way too soft some of you might not agree but everyone i know including some that work in a local prison think it is a joke how comfortable life is now for prisoners. please don't trot out the old "a society can be judged by how it punishes the guilty" line as you could also say how a country is judged by failing to protect the innocent and vulnerable as this country patenly is at the minute.

If i have a choice between someone in custody getting a hiding or some truly innocent person in the street getting a hiding from a thug i know which way round i want it. You speak of those incidents in america as though they were never investigated which they were and in a documentary the county admitted it was easier to pay off the case then fight it it was all down to cash involved.

Either way you could have someone like him over here and rest assured our "rights for crims" system would never let anything happen to the poor little sweethearts once they have been captured as it is amazing how many of these real hard people become sweet little souls when it comes time to go before a court.

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We're not trying to say that they all innocent and should have access to everything they demand. We are saying they should not be beaten to death, and then have people who claim to be concerned about crime defending it.

I am not against harsher punishements, I am against these kind of abuses.

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Its OK, I was a bit quick in my response, I apologise.

Prisons are to soft. The problem lies with the fact that the closer you get to the moral line of what we should and shouldnt force upon prisoners, the more difficult it is to police those that enforce our will.

As the saying says "Who watches the watchmen" that is where the nub of the problem lies. If we could guarentee that what is prescribed to happen will happen then the issue is very much simplified as those that want to relax the restrictions have very little recourse.

Unfortunately this will not happen as such we withdraw from that which we need in order to accomodate human stupidity and vindictiveness.

I one hundred percent trust one persons morals and limitations, that person is myself. If you cannot trust the person you are putting in control of such things you need to back off the rules in order to ensure that your own morals are not compromised.

Then again that would work fine in a Dictatorship, things are further complicated by replacing your own morales with the majority morals of the electorate in a Democracy.

Anywho I drunkenly ramble. My initial point stands as a target, the rest is merely discussion on how that is applied.:dunce:

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I believe we agree:D

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I'd love him to run the prison system. Ours is totally screwed up. These days prisoners are taken out on activity days and are allowed TV in their cells with Sky. The majority wouldn't even have Sky at home, or go out on activity days. The prisons are basically a life of luxury now compared to in other countries. Prisons should be hated and horrible, not have pool tables and everything for people to play with.

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I think some people need to read the links to articles about the other side of the regime.

You really want a situation where disabled, defenseless people are immobilised more than they are already and subjected to horrific injuries(or even death). A regime where evidence of their cruelty and illegal activities is supressed and destroyed toprevent a fuyll investigation. They are commiting crimes that are worse than those commited by the people that are incarcerated under their care.

Some people are looking at this with a severe case of rose coloured glasses, looking at one side that suits them but not the other.

If that system works so well, why do so many offenders reoffend again quicky and repetitively?

We need a tougher penal system in this country, but the one being discussed is not only overkill, it's illegal, and if somebody could get hold of the evidence, I think this gentleman would probably be serving time in one of his own institutions.

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<RizzyKing/Nidge/cimt mode on> Oh stop being a bleeding leftie liberal Jon. Next you will be saying that anyone in a position of power is nto allowed to destroy evidence if someone dies as a result of a beating by his officers. As for disabled defenceless prosioners, well they must have been evil so and sos to end up in prison and deserve all they get. Please stop defending these **** and keep your nose firmly in the Guardian. <RizzyKing/Nidge/cimt mode off>

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Out of interest, do you have the reoffence rate for those who've been to his prison as well as the detection rate?
The latter is quite important as if people believe they won't get caught, no matter how harsh the penalty, they'll not care because most of the time they can get away with their crimes.

That would be quite fitting.

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We clearly have different views on this. I'm not a liberal by any means. In cases where the crime warrants it, I think we should re-introduce the death penatly, as well as sterilisation and castration. I also think that on being found guilty a person should lose the certain(if not all) of their so called "human rights".

It's Human rights law, and sentancing appeals that we need to change. Too many times we hear that people have been given lengthly sentances only for them tob e be reduced to something silly on appeal.

Another thing, dangerous/uninsured/careless/drunk drivers, don't just give them a few years ban, take their rights to drive a motor vehicle away permenently.

I could go on.......and on......and on.

I'm not a Liberal, I just have a balanced and reasoned view point. Infact I don't think my political beliefs fit into anyone slot.

I purposefully don't take part in these types of discussion because I feel people are too quick to judge other people based on a few posts about a particular subject.

Don't label me please, you don't know me.

Obviously on second reading(and the reply from saaf-laandon_mo), I realise that the post i've qouted was meant to be taken sarcastically and as an indication of what possible replies I may get.

Sorry Saaf_laandon_mo for any mis-understanding.

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Sorry I think you misunderstood my post. I am definately not calling you a liberal/leftie, I was just posting how I'd think that some of the ardent supporters of this Sherrif on this forum will reply to your post - hence the mode on mode off etc etc. I was being sarcastic.

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My original post has been edited and an apology given to you. Let the post stand as a reply to anyone replying in a similar vein to what you suggested.

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I think thats the most important factor. If the re-offending rate is significantly lower than more relaxed regimes it shows something is working.

Right now here re-offending rates are so shockingly high people are getting out after 1/3 of their sentences and there is so few spaces some people are calling for sentences of less than 6 months to be scrapped altogether.

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Hey no worries mate...

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According to TheDaddy (post #20) reoffending rates under this regime are as high as elsewhere. I don't know where he got his info from though.

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Hmmm, whilst on a quick Google search to try and find out the re-offending rate (and failed miserably) I did come across this which is quite interesting.

http://www.publications.parliament.u...70328h0010.htm

How much of this is Conservative 'Hang em and flog em' hot air is up for debate.

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From the C4 documentary Torture: America's Brutal Prisons

The British documentary showed that the number of prisoners in the county jail system had doubled since Arpaio took office.

Corrections researchers at the Arizona State University: Arpaio spent over $10,000 to have Arizona State University study recidivism in his jail system. The 1998 ASU study tracked 4,800 released Maricopa County inmates and showed no evidence that harsh treatment reduced recidivism. Arpaio discounted this study as false and continues to claim that his jail program has reduced crime in the valley.

Still if revenge over rehabilitation is your bag, vote Joe

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Anyone got information on the likelihood of actually getting caught for committing a crime in that area?
If the punishment was to have your legs removed, if the chances of getting caught were zero, then the punishment wouldn't be much of a deterrant.
Course if the chances of getting caught are on a par with other areas which don't have such a harsh prison regime, then it's fair to say it's making no difference to recidivism.

Having said that, if the prisoners are more productive and it costs less to run, then that would be a benefit that could be repeated elsewhere making other prisons more cost effective, the savings could then either be pumped back into the community to reduce crime by improving people's lot, or into ways of rehabilitation that work better.

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Well i would vote for anyone that promised me criminals would actually pay for their crimes and i don't much care about rehabilitating them.

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This the second time l have heard a story of this kind of person from USA,` There is a judge in America, that even if you have commited a first offence, you go straight to prison, no messing, if the courts in this country did, that, you would cut half the crime overnight, he believes that if you commit a crime, you don't deserves the luxuries of life - your freedom.

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I wonder why crime is rampant in the US then? they have a very strict penal system as you mentioned but it hasn't worked there. The answer in my opinion is not just the lock em up theory because it obviously doesn't work, listening to what the Tories were proposing the other day makes a lot of sense, in that as soon as a person leaves prison he has to go straight to the job center and register with a personal advisor. He/she will then be coached in interview tactics and generally projecting themselves in a positive way for the job market, ex-cons are not going to be allowed to come out of prison go straight onto the dole and fester, I think the Tories are on to something here.

As a society we don't want prisoners being habitual recidivists for the rest of their lives, so we need to rehabilitate them for all our sakes, this means more than just banging them up and ignoring them, otherwise as I said earlier we all suffer and nobody wins.

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Look at it from another point of view Froggie go to america and ask a victim if they feel justice was done by their system and then come back here and ask a brit. It isn't always about the actual figures that get given out most of which are complete and utter BS serving the agenda of someone or some group. How can you put a figure on a perception and the perception in the UK is that the justice system is a complete pathetic joke that favours the criminal not the victim. Until that changes and is backed up by experience for most that have to enter the criminal justice system as a victim i am not interested in the rights of criminals or how hard their life maybe because they chose to commit a criminal act. You don't have to break the law or resort to crime, i and the vast vast majority of people in this country manage to avoid breaking the law so people that do break the law sod em.

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Again ignoring the deaths of some of the people in his system, or the beatings.

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You don't need to go the other extreme though...

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Maybe not Damien but some movement towards the victims would be a bloody start for too long the victims have been treated like dirt and it has to stop.

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Even though I don't want the likes of that ego-maniac self promoting sheriff in the UK, I do agree our sentencing policy needs an overhaul. To many people are losing faith in our justice system, firstly the sending to prison of people for non payment of fines should stop, it's pointless, non fine payers can be dealt with via community service. This would free up places so people who needed to be in prison stayed there, when a judge hands down a sentence, eg two years, you serve two years, if while inside you behave and make an effort to reform you could get up to 10% of your sentence commuted, not 50%.

Friends of mine work in a category A prison, and one of their many gripes is that the youngsters can miss breakfast and lay in bed till 10am or 11am, the youngsters especially should be made to attend breakfast and have some structure brought into their lives. Where as apparently most of the older prisoners want to work, so as to combat the boredom and earn a few bob very few of the younger ones are interested. I think some sort of work or education should be compulsory, laying on your bunk watching telly shouldn't be an option, in a lot of cases this is what a lot of them do whilst at home I suspect, so when they are released nothing has changed.

As most people have probably noticed from my previous posts I'm quite liberal in my views, but that doesn't mean I want these poor little lambs to have an experience equal to a holiday whilst in prison, I'd like to see something done that's not only beneficial for the prisoner whilst inside, but also for society. The punishment in prison is loss of freedom, it makes no sense to go the American sheriffs route by basically humiliating them, all that does is breed contempt, so as when its time for release your putting another angry young man on the streets who according to statistics will go back to crime. It may make Daily Mail readers happy in the short term, but the goal has to be turning these mostly young men into worthwhile contributing members of society.

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No i think it is fine to humiliate them i have no problem with that whatsoever and given how image obsessed many are today a public humiliation might be just the trick. Personally if i had my way all prisons would be run like colchester military prison that would sort the lazy ***** out nice and fast and quickly instill in them a respect for authority.

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Possibly because they have a far greater population. If you look at the crime rate per 100,000 population the UK crime level is far higher.

Have a quick skim through this link for various facts and figures.

http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01...ime-in-us.html

*The usual disclaimers about how facts and figures can be spun to back up your argument apply*

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Glad you put the "usual disclaimers" thing in. ;)

A little investigation (of wheelgun's sources) shows that

US definition of violent crimes (which are counted in the figures) are link1
- Murder & Non-negligent manslaughter
- Forcible rape
- Robbery
- Aggravated assault

UK definitions include link2
- Common Assault
- Wounding
- Robbery
- Snatch theft

All sources are from original link provided by Derek.

Some interesting points link from section 5.

Violent crime is a very diverse crime grouping

. It contains the full spectrum of assaults, from murder to pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm, as well as sexual offences and robbery. In addition, the degree of violence varies considerably between incidents even within the same crime classification. A large proportion of violence results in no injury (see Section 5.5).

From Section 5.5

In just under half (49%) of all BCS violent incidents there was no injury (BCS 2005/06).
This has remained stable since 2004/05 interviews (46%; the apparent difference is not statistically significant). The majority of robberies (64%) and common assaults (62%) reported to the 2005/06 BCS involved no injury (Table 5.02).
There was also no injury in at least 47 per cent of all recorded violence against the person in 2005/062 (Table 2.04).
The most common injuries incurred in BCS-reported violence were minor bruising or a black eye (30% of incidents). Seventeen per cent of incidents resulted in severe bruising, 11 per cent in cuts and ten per cent in scratches.

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You surely cannot be serious Derek, even if you take population size into account of 60,000,000 for the UK and 230,000,000 for the US its about a ratio of 4 to 1. The murder rate in the US in 2006 was 17,034, for the same period in Britain it was 765, that is just over 1% of the US total.

The link provided is hardly unbiased, if you look in the title it quotes being a supporter of the 2nd amendment, aka the gun lobby.I grant you in certain areas like burglary that is higher than in the US, but violent crime against the person is much higher over there. Have a look at these two links.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page6.asp

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The Police in the US make a refrshing change to our emasculated bunch of hoody huggers. True they are not perfect but they are in charge,they take charge and they deal with criminals. They don't ponce around making friends with street yobs and being touchy feely with criminals. I suggest that we subcontract the Policing of the UK and put it out to tender to any US force that wants to apply for it.