Jewish population on the increase
 

I remember a friend of mine working for a ultra-authodox Jewish lady who had 13 children.

Link

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See what happens when you stop murdering us...

[of course, this does depend rather on the definition of 'Jewish birth', which presumably includes my niece and nephew*, despite them both being since baptised Catholic. No. 3 is on the way. Anyone else think there are a lot of people having kids at the moment?]

* My sister's kids. My son isn't, as the rule is matrilinearity.

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Just to avoid sweeping 'tabloid' style generalisations, who's the 'you' ?

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I'd be interested to know that as well.

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I'm thinking BBK is Jewish

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I think they know that, they want to know who is murdering Jews in Britain, squabbles from another thread methinks ;)

See what happens when you stop murdering us...

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York springs to mind... course, that was quite a while ago.

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Didn't they commit suicide? So the Jews are responsible, as ever ;)

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Nice... :rolleyes:

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Are you totally insane? or is this a very weak attempt at being funny, this sounds like the ramblings of a lunatic. How can you "hate" all Jews? and what kind of person wouldn't shed a tear at genocide, even Armadinajad didn't go as far as you, as far as I'm aware only one lunatic did...Hitler.:shocking::shocking:

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Totally out of order :monkey:

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I'm not insane or trying to be funny.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i hate jewish people, i wouldnt shed a tear, your right, but as i said, i have my reasons.

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Oh well, that makes it alright then..... I didn't realise you had a reason.

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How can you hate everyone that's jewish, have your personally met every single one of them?

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Illogical and irrational really!

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Could or would you share those reasons?:erm:

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and / or define the definition of 'Jewish people' - is it all followers of Judaism, or just those who live in Israel - the question of 'have you met them all' may gain more perspective from the answer ? :erm:

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.......and what exactly is every post following TraxData's, if not "crying foul"?

If i recall correctly, TraxData has made similar bigoted comments about black people in the past, and the response was much the same as here. So why have you made such an unfounded and rather irrelevant comparison?

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Stick to the topic please. We do not permit public debating of Team decisions.

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Isn't TraxData aloud his own opinion??

If he doesn't like Jewish people then surely that should be upto him? I admit that he should've kept it to himself but still he is entitled to his own views.

Personally I don’t mind Jewish people but I don’t like the sector of the faith that live near me because on the whole they are very ignorant and hostile towards none Jewish people but I still give them the benefit of the doubt ;)

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Yes. He's allowed his opinion. However, if many people are likely to disagree with his opinion and he posts it on a public forum, then he should expect people asking questions.

(Unless of course, his opinion is based on his religion, as apparently, all bets are then off, and he should be respected for his opinion, and it must not be ridiculed. That's for another thread though.)

On-topic though: Why are we discussing an increase in the Jewish population from .0046% to .0047% of the British population. Is it a bad thing? Or a significant thing even?

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so what if the jewish population are growing, what does it matter. The fact of the story is not what it appears...why in the first place focus on something that is natural ...oh the media again pushing everyones buttons...

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Hilarious comments by Trax??!! I cant believe anyone would post that...!? I wouldnt get in your shower without feeling a bit nervous!

Having seen 5 young jewish boys on a train recently I would suggest that a percentage of the population increase has been achieved between family members. They were an advert for 'why not to' marry cousins? Awful.

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Well notwithstanding the site's rules, I hope that anyone reading this thread will see how many people clearly do not share Trax's unfortunate views. Just like with sensationalist headlines, it's easy to accord extreme minority views more significance than they deserve.

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Seems to me to be more about the traditional Jews increasing the Jewish population rather than anything else, IIRC that was a stated aim of the Traditional Jews anyway.

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Roses are reddish
Violets are blueish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We'd all be Jewish.

Seems like the Jews have always been society's whipping boys. I'm glad to see their population rising, although I didn't realise that the holocaust had made such a dent on their numbers (yes 6 million is a lot but in the grander scheme of things it's not what you'd call a massive figure).

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Er, yes I would, but then, you and I do have differing views on genocide don't we?
When you consider that at the beginning of the 20th century there were only between 6-11million Jews in the world, murdering 6 million was about half of them.

The BBC article is just an interesting (to some people I would imagine) factoid.

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:rolleyes:

Oh very good Xaccers. Very grown up.


Over the space of 60 to 70 years there's been a population explosion, most people would expect jews to be part of that, no reason why they wouldn't.

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I think whatever grievances you have with any ethnic group, you'd never want to see 6 million wiped out, be that 1 percent or 50 percent or 90 percent of the population. I've talke d to relatives of concentration camp victims and that sort of suffering is something Id never wish upon anyone.

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Stating things as they are Russ, you've made it clear that you have different views on genocide than I do.


You appear to have misunder stood the passage you quoted.
What I said was that at the begining of the 20th century, optimistic estimates put the global Jewish population at 11 million.
Therefore to suggest that murdering 6 million of them by the end of WW2 is "not what you'd call a massive figure" is somewhat distasteful to me, mostly because I know a few survivors of the death camps, and also because of my personal views on genocide. This further demonstrates that we have differing views on the matter.

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Whatever, if you say so.

My next-door neighbour is a holocaust survivor - I have listened to his stories. As for my comments being distasteful to you, this would probably be just due to your sensitivity to such matters as well as you taking my post out of context - something else that I know you have certain views on doing.

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I cannot believe the vile anti-semitic posts on this topic! Honestly, it is sickening. They even seem proud of their ignorance.

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So did Hitler, doesn't make it right.

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They are a small minority thankfully whose views don't reflect widely on our society. Maybe they're just ignorant of their ignorance! Whatever the truth, their statements serve their cause no good since all they do is remind the compassionate and tolerant majority of horrific genocide which should never be forgotten.

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So what is it about the Jews that makes people view them with such distain and mortal intolerance? Not aimed at anyone in this thread but there must be certain stereotypes and images of them which people take so personally.

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Well, they were blamed for killing your saviour (just look at the number of xians even today who won't admit he was Jewish or that christianity is a jewish sect), that did a lot of damage and was used to justify applying restrictions on them such as what work they could do. Ironically those restrictions made them quite wealthy, which bred further jealousy.
They generally keep themselves to themselves and are viewed as different, as such they fall into the role of scapegoat rather well.

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Asians were Idi Ami's 'Jews' for the same reasons weren't they?

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I have no idea why Christians would have anything against Jews - yes I believe they played a part in Jesus' death but that was meant to be, they were following what was written. A kind of "if it wasn't them then it'll be someone else". I have no issue in acknowledging that Chistianity has roots in Judaism.

But as you well know, it's not just some Christians who have issue with Jews so my question still stand.

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Many muslims dont like Jews because of what is happening in palestine. Without getting into a argument/indepth discussion about the West Bank, Jordan, Israel, blah dee blah deee blah, it is difficult for people to like a 'race' that is inflicting so much damage injustice and hurt on their own.

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some opinions are best kept to oneself......<edit Rob: deleted>

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Personally Russ I think a lot of the anti semitic feelings in the past basically boils down to plain old fashioned jealousy, generally Jewish people are fairly industrious and hard working, and obviously reap the benefits of their toil. It seems to me a lot of more ignorant people didn't like this.

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For centuries Jews were viewed as having caused his death.
Doesn't matter if such beliefs were illogical as it was "meant to happen" the church used it as a means to control the people by giving them someone to blame for their ills.
Just as the Daily Jackboot does now with immigrants and muslims, and people in SA are doing with people from Zimbabwe.
Similarly (as I understand it) from Islam's point of view, the Jews were responsible for killing Isa and betraying Allah.

Another way to think about it is this; a new jewish sect is created, it splits off some decades later with the jewish acceptance of another messiah (yeah, that one wasn't up to the task either).
You now have a new "version" of the religion, which by people practicing the old version, is being told it is wrong.
The new "version" grows and becomes dominant, it is able to do something about the persieved insult by the continued practice of the old version. Remember, most of the people who rose up the ranks of the church did not have religious backgrounds, it was family tradition. Also, being power hungry as the church is, other religions are a threat, if someone has the option of not being under the control of the church by joining another religion, that's not in the church's interest.
By not converting to christianity, the Jews are saying christians are wrong, likewise, by not converting to Islam, both xians and Jews are saying Islam is wrong.
This breeds resentment, especially when times get hard, and its better for leaders to have their followers hate another group of people than themselves or the leaders.

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If I didn't know better I'd say you're trying to lay the cause of 'Jew-hate' at the feet of Christianity.

So why is it none of the Christians I know (or have met at various rallies - thousands in attendance) have anti-Semitic views?

And I still don't seem to have a response to the question of why non-Christians have issues against Jews.

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If I didn't know better, I'd say you were trying to deny that anti-semitic actions have had their roots in christianity.
Let's not forget, I mentioned Islam.
I've also mentioned the resentment and jealousy caused by them being prosperous (through restrictions on the type of work they were allowed to do ironically).
With the church allowing and in many cases promoting the persecution of jews, it became socially acceptable to even those who do not follow christianity.
Just as it's socially acceptable for Brits to insult the French, and in France for them to try and insult us. See people sticking two fingers up at others Russ or are you blind to that too, along with the non-christian reasons I've already given for anti-semitic views?

If you don't know why the general population these days are less tollerant of anti-semitic views, perhaps you should visit your neighbour again and ask what he did during WW2? It may help refresh your memory.
While you're there, ask him if he thinks 6 million murdered isn't a massive figure.

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Take your pick:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

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I'm not trying to deny anything - I'm just not convinced yet. With the greatest of respect I don't consider you anywhere near impartial enough towards Christianity to take your word on this.

OK here we go - 'the church', that can mean anyone. Do you mean Catholicism, or generally anyone who follows Christ?

So far you have been pretty tenuous, sorry.

Usual tactic of putting words in my mouth? I have never questioned why people are (or should be) less tolerant of anti-semites.

I shall, although I'll put it in context in the way you have failed to do. You know, in the grander scheme of things, which is what I originally said. You must have missed it. Compared to total populations.

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I'm aware of that, it's just most of Xaccers put forward seemed to be aimed at Christians so the question was pointed at him.

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In all fairness I think Xaccers pointed out more reasons than just Christianity. You seem to mention him putting a lot of words into your mouth/misintrepreting what you say etc etc, but all I see coming across your posts is a feeling he just has a personal crusade against Christianity.
He has been pretty impartial in this thread. You asked for reasons why people dont like Jews, he gave a whole big list.

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Yet you claim to be aware of the reasons behind anti-semitism via the wiki article, which makes clear the role of christianity and the church in the persecution of Jews for deicide.
So which is it? You're not aware of the accusation of deicide and were fibbing about being aware of the reason mentioned in the wiki article, or you were aware but are fibbing about it?


Someone who follows christianity is not the church are they?
Those who followed the religion up until relatively recently were actually following the church's teachings.

So you chose to ignore them then. No change there.

Why put words in your mouth when you have your own:
Do you really not know why in general people don't hold anti-semitic views these days?



There is no context where 6 million murdered can be considered anything but a massive figure. Well, not to any decent person anyway.

Oh look, this is where you say you're aware of the reasons mentioned in the wiki article :rolleyes:

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I was aware of the wiki article being listed, I just wanted to know YOUR views.

I don't know Xaccers you tell me. Many people think the Pope speaks for 'the church' when he doesn't.

Thos in glass houses....

You're making things up again Xaccers.

I'm fully aware of it. I was asking you why none of the Christians I know or have met have anti-semitic views if anti-semitism is based in Christianity as you say.

6 million, while a huge atrocity, is a small number compared to a world population of 5 billion. That's what people call context.

Really Xaccers, really :rolleyes:

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Oh come on Russ, the context this thread is in is about Jews, not world population. 6 million in itself is a lot of people to have killed, 6 million in a population of 20 million - or whatever the population at the time was (jews not global) is even worse.

By putting the death of 6 million followers of one religion/race/whatever in the context of the world population totally demeans it.

Its like saying to an animal lover, "sod 50 percent of tigers being wiped out, theres millions of animals on this planet"

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I know what I'm trying to say however I'm having difficulty getting the point across. I'm not trying to play down the seriousness of 6 million people being wiped out in 4 years - no sane person would do that.

My points are being distorted and what I'm trying to say is getting lost - but I'll make it very clear that the deaths from the holocaust were horrific on a massive scale.

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Russ what you said was :

Which you have tried to justify later by saying lets put it into context of world population.

I find that quite distasteful personally, and however you paint it, a statement like that trivialises the holocaust. Its like saying so what if a child gets abducted and killed, in the context of x billion children in the world thats not so bad.

Your post totally contradicts what you said when you write :

We are not distorting what you say, there is no other way to interpret what you have said either. You try to backtrack out of what you said but maybe you should have applied more thought in your original posting.

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For all the people who come out and say nasty things about the Jewish people, is totally a disgrace, l have the highest respect for these people, especially after what they have gone through, over the years, maybe those people who condemn them, should be forced to sit down and watch, films such as Auswicth, and Sobibor, and say that, as these films ARE, true, and l recently spoke to someone, who came back from Poland, and he went there, and he told me, he can still feel for them, so am not saying anymore on the subject, and l am totally astonished that the CFteam, have allowed this thread, to go on the way it has.

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I've not said you are distorting what I'm saying. I said I'm having difficulty in getting my point across and as a result it's getting distorted. Neither am I backtracking anything. And you should know me better than to think I'm playing down the seriousness of the holocaust.

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I know that you're an intelligent bloke, and Im quite suprised that a person with your intelligence would post something like that. For a minute I thought, ken's muslim mate, Al Qardawi (or however its spelt) had joined the forum!

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Ok then. Sit back, and write down what the point is you are trying to get across.

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Look, I don't see anything in Russ D's post to suggest he was trying to down play the Holocaust, seriously. I think he was just saying that he did not know how close the holocaust came to wiping out a entire race. He's comment about 6 million 'not being a lot on the grand scheme of things' suggests that he thought the amount of Jewish people at the time was a lot larger than it was and hence although 6 million is a lot, he didn’t know how big a percentage of the population that related too. Poor choice of words though, but that’s all.

Traxdata's post was genuinely sick though, and I think we can all see that. There is really not much to say other than that it was a vile, anti-Semitic post from which we can judge a lot about the personality of the poster.

There were a couple of others and in light of that I am not sure why so much attention is being placed on Russ D’s post for what seems just a misunderstanding and is obviously not anti-Semitic.

By the way, IMO, The reasons why there is anti-Semitism exists is partly from some people who follow Christianity who seem to have a problem with the death of Jesus and the ‘Jewish Involvement’ but there are all sorts of allegations (lies) made against them. These are obviously just accusations anti-Semitic morons use to try and justify their illogical and despicable views. I don’t think we need to pay much attention to them personally, since they are obviously incapable of intelligent thought and we won’t be able to even begin to comprehend their warped ignorant minds.

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I don't think anyone is calling Russ antisemtic, but I have to disagree with what you say as regards to downplaying the holocost. He did not make his comparison to the jewish population at the time but in the context of a billion world population. Poor choice of words, maybe, but I still find it hard that someone can make a comparison like that without downplaying the topic.

I'd say that more attention was put to his posts (and it wasnt a one off) as opposed to trax's because Trax's post is just sick and out of order, maybe a reflection of the post itself. A post like that doesnt warrant attention that the poster is so obviously seeking.

I was more suprised at Russ's post because I deem him to be intelligent enough not to make a statement liek that.

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Hmm, i wasnt trying to grab any attention thankyou very much, i have my reasons, also one did NOT say he wished a holocaust on the jewish, nor would i be happy about it happening, but i certainly would not shed a tear.

Funny, if its asians, blacks, or whatever some of you dont like it wouldnt matter :rolleyes:

You may think my post was sick, but i have extremely strong reasons for hating anybody thats jewish, and that is personal/private, thus nothing to do with any of you.

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actually a lot of people on here, maybe not all, would have reacted the same if your post was directed at blacks or asians.

And if its a personal / private matter why put it on a public forum?

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Yet you mentioned your hatred on a public discussion forum. A bit dim, don't you think?

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Spur of the moment.

I'd retract it if i could, but what is done is done and that's that.

Nice to know all of you judge on here without knowing ANY of the reasons behind ones opinion.

I'd understand if i had said i wish someone would turn the gas back on and throw them back in or something, but i wouldnt, because i wouldnt wish it on anyone, ever, genocide is bad no matter who it's against.

I find it highly annoying some of you are here judging me based on one little post, maybe if you had walked through my shoes in life and been through what i have you'd have a very very very different view on things.

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We all have our blonde moments in life. :)

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That's just as sick.

I suspect the reasons do make any sense. Stereotyping a whole race, demonising a whole race, is just ignorant and, in this case, disgusting. How do you even know someone you like is not Jewish? How can you hate a entire race of people on principle? Have you meet all of them?

You can’t even see the fallacy of it

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Your reasons are irrelevant. Nothing can justify the hatred of an entire group of people based on nothing more than religion and/or ethnicity. It's completely illogical.

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Maybe to you, but you havent been through what i have, nor do you know my background, so keep your pre-judgements to yourself.

Funny, i see plenty of racism on here, i have nothing more to say on that point.

No one i know is jewish, i've met enough jews in my life time to never ever ever ever want to be near oen again, when you've walked through my shoes you can sit here and talk back, until then, you can have your view, i'm gonna have mine.

And dont post with your holy highorse all the time, i often see you going on at people on here, your so stuck up yourself it's unbelievable, mr perfect :rolleyes:.

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I suspect the reasons do make any sense[/QUOTE]

Ok.

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Who said it had anything to do with my religion? or anything to do with ethnicity? see there you go again, pre judgemental without knowing the facts.

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Another blonde moment i see. I'm talking about Judaism, not your demographic.
Pre-judgemental? Says the guy with a hatred for every Jew.

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Another blonde moment i see. I'm talking about Judaism, not your demographic.
Pre-judgemental? Says the guy with a hatred for every Jew.[/QUOTE]

Uh-Huh, i said i have nothing else to say on the matter, why carry on?

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This thread has been closed for 20 minutes to allow everybody to pause, take a breath and CALM DOWN.

I cannot be bothered doing a lengthy thread clean-up tonight, so to save myself the bother I will start passing round infractions like sweeties the very next time it kicks off, and I will then close and remove the thread permanently.

There will be no more warnings.

Behave.


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Now re-opened.

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So, from 275k in 2005 to 280k in 2008 - at that rate, Jews will be in the majority in 600 years (if the UK population stays at 60 million).

Be afraid......... be very afraid.


Or not.

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I'm not happy with this thread and I'm disappointed by TraxData. :(

I don't care to participate any further and I shall have a hard job being civil to him in future.

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It's not the first time though, is it?

Well, if you were to post your reasons, then we could post our informed opinions. As it stands, your 'one little post' would get more than a few cheers from the Waffen SS. And apart from hinting at presumably terrible experiences you have had, you have said nothing that remotely justifies what you posted. If you post on a public forum, people will judge you on what you post, not vague references to 'things you've experienced.

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Of course he hasn't posted any reason, because there is no logical reason for hating an entire race. I'm sure he is very aware of that, hence the silence, I wonder how Trax would feel if he needed an operation, and the only doctor capable of doing said operation was Jewish.?....mmmm I wonder.

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No logical reason?

My reason is extremely personal...and full of hatred because of said situation, but carry on jumping to conclusions, i really couldnt care less.

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You care enough to post, and you care enough to have mentioned it in the first place.
You've made unjustifiable comments, and for that you will be judged, it's human nature.

As frogstamper said, there is no logical reason for hating an entire race.

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Well this thread has been an eye opener on a couple of people and not in a good way.

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I also like how Trax takes issue with us "jumping to conclusions" when he has himself jumped to a massive one about the entire jewish race!

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Difference being i have very very good reasons for doing so.

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If my Jewish neighbour said he hated Germans due to his treatment in the concentration camp then I'd at least partially understand where he was coming from, even if the vast, vast majority of Germans today had no part to play in his experiences.

But you could then see why he is weary of the race, even if you disagreed with it.

I for one cannot see why you view every Jew on earth so badly. I cannot think of a single legitimate reason to demonise them ALL.

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no you dont there is no reason to kill a whole race,
you should really keep your vile comments to yourself, people have been locked up for spouting such bile

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Similary I could understand a Palestinian saying he hated Jews, but even then I doubt if I would find one that hates ALL Jews.

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Israelis, rather than Jews, presumably?

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Stop putting words in my mouth, i'm getting mighty ****ing sick of it now.

I never said i wanted to kill the whole jew race, nor have i said i want the whole race dead.

I dont believe in genocide, not on anyone.

Really, some of you guys are real *aherms*.

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You would so not be saying that if you were in my shoes.

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are you on medication for memory loss?
see post #9 or wasnt that you

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*rolls eyes*

i said i wouldnt shed a tear if it happened, which i wouldnt and for good reasons.

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Or jews outside Israel supporting the Israelis. Well even then not all Israeli Jews agree with whats happening in Palestine.

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Well....you've lost me. I'm sure your reason must be a very good one to have such distain for millions of people you've never met based purely on their religion, but I'll be spanked with a jam donut if I could ever figure out what it could be.

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you have just spoiled my mid-afternoon donut :p:

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To some, its almost as distasteful as saying..."6 million people dying/being killed/being gassed/being murdered etc etc isnt so bad in context of the global population of x billion" or words to that effect.

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I'm getting pretty much tired of you taking what I said and adding bits to suit your agenda. Nowhere did I say "it isn't so bad". I've admitted I'm having difficulty getting my point across but I guess you conveniently missed my posts where I say how horrific I believe the holocaust to be.

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Russ, I dont have any agenda against you, stop being so paranoid. I have read your posts about how you find the holocaust horrific. You were asked earlier by another poster to think back and post again to explain what you mean when you put the death of 6,000,000 jews in context of the world population and you failed to respond.

All I am trying to point out that Trax has said something distasteful, not on the same scale as what you said, but that hasn't been the only cooment made in bad taste on this thread.

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I'm not able to yet and I'm hoping I can get the point across from staying in the thread.

So do you take back your accusation that I have said (or implied) that 6 millions deaths in the holocaust "isn't so bad"?

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This is what you said across a couple of posts......



You have tried to make a point in 2 posts, both of which suggest to a reader that you feel 6 million in the grand scale of things compared to total populations isnt so bad (If you take into regard the other posts around yours. Can I make my point any clearer than that?! So no, I see no reason to take anything back. Once you have explained what you originally meant to say I will post accordingly.

Now I will re-iterate, I dont have an agenda against you, I dont care what you background is, I dont have an agenda against your views or your lifestyle. But if I do find something in bad taste on this forum, I will hilight it and take issue with it, as everyone is entitled to.

I just sometimes wish you'd stop thinking that people who oppose your views have some form of agenda against you. Sop taking it so personally.

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Let me make this totally clear to you: I have never (and would never) say I believe the events of the holocaust are "not so bad" (to use your words).

You have totally ignored my comments in posts 54 and 57 about how I would never downplay the seriousness of what happened. I wonder why you overlooked those comments in favour of others. No agenda you say? OK.....

Because I'm having trouble getting my point across my posts might look like the contradict themselves, fair enough and I accept that. But why did you take the negative view first? Why not the positive and the benefit of the doubt?

No agenda you say? OK....

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You might want to add, "But 6 million dying isnt so bad in the context of things." - which is clearly what you have said.

Remember we were discussing the number of Jews who died in the Holocost. Its easy to make an assumption that the statements are related. Can you see where the confusion lies? Or do you still feel I, and anyone else who disagrees with you, has an agenda against you.

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No I havent ignored any of your other posts. I am commenting on what you wrote regarding context and numbers killed. You dont have to be antisemetic to downplay the holocost, statements such as you have posted (to which no other explanantion has been given - i believe you cant back out of what you said at the time) downplay it just enough.

Oh that word again Agenda..... can you explain what agenda you feel i have against you, I could do with a laugh, Im still peeved off at Wednesdays result.

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Why would I want to add that when I have never said that? I can see you're doing your best to attribe me to things I have not said so allow me one last time to put you straight.

I said:

I've even highlighted the important bit so there's no confusion. Do I say anything about 6 million people dying not being so bad? Or do I say it's not a massive number? I concede that comparing that number to world population was an unwise move as it's come out wrong but nowhere, and read this carefully, nowhere have I said the deaths of anyone is "not so bad".

I really have no idea why you insist on this campaign of putting my name to such awful things. You say it's no agenda...well you can say it as much as you want, I'll reserve judgement until you can admit I have not said anyone's death is "not so bad". My own feeling is you misread what I originally posted but have gone too far in to this to back out, with pride stopping you from admitting your mistake. Whatever the situation, I have not, and would never say that anyone's death is 'not so bad'.

Sorry to keep on about it but you have insisted on painting me in a very bad light despite me putting you right on numerous occasions.

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:zzz:Yaaaaaawn..... We need a Bored smiley too I think.

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I agree Russ

When you compare it to the 25 million Russians that were killed or the 10 million Chinese that were killed in a holocaust forgotten by the world, I'd agree and it's easy to get bogged down with numbers but of course they are just figures are they, each number is a human and each one lost is a tragedy