Baseball bat victim hit 14 times by an Asian!
 

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Yet another RACIST attack on an indigenous Briton that does not interest the National media.......:mad:

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"including an elderly man who, fearing for his safety, emerged from his home with the bat "

Is it just me or is that whole statement a complete contradiction if you fear for your safety you lock your bloody door you don't grab a baseball bat and wander outside. Also Trevor i know you won't like to think of it this way but maybe the asian guy sees someone coming towards him with a baseball bat and got a certain idea in his head same idea i would have got. Can you please stop trying to represent everything as racially motivated against whites when very often it isn't that way.

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They don't only ignore racist murders..

An acquantance of mine (White and English) was killed by a man he met in the pub (also White and English) after an argument about a game of darts.

Admittedly, the Police couldn't charge the man with Murder (even though he had a six-inch blade, there was no actual evidence of pre-meditation), so he was actually convicted of ABH.

The whole incident barely rated a mention in the middle of our local papers, and wasn't mentioned at all by the national papers.

I have heard a rumour that this is because it happened near an incredibly expensive housing estate (even though it happened nearly 15 years ago now, the average house price on that estate was nearly £1,000,000), the news was quietly buried because the local residents association was scared of the impact on house prices. I don't know how true this rumour is.

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Ms Shant said witnesses had heard Dosanjh shout a racist comment at Mr Hadley during the attack.

If is was the other way around: the attacked shouted racial abuse at the Asian would that be the same..not racist..i hardly doubt it.

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Let's see - ONE asian guy, admitedly drunk, surrounded by more than one white person of whom one is carrying a baseball bat.

I know what I'd be thinking if there was more than one white person, one carrying a baseball bat walking towards me.

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trevortt,

There is a gang of black guys that hang around on a street corner waiting to mug people.

A fat person walks by. "Give me yer wallet you fat *******", they say.

A thin tall person walks by. "Give me yer phone you lanky ****", they say.

A french person walks by. "Give me yer baguette you cheese eating ******", they say.

A white person walks by. "Give me yer coat you white ******", they say.



Do you get the point?

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trevortt, took me a while but i get it now, your saying the white man is being racisct because he brought the bat along and therefore had intention to do damage to the asian??

Had they let the asian alone nothing would have happened

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It doesnt interest me either - Its just an attack, there are hundreds evcery day. Get a life T!

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Dosanjh, of Duncan Road, Derby, allegedly grabbed the bat while the elderly man's attention was distracted and attacked Mr Hadley.

When in the article does it say the white man grabbed the bat and attacked the Asian?

Do yourself a favor and read the full article before you make a silly comment.

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It must have interested you..after all, you did reply to the subject.

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I'd say that the old man (do we know his age, i am not going to read the rticle again) is a thuggish troublemaker for coming out to attack a drunken asian man with a baseball bat?

She said remonstrations, during the early hours of July 29 last year, were said to have alerted neighbours, including an elderly man who, fearing for his safety, emerged from his home with the bat to try to reason with Dosanjh.

I fail to understand why someone already inside his own house - and fearing for his own safety - not the safety of others - would come out of it in the early hours of the morning and head towards another house tooled up with a baseball bat.

He could have called the police if he was that concerned. If he had stayed in then it could be safe to conclude that the guy who died would most likely still be alive as the attacker wouldn't have a baseball bat to hand.

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I could be wrong, but there doesn't appear to be any racial motivation here - unfortunately, it appears to be an argument that could be attributed to the accuseds insobriety, that ended tragically :shrug:

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Ms Shant said that, moments later, Mr Hadley, who had left his house nearby with a female friend to buy some cigarettes, became involved in an argument with Dosanjh and the pair scuffled in the street.

The court heard that after the initial fight, Dosanjh, of Duncan Road, Derby, allegedly grabbed the bat while the elderly man's attention was distracted and attacked Mr Hadley.

Read the article properly.

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No racial motivation...whats this then...

Although, because its a racist comment against a white person its not racist is it..silly me.

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So, a drunk man makes a comment to someone that may be racial? Do you know what the comment was? I don't, but I'm also willing to accept that, in the heat of the moment, something inappropriate may have been said. However, how do we know that no comments were made to the accused?

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That does not mean it was a racist attack, only that Dosanjh made a racist comment. There is no evidence that this attack was made because the guy was white. He was already angry, and got into a argument and then into a fight. All of this was triggered because of the fact he drunk, distressed/angry, and outside his ex-girlfriends house.

He did not go there to attack white people.

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Ok so let me get this straight then our dear old man that was in fear of his safety but went outside his house that he could have stayed in if he was that scared went outside with a baseball bat (an object all old age people have) because of this drunk asian. Once outside and still being in fear of his safety from said drunk asian something else then occupy's our dear old mans attention causing him to lose his baseball bat which is then used to attack the man that has taken his female friend out with him to get some ciggies. Also at some point or another our now crazed drunken asian :rolleyes: has stopped for no reason whatsoever being interested in his ex girlfriend (his reason for being there in the first place) and is now caving some poor innocent guys head in for absolutely no reason. Sorry i have reason to doubt this story on so many levels and Trevor the fact you can even attempt to use this for whatever agenda is also hilarious.

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Maybe not but what i am trying to get at is the fact that if the victim was black or Asian and the attacker was white this story would have racist all over it but because the attacker was Asian and the victim white it does not get much coverage at all and like most people on here have already stated, it cannot be classed as racist.

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Trevor, can you read the article properly.

Can i summarise the events as the article itself puts it.

1) Drunk Asian man in street in the early hours arguing outside ex girlfriend's house.

2) elderly man fearing for his own safety comes out of his house in the early hours armed with a baseball bat.

3) Asian man gets involved with white 20 year old - and at some point - grabs the baseball bat of the 'eldery' man and hits 20 year old white guy, killing him

4) allegations are made that the DRUNKEN asian guy fired of a racial comment.

Trevor do you fail to grasp my logic that if the old man handnt come out of the street with a baseball bat - fearing for his own safety mind (did he expect asian guy to knock on his door, kick it in and beat him up) then the asian guy would not have had the ability to kill someone with a baseball bat?

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Its a story..there is no agenda behind it.

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he might have killed him with a brick a knife or any number of other things;) tip for anyone who owns a bat for self defence. Buy a wooden one not ali . Drill a hole though the thinner end. Attach a length of strong leather to said hole just big enough to fit over your hand and around the wrist. Said baseball bat (or anything else for that matter ie pick axe handle) is then a lot harder to get off you ;)

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Just curious, why wooden and not aliminium though? Would you still not be able to drill through aluminium, or would the edges around the hole eventually cut into the leather?

And slightly back on topic, no knife or bricks or anything else was found at the scene i dont hink. Well he could have used his beer can (Assuming he had one)

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what difference does that make? the law makes the distinction between a racial attack and as far as im concerned it cuts both ways even if both parties are racsist. However I think the discinction should be in law and the fact it is imo is discrimatory towards white men as its a lot less likely for them to go to the police saying he called me names. This case brings the old kids saying "STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME" this guy used a stick and broke bones any names made no difference

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Well drilling ali is a bit of a waste of a nice bat ;)

I know for a fact if I had to I could rip someones throat out with my bare hands or kick someone to death if the situation demanded it so it still could have resulted in death irrelevent of the bat

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I'm not saying that it does make a difference but, having read the article, I can't see any specific mention of it being a racially motivated crime. The fact that white men are less likely to report such incidents isn't discriminatory - maybe if more did, we wouldn't be positions like this where any such incident is immediately described as racially motivated.

I stand by what I said - a drunk guy makes a comment that a witness perceives as being racist. Without wishing to cast doubt on this witness, none of us were there to confirm that it was a racist comment :shrug:

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My point is that this "racially motivated " should imo be removed in law . Beating a guy up cuz he spilt a pint over me imo is no different to beating up some asian guy .I would still be a violent thug whichever the case and giving harsher sentences for one over the other is just wrong

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Ah, apologies zing - I misinterpreted what you posted. To be honest, I'm inclined to agree with you - using this specific case as the example, racial motivation or not is completely by the by. At the end of the day, someone has died as a result of someone elses actions - we already have laws covering murder and manslaughter and, in some cases, additional causes (be they real or implied) can, in some cases, only serve to muddy the waters.

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Its my fault I do not express myself well at times lol

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I think a racial motivation could make a difference where there could be a case of manslaughter as opposed to murder. On the whole though if you attack and kill someone, I dont think your sentence should be dependent on wether you were racist or not during the attack. Murder should carry a minimum life sentence either way.

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I think Zingy is right too.I've been getting very worried by the way we always instantly look to see if violence is racially motivated before we acknowledge that it is a crime.Sometimes GBH is GBH and murder is murder and ethnic origins can be totally incidental.

I'm worried that we think a racially motivated crime is worse than a non racially motivated crime.All crime is bad surely and not to be tolerated.:erm:

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Manslaughter implies killing someone without intent ie you punch someone he falls down bangs his head and is dead. If someone is repeatedly kicked whilst down although sometimes in law he will only get a manslaughter charge should be murder. Personally I can look after myself if needed but I do not need to ive not had a fight for a long time and that was when a friend was knocked to the floor and was kicked by a group. Any groups kicking a single person intends to do serious damage and if that person being hit is on the floor the perps know that there is a chance one of the blows could kill so they all should be done for murder. To many violent criminals get off the hook in whats nothing more than a plea bargain

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Well it's nice to see that peace has broken out in here :D

Oh and while we're all apologising, can I just offer my lovely wife a sincere apology for me being a stubborn, awkward old git! :)

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I personally think that a crime should be treated as a crime. The cause is irrelevant.

That article appears to be presenting this crime as racially motivated, but what if the racial comment was just a shout expressing anger? The Asian guy was drunk (which does bring out whatever violent tendencies anyone has), and he had already fought with the victim. It's entirely possible that he just shouted the first thing thing that came into his head as an insult without meaning anything racist by it

That's not to say I am defending the Asian guy. He got drunk. He had a fight. He killed someone, so he is in the wrong, and should be punished.

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What are you apologising to the wife for? We're the ones that have to put up with you ;)

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Strange, I don't see any comments in this story (where two white guys killed an Asian) about it being a racist attack :confused:

Or do you only find evidence that backs up your viewpoint :dozey:

In fact, the Met Commissioner attacked the press on the under-reporting of this crime, as it happened on the same day as Tom ap Rhys Price's murder, which was given extensive coverage.

btw, can I just say how shocked and amazed I was when I found another new thread from trev which involved the phrase "indigenous Briton" - it is so unusual for that to happen. :D

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Hey, watch it you!!!!..... :)

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Wonder why :scratch: :D

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I'm in broad agreement with the opinions stated in the last few posts, the crime is what should be punished.

- with one caveat that I do believe motive should be taken into account when sentencing, but racism, in my opinion shouldn't be 'weighted' so highly.

- to try & explain what I mean, the 'racism' card, I believe, is in danger of detracting from the actual crime, so a 'racist' attack is being punished for the racialism, not the attack???

However, I don't mean it is ok to be racist, so long as you don't attack anyone ... :)

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M'eh - zing couldn't even reach my throat :D

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Yeh - but ponder what he could reach and rip out.............. :shocked:

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:shocked:

Not the knees!

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Begins with kn.........

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You're right, not the knees :erm: :shocked: :disturbd:

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No need to get all teste...

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Sweet........




meats..............





I believe it's called an orchidectomy, and it's got nothing to do with flowers - here today, gonad tomorrow

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Now come on lads this is a serious subject here.Someone did get killed..

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Agreed and apologies.

But to be fair, the last couple of posts do reflect the OP's normal way of talking/posting (imho).

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You know the biggest racists i see are those that harp on and on and bloody well on about it in every post they make . Get the hint yet ?

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Are we all feeling like converting to a certain person's perspective yet guys :).

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Funnily enough, no...

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ditto to that

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The white man took the bat with him and the asian grabbed it, hence the white man took the bat with him with intent to use it if needed. Apparently you dont understand logic or have a rational arguement

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I can't see that happening. Would you know how to influence the papers re what they report on? I wouldn't! :(

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Can't see this mentioned anywhere in the thread, but the national media (at the time of the murder) did cover it.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/d...re/6931125.stm

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That probably wasn't the reason, but it didn't get reported in the national press..

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No an elderly man took the bat out not the victim the Asian man took it off him apparently you didnt read the story lol

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ok ok i assumed the elderly man was white

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thats totally irrelevent. If a group of yobs were causing trouble outside my house and their was a need for me to intervene then my stick would be taken out and I would be willing to use it if needed but that does not make me a bringer of trouble just an ender of trouble ( oh and my stick is a metal bar with said leather wrist strap ;))

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no its not, by saying "hence the white man took the bat with him with intent to use it if needed" i meant the old man and not the one who was killed.


ahh youve expanded your post

what i was eluding to was if the old man was white was he not intending to make a "racist" attack (in trevortt's eyes)

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then you should have posted it clearer then

I agree with your expansion of your post :)

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pot, kettle black (ooppsss is that racist)

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I have seen the light, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!

Funnily enough, the light was coming from a burning cross............ :D

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No.

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Owned LMAO

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:D

Irony, thy name is trevor.................

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Slightly off topic, but wouldnt that be just escalalting the situation. You mention "if there is a need for me to intervene", in my opinion there are too many people who feel a need to intervene in a manner which can only make matters worse. You (im talking generally not specifically you) go out with a baseball bat, then a) you're not acting in self defence, b) there is some potential for the situation to escalate.

This old man somehow felt threatened for his own saftey, even tho he was in his own house. He went out with a baseball bat. Whatever happened the baseball bat ends up being used as the murder weapon.

We can harp on till the cows come home about how the Sikh guy could have used a brick or a knife or whatever if he wanted to kill him. We could also argue that the intention to kill was only made after he saw the obvious weapon.

I reckon if the old man hadn't gone out with a weapon, we would have one man in hospital suffering from cuts and bruises and an asian guy on an ABH or GBH charge, not murder.

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Curious...too many people who feel the need to intervene? where are you from? most people will turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is happening in this day and age, if it wasnt for people like zingle there would be alot more beatings/murders going on..

Perhaps you should show a little more respect for people who are helping ;)

And no, if someone is going to commit murder, they'll do it regardless of who "intervenes"....

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Going out with a baseball bat sure prevented this situation from getting worse. You're assumption is based on the guy already deciding to kill someone? then if this was the case he would have already had a weapon with him.

This got out of hand and the presence of a guy with a baseball bat is a contributary factor to the murder.

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Nah...most people who commit murder do so without a weapon.

It may have cotributed to the situation (in a bad way) but he still would have murdered someone.

And besides,regardless of the old man coming outside with a bat, he did commit murder...so he shouldnt be walking the streets anyway...anyone capable of commiting murder shouldnt be roaming aorund.


So it's still a good ending (in the sense that he isnt walking the streets anymore)

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I would only intervene if mine or my property became at risk .Maybe it would escalate a situation but I will protect those I love and property I own

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Thats why I wasn't aiming what I said spcifically at you.

If my property and family was being threatened I'd do the same. Or if I saw someone laying into a defenseless person I would (nd have done so in the past) intervene - tho not necessarily with a weapon.

If a couple of drunks are having a scuffle down the road, I'd call the police. I wouldnt go down and contribute to the situation with a weapon.

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It may have cotributed to the situation (in a bad way) but he still would have murdered someone.

And besides,regardless of the old man coming outside with a bat, he did commit murder...so he shouldnt be walking the streets anyway...anyone capable of commiting murder shouldnt be roaming aorund.


How do you know he would still have murdered someone, if he hadn't have taken the bat then the other person may have kicked the **** out of him.Your last statement implies that 90% of the population shouldn't be roaming around because no one knows who is capable of commiting murder until it happens.

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Seems to me there is a big bit of this story we know nothing about that bit of course being why did this guy go from trying to see his girlfriend to murdering someone. Everyone seems to be assuming this guy just went off on one but i am not so sure thats all that happened. I am not defending the guy but i think there is a lot more to this then we know and until we know all of it we shouldn't go too far in our suggestions or what we say about the individual concerned.

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Exactly... One minute he's arguing with his girlfriend, the next he is murdering someone with a baseball bat. In between we know someone came out witha baseball bat.

Maybe the asian guy was attacked or threatened by baseball weilding fella, then grabbed the bat and killed first guy.

Whats even stranger is if you read the entire link posted by the OP it looks like the asian guy went back to the old mans house, got some coke off him and then knicked the bat??!!! Or am I going dooolally?

What is true is that we dont know the facts. People are assuming because he ended up killing someone he is a scummy murderor. We dont even know if he was acting in self defence.