Riot police on standby in Manchester
 

One of the big screens that's showing the match live has failed.

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Well that's not going to make it work, idiots. :erm:

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They didn't miss much.

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The city centre is trashed!

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How can you tell.;)

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Because we have a nice city centre and now its covered in broken glass and scaffolding posts

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Only joking. I visit Manchester often. It's a cool place. Last time I was there the Police advised the pubs in the city centre to close because of some football trouble is it a regular event.

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Only day they do that is Derby day, so no not really.

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Im glas you said city Centre as mosside/hulme aint to pretty after 10pm

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Not really a regular event...

I guess that all of Birmingham is pretty then? ;)

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Where were the litter police? Imagine the amount of money the council could have made there from on-the-spot fines. Or is it just apple droppers they're after? ;) Bottles were thrown at the police, thank goodness it wasn't apples! Video

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Ban football...its clearly full of yobs :D

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That's all football is about these days they should ban it...' All pathetic anyway the way they behave even without rioting, all loud and over the top. Like little spoilt brats, TV's not working so throw a tantrum...pathetic. The police could have had this well under control before it happened.

football just a money making thing that preaches to those that are like sheep - there's more to life than football. Loved the photo on MEN link one guy knelt down looks like he has a joint in his hand...'

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Rangers fans you cant take them anywhere ;). The minority as always giving real fans a bad name but it seems to be a regular thing that needs sorting out

They need to be careful or they will end up getting kicked out of Europe.

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Wrong, I know many big clubs that can take 100,000 plus fans to to anywhere in Europe and there will be no trouble

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Are you still living in the 70's and 80's? Because there is rarely ever any football violence these days. And if you had travelled hundreds of miles from Glasgow to Manchester having to spend lots of money to get there just for the screen to not be working, i think you would be slightly annoyed. Maybe you don't understand how passionate some people are about sport, but missing one of the biggest matches in your teams history because of a 'technical error' is not going to make people happy and is not being a 'spoilt little brat' or 'pathetic' if anyones pathetic it's the organisers who failed to get the screen working.

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To start a riot because a TV broke down isn't passionate, its completely irrational, even if they had travelled from Scotland.

I agree that to tie riots to football is outdated, but to defend these animals is just unbelieable

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Well said. From what I've heard after the screen failed there were buses put on to take them to somewhere else where another screen was so it was not like they were going to miss the match

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I wasn't defending them starting a riot, i just said they have every right to be angry that the screen wasn't working. Being angry doesn't mean you have to riot. It's unclear whether the screen not working or them losing the game started the riot, the reports when the screen wasn't working were that there were just a few bottles thrown at the screen and not a riot. Obviously rioting is not the answer and i'm not defending that.

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That was after the match had started i believe and there was a hell of a lot of fans to move there so many would have missed the majority of the match.

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First sentiment EVER from you that I kinda agree on ;)

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Maybe so but even if they would have stayed at the place with the broken screen they would have missed it anyway

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They acted like spoilt children.

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I hate to see an scottish team getting beat but the scottish media did not help on Wednesday the Sun said 'Your turn now Barry' the media up here was thinking Rangers will just turn up and they will win.

I hate to say it but last night was an good result for football I mean any team own plays 4-5-1 in the final is an lucky team to win it.

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Well Rangers were outplayed and I guess there is always next season for them :)

My mate in the office just sent this joke to me

What does a rangers do after winning the 2008 Uefa cup

Turns off the xbox and gets into bed :D

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Yes football was the winner last night. Although Zenit were far from the classy outfit this morning's press would have us believe, they certainly did play football at times despite Rangers' attempts.

I do feel some sympathy for the vast majority of Rangers fans, many with kids, who went down there to enjoy a carnival atmosphere. It's always the moron minority who spoil it.

Banning football isn't the answer and would solve nothing apart from depriving millions of people of their favourite team sport.

It's a society problem. Football has by and large done what it can do but these are the same types of eejits that will cause trouble in most major towns and cities every weekend. A call to ban alcohol might be more effective but just as unworkable.

Not excusing these thugs in anyway but were Manchester Police wise to allow them to dring all day in the open air. It seems to me they bottled tackling that problem earlier in the day.

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Oh shush you - the only reason that you want to ban football is 'cos there isn't any once you get past Bristol ;)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7402858.stm

Here's some more footage of what went on. :mad:

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There's various clips of what happened on Youtube too.

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I have been a football fan all my life, from the days, when you were scared to go on the terraces, and walk down the high street, becuase of football thugs, Luckily, those days were gone and you could then take the family to football, and l was aproud man when l started taking my son's and grandchildren, to WHL, but then l took them when we played Cardiff in the cup last season, and it was scary, when the Cardiff fans turned up, banging on the glass, to fight us, a policeman told us don't attempt to take kids in or if you are going in come out early, the scenes that l saw on TV today from Manchester and concerning Rangers fans was a disgrace, and they are a disgrace to there club, and all this started over a broken TV screen, why didn't they go into local pubs, where they would have had the football on, please, please don't bring this violence back, if you can't hold your drink or control your anger, stay away, and let genuine fans enjoy the game, before and after the match.:mad::mad:

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There's obviously something being put in our drinks.

First Zeph (kinda) agreeing with trevortt, and now I agree with Arthur's sentiments.




(looks for tin-foil helmet, just in case)

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That's the thing though, the police are in a catch-22 situation. They could have been heavy-handed and broke the crowds up, but it could have kicked off then. :shrug:

The Rangers fans were all over town and around where I work and they were no problem whatsoever.

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100,000+ fans and these *bleeping* idiots have to go and ruin it for everyone else.

Not one arrest in the away games leading up to the final but then the drunken halfwits who wouldn't know one end of Ibrox from the other end up going to Manchester, getting tanked up and generally disgracing themselves and Rangers fans in general. :mad:

Still I see some of the ones who decided to have a go at the Police ended up on the wrong end of a savaging by a land shark. :D

I hope the 11 who have been charged get absolutely hammered by the courts and Manchester never get given another large sporting event again.

On the brighter side all the people I know who were down in Manchester didn't see any trouble and had a great time.

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Why? I thought they did as much as they'd could, especially arranging another screen elsewhere at short notice and offering to bus them with a police escort. More than i'd have done anyway.

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I think a better idea is banning Rangers from Europe next season then never giving Manchester another large sporting event again.

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It's the overall lack of planning for fans. They would have known there was a decent chance of a British team reaching the final when they bid for the final.

When Rangers got the last 8 or even 4 they should have started making more plans. They only relented in setting up screens at all on Sunday, if they had planned properly they could have testing things instead of trying to wing it.

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But the fact is they didn't have to put big screens up for fans, why should they have done? They already need to have a large number of police at the actual stadium for the match so they could have easily said a few days before the game there would be no big screens for fans and tell them not to bother going if you dont have a ticket. It would have been much easier for them to organise and handle, but they let the Rangers fans come and facilitated them only for them to riot, what a nice thank you that was. Now they wont be showing the Champions league final next week on big screens with a team from their own city playing in it because of what happened, so thanks Rangers fans for spoling it for everyone else.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/05/67.jpg

A snarling, inbred, vicious animal. Oh and a Police dog ;)

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If they had ever spoken to a football fan they'd have known that they tend to travel following their team regardless if they have tickets or not.
When it became clear there was a chance of a UK team being in the final they should have made plans in advance.

What would they have done if Everton got to the final? Just hope they would stay in Liverpool?

It's part of the deal of hosting large sporting events, you are going to get hangers on and travelling fans. Manchester didn't have a proper plan to deal with large numbers of them

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I don't understand what you mean by proper plans. They had numerous screens up around Manchester, i don't think they can be blamed for there being a technical fault but even then they had buses straight away taking fans to other screens. I would understand you saying that they didn't have proper plans if those buses weren't available but to me it sounds like they planned it pretty well. I think some fans went there just looking for a fight and used the screen breaking as an excuse for it and then others joined in when they lost.

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Up until Sunday they hadn't made any solid plans for big screens or decent sized fan zones. They were just saying that people without tickets shouldn't travel knowing full well that would fall on deaf ears.

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I would have thought they just used the plans they were going to use for next wednesday, but now aren't because of bunch of drunk Scots that were looking for a fight.

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Should have taken away all the booze and given them marijuana, things would have been so different.

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These idiots demonstrated all the qualities required to be a complete dick. I drove along the lancs in Swinton yesterday, among happy fans, waving the Union & Scottish flag. What happened to turn some of these people into animals. They are a damned disgrace.

The Police were less than professional, their anti riot squad was a complete shambles, running away leaving a man alone. You never withdraw like that.

A bad day for sport.:shocking::sniper:

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Blame Tesco.. they were selling discount lager in Manchester from 9am onwards - by the CRATE... and then of course, the open booze areas open from 10am... yeah, I can see where that might lead to problems later on....

The guys who were in charge of getting a signal for the large screen tv? Oh yeah.. where were they all afternoon when they were supposed to be setting it up?

All that rubbish and litter will take time to clean - who is going to pay the bill for that eh? ah yeah, Manchester... yeah, we would appreciate a little financial incentive for cleaning up all that mess...........

And now? they're saying that the smell of beer, vomit and urine will take a few weeks to properly clear up... they're not recommending you have your kids running through the fountains in Piccadilly Gardens either.......

Avoid Manchester? yup....

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City of Manchester should just bill Rangers FC for the damages

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Erm they never have, plus that waters full of chlorine so its no worse than a swimming pool

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I guess with all big games you get hangers on. Lets hope with some of the vids on you tube somoneone shops a few of those muppets

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I'm a Celtic fan (as some will have gathered by some of my previous posts) but have total sympathy for those people who went down there, many with children, to enjoy a carnival type atmosphere. Even before the muppets kicked off in the evening it was clear that Manchester City authorities were ill prepared for so many people. Some of my friends who were there (Rangers fans but nobody's perfect ;)) said it was quite clear by early afternoon that there was insufficient basic facilities laid on. Not enought toilets, no litter bins, accidentally broken glass on the street at that stage without any signs of their being any attempts to clean it up. The Manchester authorites were quite happy to boast about the £25 million pounds the final was bringing to the local economy. They might have used a small fraction of that to provide decent sanitation facilities.

There are also some reports that a large section of the 200 baying mob who attacked the lone PC had Mancunian accents!!

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I would not have been suprised if there was a few local hangers on

Celtic fan here too but as I remember we took near the same amount of fans to our UEFA Cup final and there was not a problem :). I guess with it being so close to Glasgow and Belfast (both Rangers and Celtic have big a Irish support) It was easy for the pondlife to get there

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I wonder how many of the foreign press will blame English football supporters....

I have to say though, that clip of the officer falling over and those brain donors swarming all over him was pretty upsetting and I was amazed to see him get up from it.

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I wonder how many families of coppers saw that and had memories of PC Blakelock all over again :(

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They've just discovered the cause of the screen problem. Former Celtic legend spotted in Manchester at 7.45 on Wednesday night.

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Attack of the "Green Men" I thought it was gremlins that broke it :)

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Speaking to people who are coming back from it there were quite a lot of English accents in the crowd. Still no excuse though, the TV clearly shows 'fans' in Rangers tops involved.

And not badly injured as well. :tu:
Once the adrenaline wore off it would have been nasty for him. I hope the people involved in that get screwed to the wall by the courts.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7404185.stm

This man, like most police officers has SERIOUSLY big cahoonas.

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There is an interesting piece in the Daily Record today.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-20418966/

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It's funny to read all the excuses about and how the Scots are trying to worm out of it, 'oh it was the English mainly' and 'the city wasn't prepared'. I'm sorry but none of these can excuse what happened and the majority were quite clearly Rangers fans in all the videos i've seen causing the trouble. I can't see how and why they are trying to clear their name, i hope UEFA has a look at this and dishes out a punishment to Rangers.

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Thats just typicial they blame it on the Irish fans ;). If it had been the "Irish fans" they would have known all about it. I'm sure there were many "accents" there as Rangers has a world wide fan base.

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You must be reading a different thread from me. I don't see anybody making excuses for the pavement scraping minority who caused the trouble. I'd be quite happy for Rangers to be punished as my team would probably benefit from it :) but that wouldn't actually deter the low life that were responsible. Uefa have already stated that what happened is not their problem. They were perfectly happy with the security and behaviour of the support at the Stadium.

Rangers do have a large worldwide support and do have official supporters clubs in every major town and city in England. I don't see anywhere in the thread a claim that it was "mainly" English but there is a strong indication that there was a signicant contingent of supporters or hangers on from England and Northern Ireland.

The Manchester authorites should have visited the city of Seville which only a few years ago played host to an unexpected influx of 80000 Celtic fans for the Uefa Cup final. Now that was a party. Organised by people who undertood the needs of a large crowd and attended by people who know how to party.

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He didn't fall he was tripped up deliberately.

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I wasn't refering to anyone in this thread, more to what i've read in the media like this-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7403546.stm

and the earlier link given.

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But, as this info from that article shows, we shouldn't let the majority be blamed for a small minority of mindless idiots.
""I saw two lads coming from my right; I thought they were going to have a go," he said.

"But one of them shouted at me saying, 'I'm British Army, I'm a medic'. He grabbed me by the collar and he propelled me up the street. "If they had not come along at that point I'd have been in big trouble. I'd have been seriously injured. I knew I was going to get done over. "

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Whereas that's true, it seems like they were the minority that night.

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Man United parade off after riots :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7405591.stm

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No budget for clean up now

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It's not off it's postponed. It's still annoying though. I don't see the reason for doing this, i cannot see there being any trouble at a parade, every other time theres been a parade theres been no trouble at all. It seems Rangers fans have managed to give ALL football supporters a bad name now.

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Here's the man

It sounds like they should be honoured to have this guy on board. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mind you, the article states that Mr Bardslay, from Openshaw, Greater Manchester, had just left an internet cafe in Newton Street when the violence broke out, so it's questionable he actually was there as a Rangers supporter.

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*If* it all went down that way then yes.
However it all seems a bit superman-ish doesn't it? (Or is it just me?)

And anyway what was a local boy doing in the middle of a bunch of rioting Rangers fans? Could it be not all the yobbos were from Scotchland?