whats your opinion on this ?
 

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:dozey:

Some people love to make work for the team.....

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And what happens if, after being found guilty and put to death, further evidence comes to light, or someone else admits that they were the perpetrator of the crime? Just asking...

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How would you bring back to life the ones wrongly convicted (initially proven to be guilty, but later found to be not guilty)?

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Fine have no death penalty but lets have life sentences that actually mean exactly that you are in for the rest of your life. I know we have had bad convictions in the past but i think the chances of it happening these days is a lot less then ever before. Either way we have to do something if we are to deter violent behaviour on the part of a small section of our society.

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If I'm a rapist and facing the death penalty/life long incarceration then I may as well kill the victim to shut them up :rolleyes:

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We should ship criminals to an island, the other side of the world.
Oh wait, we already tried that.

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Oh thats a good policy Paddy we have light sentencing because the criminal is less likely to do major harm to a victim :rolleyes::rolleyes:.

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I think you've been misinformed. Its be conclusively demonstrated before by other members that it costs more, not less, to execute criminals as opposed to life them off.

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I think paddy is making a good point, besides it's hardly light sentencing if the punishment is death and I am not sure it's appropriate to have the same sentence for such a different range of crimes, unless you have things like being hung drawn and quartered for the most heinous crimes. I also agree with your earlier point about having life means life sentences, that's what we were promised when they abolished the death sentence but like most things politicians say, it was a lie

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Yep for instance

Despite no executions in the state since the death penalty was reinstated in 1982, the system has cost New Jersey taxpayers more than $250 million.

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I'm not for the option to execute criminals, as two wrongs do not make a right

Maybe the victim should get some sort of input in what punishment is passed down by the court. The final decision on that would of course still be with the judge

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Ironically, Death Row (which is intended just to be a place to hold prisoners while they are awaiting execution and any appeals) is classified by Amnesty International as a form of torture.

Not that I wish to defend the rights of those who murder, I just find it ironic that something that is probably intended to save lives is considered torture.

Anyhow, there is another point. The Death Penalty clearly isn't (on it's own) a good detterant, as you still get high murder rates in countries/states where the death penalty exists.

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Usually only habitual criminals commit crimes in order to get caught. The rest still believe they can get away with things. If the threat of punishment actually was a deterrent our prisons would be empty :erm: but there again we have more and more laws which if broken are likely to land you in gaol. :dozey:

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I think the case for the death sentence for serial killers holds more water than the death sentence for one-off murderers. The level of doubt is significantly reduced when you have been convicted of more than one murder.
I do agree that if sentenced to life then it should mean life though. Part of the problem is that the definition of murder needs elucidating. Killing someone out of anger/rage is different than accidentally and different to a premeditated killing. It is also very different when you kill several people and cannibalise them or torture them etc. Surely these need better definitions and appropriate minimum sentences apportioning?

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Yeah they colonised it and won't let us in now :rolleyes:

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This is it. A high likelihood of getting caught is a far more effective deterrent than tough sentences imo.

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sorry cant agree with that punky,think of what it costs to feed,clothe,house,give medication,furnish them with nice color tvs,and god knows what else perks the gits get,if they are found guilty beyond doubt or better still admit to their guilt,then there is only one place for them A HOLE IN THE GROUND.

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if you were a rapist paddy you would deserve to die,remember rapists arent choosy about age groups,a child or a baby or a granny wouldnt matter to these b.......s and imo hanging is to good for them.:mad:

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that would be the island that wont let the rest of us in cos were not desirable:rolleyes:

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Unless you want summary executions though. And not even China, North Korea, Iran, etc have those.

I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal and I agree prison regimes are too generous, but I don't agree with summary executions either

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Better idea.

Put the person in Jail.
In solitary confinement.
Give them just enough to eat each day to keep them alive
Give them no contact with the outside world or anyone else in the jail other than the person who brings there food.
Make sure that person does not talk to them unless necessary
No telly, Games machines, Phones NOTHING
Never ever let them out of prison.

In other words punish the *******s for the rest of there lives.

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:notopic: Punky?????????

Have I missed something? :confused:

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See, that to me makes quite a bit of sense.
It should in theory be cheaper than the current system, and be more of a deterrent.
If a mistake is made, you've not killed anyone that is actually innocent.
Ok, they are likely to be psychologically scarred, but that is easier to treat than death.

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Ask the victim which they'd prefer. I'd imagine they'd rather be alive even at the cost of the perpetrator receiving a lighter sentence.

I agree with you (given absolute 100% proof of guilt). However, my point was that if the penalty for rape is the death penalty then it would encourage a rapist/paedo/whatever to go that step further as they have NOTHING to lose by doing it.

Penalty for murder = death penalty
Penalty for rape = death penalty

Having done the rape where's the disincentive to going on to murder?

Actually rather than there being a disencentive, there is now an incentive to go on to kill as its much harder to get a conviction where the victim can't give evidence.

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I was just thinking the same thing - I think we've all missed something :confused:

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Punky has chosen to step down from the team. Nothing to see, move along :)