National ‘papers censor perceived racist Hammer Attack Sentencing story
 

The Press-Media are ****..How CAN they keep this from the public ? It’s THEIR version of `Democracy`. If they dont report it, it didn’t happen…have they NO shame? And if they don’t suffer shame, there`s obviously no pride, as long as they keep plugging their one world agenda.

Despicable,cretins,hand in glove with the LabLibCons.

Read the full article here.

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A despicable attack by a group of morons, I cant see why they got such pitiful sentence's though, normally in these cases if the judge deems the offence was "racially motivated" the sentence is harsh. Irrespective of that it just shows every community has these mindless thugs in it, best place for animals like this is nick..

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Or death by handing after all, we the tax payer, have to pay for these **** whilst their locked up.

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The main perpetrator got 8 years. The rest got varying sentences.

Without knowing the background to the case I can't see anything that would make it racially motivated, unless you take every case where it's an attack on someone of another rce as being racially motivated you need some proof. There are hundreds of reasons why a group of people decided to attack a person.

There are plenty of cases where serious assaults don't make the national papers. I know of at least 5 cases in the last year in the area where I work that have resulted in serious permanent injury and could very easiy of been murder that haven't been reported anywhere except the local rag.

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Why are you not providing a link to the quoted source?

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Does he need to? I think we all have a pretty good idea.

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I was wondering that...could it be that it's a BNP article and Trevor has already worked out that people will pick holes in it because it is a BNP article?

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Surprise, surprise.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/05/nation...tencing-story/

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Bit of a Freudian slip there, trevorino.... ;)

What were you thinking of - fondling them to death? :D

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The new softer, gentler BNP?

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DOES IT MATTER.

---------- Post added at 14:33 ---------- Previous post was at 14:32 ----------

Who gives a crap where the story has come from...idiots the lot of you.

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Just because its a BNP article does not mean it didnt happen does it? The Daily Mail articel clearly states 5 members of an Asian gang beat a white schoolboy. Now I sit here and I am afraid I have to wonder if 5 members of a white gang beat up an Asian boy what chances would the white blokes have to pass it off as none racially motivated?

It was meant to be a one on one fight but the coward bought his gang. Now imo any race problem would not make this a worse crime than it is throw the key away I say

As I have said before assault is assault gbh is gbh and using racial problems to alter the severity of such cases is utter crap

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You are quite right zing it's a terrible crime but I think it's just as disgusting that the BNP used it as propaganda.:mad:

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Only those who follow the BNP will fall foul of it

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Thats the ones :tu: :)

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I think the whole point of trevortt's initial post was that it appears most of the main stream press did not report this story, racist or not, (I feel, as has been said, if it were 5 whites beating up on an Asian or black it would be in most papers and local TV news).

IMO this is censorship, in the same way that when attacks on whites by asian or blacks are reported, very rarely is the ethnicity of the perp reported. When whites attack ethnics it is nearly always reported as such and made out by the authorities to be a racial attack.

Been there, suffered that.:rolleyes:

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I googled "hammer attack swindon" and came up with these
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/6302421.stm

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....34&in_a_source=

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/...n_page_id=1770

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ticle27980.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/ja...kcrime.schools

All from early 2007 - looks like a fair representation of the mainstream media there -
Mail on Sunday
BBC
Metro
Sun
Guardian

And if you type in "Henry Webster" and "hammer" you get a lot more.

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To be fair, those stories report on it going to court, indeed very few seem to have picked up on the outcome.

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Also the BBC report was not your usual "White Racists Attack Asian Man" headline main page report and the Metro is not exactly 'mainstream'.

As Russ says they only report it once it gets to court and where is the outcome?

My belief is if this was a 'white on coloured' attack it would go the course.

I *feel* this country is hell bent on making the white (dare I say that) British people second class citizens by labelling them 'racists'.

Most of the complaints from people who feel like me is not 'racism', it is a plea for fair and equal treatment, both under the law and by social authorities.

It *seems* to be OK for Asian and coloured people (no not just immigrants) to twist our laws, abuse the whites, jump queues (housing or jobs), enjoy our social services ad nauseum, whilst the majority hard working white population are more and more dissaffected and disheartened.

I make no apology for using the terms white, Asian or coloured, because that is what we all are, but I'll bet someone tries to make out it is racist to refer to someone in that way.

Oh well that's probably me off the Cable Forum mods Christmas list again !! :dozey: Good job I'm atheist. :D

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erm, how about these at the end of February 2008, when the judge lifted reporting restrictions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7268763.stm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/28/ukcrime2

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle857543.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3708820.ece

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Errr over a million copies of the Metro are given out across the UK each morning. The only figures I can find put it's readership at 2.2 million a day.

Hardly some lunatic fringe rag. If you want that try the Express ;)

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Really? I don't feel second class.


Is it? Do you have anything to back that up? Anything at all?

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Inequality?The only time I experienced inequality was when I was a teenager and wimmin were expected to be housewives and mothers or nurses not doctors or anything remotely technical and highly paid.The white male was doing very well indeed but at the expense of a great swathe of people.Not only were us women discriminated against but so were people of differing colour,the blind,the deaf,the 'handicapped',differing religions and a variety of ethnic minorities .

Amazing, a bit of balancing things out using the law and suddenly it's all gone too far says a small number of beleaguered whites.Well hello I don't actually see that whites have got is quite so bad as it was in the bad old days.

:rolleyes:

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So to summerise, Trevor's done his usual trick of regurgitating an inaccurate BNP article.
After a few seconds searching, foreverwar has shown that the incident was reported across the main media, there was a reporting ban which was then lifted and the outcome of the court case was reported too, thus showing the inaccuracies of the BNP article.
The court heard that the white lad had barged into a gang of asians in a school corridor, and had agreed to fight, 1 on 1, outside.
As normally happens when a gang of youths willing to fight over simply being bumped into, rather than it being 1 on 1 they set upon him.
So is it automatically racist because people of two ethnic backgrounds have a fight? In which case, was his planned attack on the one he agreed to fight also racist? Or is it only racist because there were more of them?

Either way, Trevor has given us another excellent example of BNP propaganda, and that he's ready to swallow it. Well done Trevor, thank you for showing just how wrong the BNP really are.

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Putting Trevor to one side (though trevor never damn well stays there) there is a point here that has been raised. If this had been 5 white lads onto a single asian or other ethnic group by god you couldn't miss this story in the media but otherway round and it has been obviously very easy to miss. I do think there is a greater use of racial motivation when it is whites involved in an attack on other races then when they attack whites and that has to be addressed if only so groups like the BNP can no longer make use of it for their own ends (which as we all know has sod all to do with the lad in this case).

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But there was media coverage of this, enough for a judicial restriction on further reporting, and once lifted, plenty of reporting continued.

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It isn't the level of reporting it is the nature of that reporting and how it would have been a lot different had this been 5 white lads doing the attacking that is the problem. Just as some on this forum are quick to call others racist for quite mild views we have a media which despite being classed as right wing seems to be happy to call attacks racist when it is white on ethnic but same attack when it is ethnic on white is not primarily racist motivated. It is the old thing of whites are and can be racist but other ethnic groups can only be the victims of racism and never the racially motivated ones themselves.

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Read what I said - those links didn't pick up on the result. The ones you originally alluded to only reported the case. I'm not saying there was a cover-up or anything - I was just observing ;)

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have a look in the mirror m8.:erm:

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If you are looking for information on anything bad Asians have done, the best source is usually this link.

http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/

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I really want to swear.

Why in hell are we concentrating on hating people of different cultures and backgrounds?

Why are some folk ALWAYS banging on about the worst of all nations rather than looking for the best?So some Asians are bad people but so are lots of whites.Every nation under the sun has it's bad eggs.Conversely every nation under the sun has wonderful caring useful good people.

All this if it was whites it would be plastered all over the papers but because it's Asians it gets ignored is just BS.It was reported by lots of sources.

I just that those who keep peddling the BS would go set up their own website and BS about all this crap there.

Ah someone's already done that..http://www.bnp.org.uk/

And I notice they are already using the latest sad killing to peddle their crap.

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I actually like the asian news link I quoted, and it was only provided to me recently by an asian!

The site although asian is very unbiased, when I first looked at it I saw some nasty crimes that didn't appear to be reported by the BBC for some reason. They report race crimes from both sides of the fence Asian-White and White-Asian, so for me that makes them a lot fairer than some so called trused websites.

I guess some will not accept it as a link for any story if the fact doesn't suit their agenda though.

I have seen a few racist hate sites, but the news stories thay carry often link to newspapers in other countries that are status unknown here. I took a look ages ago at the 'religion of peace' site, how much was lies and how much truth i dont know, but if only 1% of the linked newspaper articles were true about beatings, killings and what they were doing to women was true it is certainly disgusting.

Whats more alarming is the BBC did not carry any of those stories, does that make them all lies or does it say the BBC has an agenda of political and racial correctness i wonder.

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It's called human nature, it's in everyone of us, and the sad truth is, there's not a cat in hells chance we can all live together in perfect harmony, it's just not going to happen. As far as I see it, the only thing that is guaranteed to happen is bloodshed.

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Oh just what I need.Your endless pessimism. :rolleyes:

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Oh, just what I need, your endless sarcasm.

Seriously though, I have reasons to be pessimistic.

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maybe rivers of blood;)

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Ok you are depressed no doubt.Well I'm not.Well not until you start bringing me down.:(

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Let's just change one word, and see how it reads.....

You stated "although asian is very unbiased" - why should the fact that it is asian (or american or british) affect its bias? In fact, if you had looked a little harder, you would have found the website is set up and run by MEN Media, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Guardian Media Group in Manchester. In fact, here are Asian News sister titles -
Asian News sister titles
Manchester Online
Rochdale Observer
Oldham Advertiser
Accrington Observer
Tameside Advertiser
Salford Advertiser
Prestwich Advertiser
Middleton Guardian
North and East Manchester Advertiser
Heywood Advertiser
Stockport Express
Rossendale Free Press
Macclesfield Epxress
Wilmslow Express
South Manchester Reporter
Manchester Metro News

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Takes all sorts to make a world coggy me you and enuff but a small part of it and we don't always get on not surprising that when you extend it to millions of people we don't get on so well either is it.

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Tuff! Just add me to your ignore list like you do with other members that don't behave the way you want them to. BTW, you forgot to add the usual sarcastic smiley. here ya'go :rolleyes:

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I was unaware that it was not a publication from the Asian community, the site was indeed brought to my attention by an Asian person.

Are you suggesting the site is run by a group with motives to make Asians look bad?

You could of simply informed me of that fact without resorting to your usual condescending method, or is that far too much to expect?

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You did what you appear to normally do - make assumptions based in insufficient evidence, then get shirty and defensive when this is pointed out.

I am not suggesting anything of the sort - I think the site is even-handed. It's just that you seemed surprised that a site which you thought was run by Asians was unbiased, and I just pointed out that the site was owned and managed by that well-known left-wing biased group, Guardian Media.

You really need to work out the difference between someone correcting your invalid assumptions (which are usually at the expense of ethnic minorities, strangely enough) and condescencion - there's a world of difference. ;)

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My view on the site was that if anything it highlighted Asian crime, I was surprised at first because it seemed biased towards dragging up all the crimes committed by Asians it could find.

My assumption was valid and based on the amount of stories about asian run businesses, I applaud the site for not being like other large organisations that choose not to report any stories that may be politically or racially incorrect in some peoples eyes.

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How can your assumption that it was an Asian site be valid, when it is owned and published by Guardian Media?

What you stated
points out, imho, our different viewpoints - my view on the site was that it presented what it believed was of interest to the British Asian community, warts and all; I didn't think it highlighted "Asian crime", I thought it highlighted all the things that were happening that may be of interest to them.

I suppose it depends what you're looking for........

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So do people believe this was a racist attack because people of two ethnic backgrounds were involved, in which case wasn't the victim's planned attack on an asian youth in a 1on1 fight a racist attack?
Or is it because a white boy was the victime, or is it because there were more asians than whites?

I ask because I've yet to see anything which suggests it was a racially motivated attack.

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Seems this thread has been hijacked again to turn it into a racist v non racist diatribe.

I thnk the point of the OP was the news of the attack was not reported accurately not not reported at all.

Lets see:

White beats up white = assault
Black beats up black = assault
Asian beats up asian = assault
Asian beats up white = assault
White beats up asian = racially aggravated assault.

:rolleyes:

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erm, as pointed out earlier, the initial attack was reported in the local and national media, then the judge placed reporting restrictions on the case, and then when the verdict (and later, the sentences) was announced, it was again reported in the local and national media.

Must be a new definition of "not reported at all" I hadn't come across before..........

Please remember, the original source of this thread was from a site who also alleged ballot rigging due to unsealed ballot boxes, when the supposed photographic evidence showed it was 90 minutes after the count had started (and in case anyone cries "off-topic", surely the provenance of the original allegation has relevance to the thread).

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Incorrect..the original source was from...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

And stop going off topic foreverwar with your hate for the BNP..i am sick of you going on about them like they are a parasite party...they are a legitimate party...get over it.

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Just because they're a legitimate party doesn't mean that they aren't also parasites on society...

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So there parasite to 'some' people..get over it. There is no need to keep going on about it.

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Well, it's a valid opinion, which we're allowed to express. Just, in fact, as the BNP are allowed to express theirs.

However, my opinion is that the BNP are a bigotted, extreme right-wing, racist group of people, who keep populating their website with these stories in an attempt to prove that white Britons are routinely discriminated against because of the colour of their skin. As a result, my opinion is also that the BNP are morons.

They'd disagree with this, but freedom of speech and expression are two of the things that make this country great. The BNP isn't...

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Not only the BNP would disagree with that.

I'm trying to think of some more things that make this country great... The benefits system, the NHS, our Police, our armed forces, our great British TV, Football, British Politics, The Royal Family, our justice system, education, the great British public, our great British transport, freedom to speak our minds without fear, and finally, our great sense of humour, and don't we need it! There must be many more things that make Great Britain GREAT. :tu:

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Once again, you cherry-pick parts of things that support your viewpoint, and ignore any salient information that may contradict it - strange, really, since you posted the OP.

:erm:, your original quote at the top of the OP, without a link
was from the BNP website ( http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/05/nation...tencing-story/ - link provided later in the thread by JohnHorb) - you then also provided a link to the Daily Hate.

btw, I don't hate the BNP - I merely strongly dislike their xenophobic attitudes and their peurile, inaccurate attempts to stir up tension and hate.

It obviously strongly upsets you when people bring facts and reason into a discussion - ah well............. ;)