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I wanted to know how to go about telling Virgin Media of someone using an illegal box to view all their channels. What information do I need to give them and how, as I dont think its fair that he can view all the channels for free and I have to pay for them.

I want to remain anonymous, when reporting them.

Thanks

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If you want to grass your neighbour, you should have the courage to face him after that, otherwise you are worse than him!

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If he is stealing cable ring VM and tell them, and as regards grassing your neighbour, Id have absolutely no qualms about it. I'm not going to go into all the negatives of cable thief's as its already been done on other threads, suffice to say the thieves have a detrimental effect on an already over-loaded network, so shop the thief.:redcard:

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he must be as he wants to report em lol

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I DON'T have anything against that guy, its just because hes stealing cable service.

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Ok. Was just for my own curiosity TBH.

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Or maybe it's just jealousy? He can steal, but you can't?

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lol, if I wanted it, i can get it easily, but i dont want to steal from cable companies. ;)

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You know that saying: Live and let live?

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Are you saying this because you have an illegal box yourself???

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why would I want to watch crappy Virgin TV? I have foreign satellite, 100 times better than what you can get from Branson/Sky.....;)

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Anyways ill be giving VM a call. Let them know whats going on, on my road. :p::D

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did don 1 get one done ?:confused:

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Ignore the pointless digs from others the forum, if you choose to report someone annonymously then that's up to you - if there was anything wrong in doing that then I'm sure Crimestoppers would have wound down a long time ago.

My advice would be to send VM a recorded delivery letter if you feel strong enough about someone using services without paying for them.

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What a moronic statement!

Why should somebody put themselves, and possibly their family at odds with someone who is prepared to steal cable services.

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If you didn't have a cable box with VM, I dont think this thread would exists. It feels to me that you're only doing it for the selfish satisfaction.

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Perhaps the selfish satisfaction of knowing that a crime has been stopped? :dozey:

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I'll sleep safer tonight knowing that another free cable user is in jail.

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I would agree, but only if the OP carried on informing the authorities of other crimes, not just his neighbours free TV.

For instance, there are other crimes going on, maybe he could take a trip to my local market where anybody can pick up four pirated movies for a tenner and a pair of snide Nike trainers and other clothing for a quarter of the price the originals sell for.

Or why not just join a forum where members are dedicated to downloading copyright material, films, music, tv, software and illegal pornography etc... and gather enough infomation to inform the authorities? I can't see him doing that though, can you?

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So it's "all or nothing", rather than the "one step at a time" philosophy?

I have stopped people breaking into someone's car, because I was passing at the time - but I don't drive around looking for crimes to prevent; according to you, I shouldn't have intervened, since I am not prepared to stop all crime.

Further to that, why should doctors and hospitals help sick people - they are all going to die in the end (this is just an example to show how using extremes doesn't really validate propositions ;))

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OK, let's say that Don_1 has just found out that one or two of his family members and a couple of his friends have dodgy cable boxes just like his neighbour. Would he be as quick to inform the authorities?

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Again, you are trying to find a reason why he shouldn't do something - isn't it better that something is done, rather than find reasons why not?

We can always find some examples which will make someone look bad - shouldn't we be looking for examples that help?

It would appear you are trying to provide a reason for why this person should do something that is perfectly reasonable.

Trying to make it black/white is along the same lines as stating that you know someone that was killed in a car accident, so you wouldn't get in a car - it's not that simple (as I am sure you know, but hey, why not let a philosophical nit-picking exercise stop someone reporting a crime).

btw, rather than having to justify why he should perform this act, why not give reasons why he shouldn't?

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He doesn't have to do what you want, Enuff. He's reporting a cable thief for his own reasons, and you can't do anything about it.

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If the OP does write a letter, lets hope Virgin address the reply to the right house, or there could be trouble...

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So why not inform on the criminals that could easily provide you with free TV?

I'm trying to make sense of why Don_1 or anyone for that matter, finds it ok to inform on one certain person in particular?. I feel that the reason behind Don_1s' decision, is because of jealousy and selfishness.

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VM won't do anything anyway!

There have been a few of these threads yet nobody has ever come back and said what the outcome ever was, if they can find out that someone is using a chipped box then no doubt they would soon find out if that person was caught!!

At the end of the day if the person stealing cable is stupid enough to brag about it then more fool them, if it was me i would have kept my mouth shut and not told a living sole.

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I like your avatar ;) what is that all about?

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Yes, like I have said before, there's really no incentive for Virgin to go after individual users in this way. Even if you do phone in a tip, Virgin would have to invest considerable man-power in investigating the accusation. They can't just turn someone's cable off without proof, and if that person has a minimum subscription, maybe even broadband and phone, there's absolutely no reason for them to do anything about it. The only thing that makes sense to them is to go after people who make money selling hardware and services associated with cable piracy, or to do global hits through the encryption system, like they did a few weeks ago. There was a recent article somewhere about an Irish(?) trader, who had been prosecuted for selling pirate boxes, but that same article also said that the cable companies had never succesfully prosecuted any individual users. Even if they try, getting a conviction, even to the extent of a fine, is extremely difficult.

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i second that.

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pmpl

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yeah & they just stopped cuz you said so hay lol

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i highly doubt that he would.

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watch out kpanchev, don_1 will be reporting you next lol

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No, they stopped because I got out of my car and chased them off - it's called being a responsible citizen, and caring about what happens; if we don't discourage crime, it's seen as OK, and then we (imho) descend into anarchy - it's up to (again, imho) each and every one of us to do our bit, rather than leave it to "someone else".

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lol yeah rite

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And some would class it as being irresponsible, even stupid.

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As if I am bothered that you believe me................;)

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Stealing a car is a serious criminal offence, stealing cable is not. Do you also chase iPod users in public, who listen to illegally downloaded MP3s? Do you phone in number plates of other cars speeding, or are you going too fast yourself to see them?

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good cuz i dont. what probably happened was he filled you in :o)

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Obviously a new definition of "irresponsible" I hadn't come across before - stopping damage and theft of someone else's property.....

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Excellent - both our sleep will be undisturbed tonight then. ;)

re the filled in - yes, that's right, a couple of 5 foot 6 skinny chavs stood up to a 6 foot 15 stone Jock who luckily had a large Magilite torch in his car.

You appear to judge others by your own behaviours - that's a shame. :p:

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erm no i dont so plz dont put words in my mouth.

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haha nice1 i like it :o)

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Again with the extremes - we are talking about someone stealing cable, which is a criminal offence.

Should he report it - Yes.

You are obviously entitled to your view that a criminal offence should not be reported, just as I am that it should. :)

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stealing a car & stealing cable are two different ball games, however both are illegal.

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haha maybe he had a death wish hay roflmao

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"Stealing" cable is comparable to stealing music in the form of MP3s. Probably even less serious than that. It's not even in the same league as stealing a car or even speeding, so if you're so concerned about "doing the right thing", why don't you go through the iPods of your friends and family. I bet you'll find at least a few people worth turning in, don't you?

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Are you scared?

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haha nice

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Garry Newlove tried the same thing, and look how that turned out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/7101912.stm

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agreed

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:rolleyes:

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Of what?

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getting filled in.

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Well you seem to be nit picking on the subject that people are reporting other people because they are stealing cable, which rightly they can and will do as it is illegal. Are you scared because you are stealing cable and someone might report you? If not then I really dont understand your point on the whole subject (and not just you). And dont come back about mp3's, we are talking about cable.

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I'm not so much nitpicking as exposing what I perceive as pettiness and hypocrisy.

I don't have cable at all, but if I were stealing such a service, I wouldn't be worried about being reported, as it's quite clear that it's not something the legal system or even the cable companies themselves are willing to do much about.

What's not to understand? I'm just sifting through the contradictions and adding a little realistic perspective to all this.

Yes, and all the morality-pushers are afraid to answer the MP3 or speeding question, which is a relevant point, when someone argues for reporting neighbours as a "greater good" act.

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this is getting out of hand now. carm down ppl.

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I'm not making any kind of angry point, but it's quite clear that most people aren't consistent with their supposed "stealing is stealing" policies, and that's the very definition of hypocrisy.

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I still think your scared, but then thats my personal opinion on the matter. Stealing cable is theft, it can also have an affect to other peoples accounts. I have to ask why you feel you have to comment in the way you do about someone reporting someone for stealing cable. Where would you draw the line, obviously someone in this thread would not stop people trying to break into cars, would you go this far.

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Stealing is stealing. Thats why my DVD collection are all originals, but thats getting away from the point of why your here because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable.

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What would I be scared of? Like I said, I don't have cable, and as far as I know, there are no illegal boxes available for Sky, and even if I were stealing cable or sat, there's no evidence of anyone ever having been successfully prosecuted for such a thing, only for selling such services and hardware.

So you say, but there's also no evidence of this being a significant problem, certainly not as big a problem as Virgin's own accounting mistakes and methods, some of which could arguably be considered illegal themselves. Still, I agree that it's technically theft, but it's no more serious than "stealing" MP3s or speeding, "crimes" which most people around here commit on a daily basis.

It's a public forum, and I find the subject interesting. Do you have a problem with the way I comment?

We can all get on board with the idea that stealing a car is a serious crime. Most people would be consistent enough to even stop friends and family, if they caught them doing such a thing.

I don't understand the question?

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You seem to have a chip on your shoulder because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable. Its theft, why do you have a problem with this, we have been all over this before, Im not going to get into an argument about it, I just want to know why you have this chip, I cant be the only one to see it. Why do you need to compare things? If someone is stealing cable, then why shouldnt they be reported.

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I'd rather steal cable and give the money to the poor instead.

Virgin trying to cut people of is actually causing poor people to suffer.

A disgrace!

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You misunderstand. I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders, I just find it curious why someone might have such a chip on his shoulder about this particular "crime", but will turn a blind eye to equally or far more severe offences. If people are consistent across the board, and take an equally dim view on cable and MP3 theft, it would be a different matter. I wonder why you would take issue with me trying to bring a balanced perspective to the discussion, and why you and others keep claiming "theft is theft" while dodging the MP3 question? Isn't that theft too?

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I scoff at your attempts to justify stealing cable, children.

*SCOFF*

You're relying on others to pay for your service. Without paying customers, Virgin wouldn't be providing TV in the first place. If you steal cable, it puts extra strain on VM's network, regardless of whether it can handle it or not, and this translates as increased prices for legitimate customers. This doesn't happen with Music or other copyrighted material, so why compare the two. Clutching at straws?

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lol

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it would seem that way wouldnt it.

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I have dodged no MP3 question, I answered that last time we had this debate. Why the need to bring it in again, someone is stealing cable, that is theft and someone is going to report it, that someone has (as far as Im aware) never said anything about MP3's anyway, so his view on that has not been aired.

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gotta agree with him on this one.

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If you actually read up on this subject, it's quite clear that Virgin make a lot of money off people who maintain a minimum subscription, and maybe even take broadband and phone services with them, and then leech the premium channels. The cable TV issue is so insignificant that Virgin were at one stage considering throwing in their TV package for free to people who took their other services, which is where they make their money.

Music theft is arguably a more costly "crime" than stealing cable, and it's an offence that has been prosecuted numerous times in courts of law across the world. This isn't really the case for cable theft.

Just trying to see if the "theft is theft" argument holds up. So far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

I must have missed your answer, then. So you're in favor of reporting 95% of all iPod owners to the authorities, including any friends and family members you might know, who listen to illegal MP3s?

Exactly. I would be curious to hear his view on it, though. That's somewhat the point here.

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Im not going through it for the third time. Stealing cable is theft, someone is going to report it, whats your problem here? Ok someone might be a hypocrite, its still illegal and still going to get reported.

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I refer you to a previous post in this thread where I said the following:

"I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders..."

You still seem to be under the impression that I don't think it's theft, or that he shouldn't report it. I can't really continue the discussion on the basis of such a falsity.

Yes, and I am curious to know if he would also report MP3 theft, speeding and other crimes, if friends and family were involved. Do you mind me trying to understand the mentality of people like that?

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You will get an answer of yes he would report them or no he wouldnt, which the answer no is what your looking for. If it is a no, it makes him a hypocrite, so what, he is still reporting a theft. This thread is about cable, not MP3's.

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I once again fail to see which point you're trying to make. Again, it seems to be one based on a misunderstanding about my motives here. Slightly OT question: Was it you who also called me a cable thief in the Chipped Boxes thread recently? I don't mind, I just seem to remember someone doing that, after I had already denounced Virgin's crappy service altogether, and stated that I was a sat guy.

It's about someone wanting to report someone else for "theft". I am curious about the motivation behind it all. Is that ok?

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The audio track on Virgin's digital cable service is MP3, which is why I think the issue is relevant to other forms of MP3 "theft". Should I consider this an official moderator request to drop the issue, though, or in light of MP3 in fact being relevant to the subject, can we continue discussing the motivation behind this?

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Yes.

From experience if this goes off towards mp3 theft then we'll be moving on to what the law actually states about music, copyright business etc, price of music shouldn't be so high, DRM etc.

Threads like that always get contentious and I don't know how many other mods are on this evening but I don't fancy handling it on my own.

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Fair enough.

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Eh?How can you say that?:confused:

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I've just read this entire thread and I'm astounded.

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I also bet they are the ones who habitually claim that the police do nothing about crime.Well yes of course they don't IF NO ONE TELLS THEM A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED and that would be grassing wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

That attitude is frankly moronic.

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I couldn't agree more Icognitas, how on earth is anything going to get better if nobody is prepared to do anything. And to fall back on the "I'm not a grass" excuse is as you say moronic, I would have thought that would have been left in the playground or the exercise yard where it belongs.

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Its illegal, its theft, thats the motivation of reporting someone.

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FFS. The bloke is stealing, that is why it is ok to inform.

Theft is theft. Stealing a car is important to the person who owns the said car. Stealing cable is important to the cable company. No one is worse than the other and should be treated equally.

So we all turn a blind eye to crime and watch the UK slide into a more squalid state than it already is.

Stealing is stealing and making light of it only goes to aid the criminals. I would like to see the likes of Enuff and Supremus get robbed and then be forced to watch as all the witnesses say nothing.

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Well said.


Its theft pure and simple and theft needs to be dealt with.

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When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

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It makes someone a hypocrite, so what, its still illegal.

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Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

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Ive never understood this, you sign out and dont come back.

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Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.:rolleyes:

Too many people feel alone and lost in a society that seems to have given up and accept reprehensible behaviour as the norm because it isn't much of a crime.

There are too many such crimes joining the list.Like shoplifting...only the big firms are affected and it's a victimless crime.However you and I are the victims because the big business's just put 10p onto the cost of their products to cover their rising insurance premiums.All those 10p will eventually add up to millions that you,I and everyone else pays extra across the board.

The truth is there is NO such crime as a victimless crime.Someone somewhere has to pay.I'd rather it was the crook who does the paying.

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Information is still stored, if i so choose to terminate any account then i reserve the right to do so, there is no need for a slanging match about it. Excuse me if i have gone about it in the wrong manner i'm sure a mod or admin will corret me!

EDIT: Thank you Russ for providing me with the information needed to help me.

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Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal. :rolleyes:

This has always been a basic rule of society, though. That's never going to change.

I think we're getting into very different issues here. The reality is that you can phone Virgin and report someone stealing cable, and find that they aren't particularly interested. Best case scenario, they will put that particular line on the list to be disconnected whenever they have a tech in the area anyway, but if it's someone who already has a minimum subscription, even phone and broadband, it's unlikely that they will do anything at all.

That's not going to happen, though. Only in very rare circumstances will the cable companies try to prosecute individual offenders, and if the supposed victim can't even be bothered, I'd say that's about as close to the definition of victimless crime as you're ever going to get.

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Are you playing hard to get or what? So downloading MP3's is illegal to, so what, if a certain person reports theft of cable and not theft of MP3's, it might make them a hypocrite, so what? They are still reporting an illegal crime at the end of the day, which is all that matters. Some people might agree or disagree with certain laws, so what? Might make them a hypocrite, so what? An illegal theft has still been reported.

We have been told to stay of the issue of MP3's, so you sitting there all night typing "Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal." is not getting us anywhere, I know you never, I never said you did. As we are not supposed to go of topic, he has or wants to report a theft, what more is there to it.

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good point.

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iv worked in shops & they just claim it back from their insurance.

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:rolleyes:

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Im going to report BOTH of them on Monday...

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Oh brilliant reply there, well done.

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What do you mean?

As I have already explained to you, I'm interested in the motivation and apparent hypocrisy behind how someone might decide to report one type of perceived crime and ignore another. I'm still not sure why this seems to have rattled your cage, or indeed what exactly you're hoping to achieve here, since you clearly have no interest in the complexities of the issue, and just seem irked by the fact that I do. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not content to just sit and throw out completely meaningless phrases like "theft is theft" all night, and instead choose to take a more critical and realistic look at the issue at hand, to the extent possible within the mods' requested constraints, of course.

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Look, this is easy. He is reporting a crime, do you get that? He might not think that the copyright law is a good enough law to report, hypocrite? Maybe, so what? Its all subjective anyway, as he has not aired his views on the off topic point. I dont see what more there is to discuss about him reporting a crime, wether you think he should report every crime or not.

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I've never suggested I didn't get that.

We don't know if that is the case or not, hence my inquiry. Is that ok, or are you suggesting that we turn this into a statement forum rather than a discussion one? We could have exciting threads like "theft is theft", which would be closed after the initial post, of course, as the subject doesn't warrant discussion.

Again, you'll have to forgive me if I don't adhere to your instructions for when a given subject has been exhausted or not. I'm still interested why someone would take such an aggressive view on as minor an offence as cable theft, and ignore, or perhaps even commit more serious ones themselves.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

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But we have been through this before on a similar thread and it went no where. The whole point was the people were coming on and posting they had been getting cable illegally, which some of us said is not on, for the fact that not only is it illegal, but this is a forum built on the basis of helping people who have cable, its down right silly and rude to come on and tell people you are getting it free.

Anyway, back to the point. This thread is about illegal cable boxes and the original poster wanting to report someone for it and rightly so, how then is a discussion born from illegal cable boxes to wanting to know what other crimes the OP is willing to report. In my opinion, there is more of a motive than just wanting to know what other crimes he would report and to be honest, I dont see what it has to do with the topic at all.

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Why are some people here saying that VM couldnt care less if people are stealing their service? I know most pay the minimum subscription, but still...

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To be fair its because the signal is always on..only thing the boxes do is descramble the channels..the bandwith is already being used by VM constantly sending the signal down...so its really no loss to them if someone uses illegal boxes and what not, par from PPV/Filmflex etc.

It's when you get people who have multiple boxes etc that it caues problems.

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In the case of people who pay the minimum subscription, and particularly if they take phone and broadband as well, Virgin are actually making more money than they're losing, which is negligible. Some people will claim Virgin are losing money whenever a pirate watches, say a premium movie channel, but this simply isn't true, as this is not something the person in question would have paid for in the first place anyway, and there is no significant drain on network bandwidth. They're just watching it for free, because they can.

In the case of complete free-loaders, people who take no services, but just leech of a previously installed line, there is a small incentive for Virgin to disconnect those in oversubscribed areas, but only in very rare cases will they bother prosecuting someone like that. Partly because it isn't likely to be a winning outcome for them, but also because it just costs too much to investigate the claim and take the appropriate legal action.

The main reason cable companies take any kind of action, like we have seen them do recently through the encryption system, is that they are contractually obligated to provide a reasonable level of protection for their content, as demanded by their content providers. Also, if piracy gets past a certain point, it would most likely cost them, so it's really all about finding the right balance, so the numbers add up. At the end of the day, it's not a morality issue for them, it's a money issue, and if they can get £15-20 pounds a month, or however much their basic package is, that's going to be a lot more profitable for them than getting £0 by disconnecting someone with an illegal box and other services.

Anyway, let us know how you get on.

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i wasnt condoning it im just saying that they claim it back so it doesnt cost them a penny.

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maybe cuz he's guilty of downloading illegal torrents.

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erm thats not the whole story, yes the signal is always on but if someone has a dodgy connection then it messes everyone elses signals levels up.

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When ANYONE claims from the insurance their future premiums go UP.The company concerned passes this increase onto the customers so when a crime is committed the customer ends up paying for it.There are NO victimless crimes.

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still it doesnt make it right tho does it, erm no.

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I wasnt talking about that, I was talking about your reply to me with your roll eyes smiley.

Also I think you will it will most likely cost them a penny as insurance costs will rise.

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i didnt say that it was victimless however shops are insured to the hills, dont kid yourself.

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see my reply to Incognitas above.